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Toni

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:57 pm
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"Stefan Reuther"

And u r still biggest fist at da pool after Tim.
I will respect u now and tomorrow.
U have done fine good job with researching on files.
Thnk u for that !

-Toni

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Ingo von Borstel

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:31 am
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Hi,

> No i dont got time to learn phost Sad((

Okay, then, you might give it a try. Instead of complaining about VGAP
and its limitations you might want to check out what IS possible
nowadays with a decently set up game. Go, try e.g. a plist game at
planetsserver.com or rcworld.de or circus-maximus.com, and win that with
the "build cheap ships" strategy. Still, the ship limit will hit at
turns ~25-35, but you'll be screwed, if you haven't build a fleet of
_decent_ ships till then.
Also there is not much to learn, the differences between phost and thost
are mostly subtleties .

But if you play with a more expensive ship list and a rarer universe the
tactics you describe become so much less effective.

Regards,
Ingo

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Stefan Reuther

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:57 pm
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Toni wrote:
> "Stefan Reuther"
>>Toni wrote:
>>
>>>>But it still won't give you cloaking,
>>>>imperial assault, hyperjumping, anti-cloak, and all the other goodies.
>>>>And it won't turn that two-beams-one-tube scout into a Battle Star.
>
> No, but after recycle, i cant turn them, lets say Nova's, Kittyhawks and
> Lokis ?

That's expensive in time, which you probably don't have if your enemy
lives next door.

>>If someone manages to take the time to build 50
>>Eros and 50 Bohemian (how long would that take again?), temperate all
>>his planets (how long?),
[...]
> And terraforming planets with that kinda terraforming 'army'
> All planets u want to terraformed is done quicly eh ?

The point is: each of these tactics alone may be quick and easy to
perform. In reality, you have too much to do to focus on a single tactic.

Last example: when testing a fleet combat system, I tried to build a
fleet of, say, 20 K'T'Inga (IIRC the equivalent to the D7), and try how
well they performs against a big guy when fighting as a group. I didn't
manage to get these 20 K'T at one place, simply because my neighbours
and even simple day-to-day jobs kept me busy to spend one here, build a
freighter inbetween, sweep there, etc.

> Current game yes, they are doing that, now 4 player.
> So number is rising... And i will join them, unless that is forbidden
> by host and/or good manner.

I do not doubt that building huge piles of ships can make you win by
some definitions of winning. "Most ships in turn 60" can be one such
definition Smile But then it's the task of the other players to use the
weak spots. E.g. many junk ships -> many undefended planets.

Probably PHost's build queue makes a big difference to Tim's host, too.
Tim's round-robin queue allows you to enqueue junk ships "just in case
the build queue hits me this turn". PHost penalizes that, because every
change to the build order resets it back to the end.


Stefan
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Toni

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:58 pm
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"Stefan Reuther"

> Probably PHost's build queue makes a big difference to Tim's host, too.
> Tim's round-robin queue allows you to enqueue junk ships "just in case
> the build queue hits me this turn". PHost penalizes that, because every
> change to the build order resets it back to the end.

penalizes ? what kinda penalties are we talking bout ?
(link plz)

-Toni
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Heiko Schlenker

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:13 pm
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* Toni <toni.lindholm.TakeThisOut@saunalahti_poista_REMOVE_.fi> wrote:

> "Stefan Reuther"
>
>> Probably PHost's build queue makes a big difference to Tim's host, too.
>> Tim's round-robin queue allows you to enqueue junk ships "just in case
>> the build queue hits me this turn". PHost penalizes that, because every
>> change to the build order resets it back to the end.
>
> penalizes ? what kinda penalties are we talking bout ?
> (link plz)

http://www.phost.de/phost4doc/buildq.html#basics -> "Changing Build Orders"

Regards, Heiko
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