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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:35 pm
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On 13 Apr 2006 20:41:17 -0700, nesstar.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
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>Nyctolops wrote:
>> I did some more looking and found that the real name of my sound card
>> is Creative SB16 PnP. The Vibra16 is just the name of the DOS sound
>> system. I also found that the card has three systems on it: DOS
>> sound, Windows sound and Windows record. Figuring that I only needed
>> the DOS sound part, I removed the ctcm references and loaded only the
>> Vibra16 parts.
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>My suggestion: Keep the reference to CTCM.EXE, but remove all else.
>
>Also, on my PC my DOS configure has a SET BLASTER= line that defines
>the environment (SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 T5 etc...) Keep that as well
>if you have such a line.
>
>Then again, the DOS that comes with Win98 may not work the same as DOS
>6.22. I know that with my PC all I need is for my Autoexec.bat to
>contain LH=C:\DOS\CTCM.EXE and the SET BLASTER line and I'm all set.
I believe that the Win98 DOS version is 7.0, but the basics may not
have changed all that much. Thank you for your suggestion. I will
try it tonight and let you know what happens.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:52 am
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:35:32 -0600, Nyctolops
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>On 13 Apr 2006 20:41:17 -0700, nesstar DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
>>My suggestion: Keep the reference to CTCM.EXE, but remove all else.
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>>Also, on my PC my DOS configure has a SET BLASTER= line that defines
>>the environment (SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 T5 etc...) Keep that as well
>>if you have such a line.
>>
>>Then again, the DOS that comes with Win98 may not work the same as DOS
>>6.22. I know that with my PC all I need is for my Autoexec.bat to
>>contain LH=C:\DOS\CTCM.EXE and the SET BLASTER line and I'm all set.
>
>I believe that the Win98 DOS version is 7.0, but the basics may not
>have changed all that much. Thank you for your suggestion. I will
>try it tonight and let you know what happens.
I tried your version and several variations on it, as DOS 6.22 needs
SET SOUND and SET MIDI lines for the sound to work. It either skips
the sound system altogether, as when I took out the DEVICEHIGH
C:\CTCM\CTCM.EXE line from the config.sys file, or it hangs. The most
common problem is when I start from the boot card, I see all the usual
startup messages up to the point where the sound card is identified,
then the system just hangs at that line and won't go any farther, no
matter how long I wait.
On the other hand, I made a very simple boot disk that doesn't
reference the sound card at all and have been playing in silent mode.
My character managed to get out of the sewers and into town and he has
been running errands and has made one dungeon trip so far. One thing
that puzzles me is that two NPCs have said that they marked the Castle
for me on my map, but no Castle ID shows up. One question: on the
Continental Map, what is the first symbol for? I know that the horse
is fast travel, as I used it to get back to town from my dungeon
crawl, but I don't know what the first one is.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:20 pm
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Nyctolops <nyctolops DeleteThis @vla.nospam.com> looked up from reading the entrails
of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:35:32 -0600, Nyctolops
><nyctolops DeleteThis @vla.nospam.com> wrote:
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>>On 13 Apr 2006 20:41:17 -0700, nesstar DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
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>>>My suggestion: Keep the reference to CTCM.EXE, but remove all else.
>>>
>>>Also, on my PC my DOS configure has a SET BLASTER= line that defines
>>>the environment (SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 T5 etc...) Keep that as well
>>>if you have such a line.
>>>
>>>Then again, the DOS that comes with Win98 may not work the same as DOS
>>>6.22. I know that with my PC all I need is for my Autoexec.bat to
>>>contain LH=C:\DOS\CTCM.EXE and the SET BLASTER line and I'm all set.
>>
>>I believe that the Win98 DOS version is 7.0, but the basics may not
>>have changed all that much. Thank you for your suggestion. I will
>>try it tonight and let you know what happens.
From the game's point of view there's no difference between 6.22 and
7.0.
>I tried your version and several variations on it, as DOS 6.22 needs
>SET SOUND and SET MIDI lines for the sound to work. It either skips
>the sound system altogether, as when I took out the DEVICEHIGH
>C:\CTCM\CTCM.EXE line from the config.sys file, or it hangs. The most
>common problem is when I start from the boot card, I see all the usual
>startup messages up to the point where the sound card is identified,
>then the system just hangs at that line and won't go any farther, no
>matter how long I wait.
A distant memory asks is there a file called Diagnose.exe?
If so, run it before playing the game (or picking the sound option in
Arena.).
I distantly recall that some of the early plug and play, no-jumper,
really-designed-just-for-windows cards had to be woken up in Dos and
that's the program that tests it and wakes it up.
>On the other hand, I made a very simple boot disk that doesn't
>reference the sound card at all and have been playing in silent mode.
>My character managed to get out of the sewers and into town and he has
>been running errands and has made one dungeon trip so far. One thing
>that puzzles me is that two NPCs have said that they marked the Castle
>for me on my map, but no Castle ID shows up. One question: on the
>Continental Map, what is the first symbol for? I know that the horse
>is fast travel, as I used it to get back to town from my dungeon
>crawl, but I don't know what the first one is.
Which castle?
If I remember correctly Arena had two methods of fast travel - safe and
risky; Safe stays in Inns at night (and costs money), Risky camps out
and is free, but carries the risk of being attacked during the journey.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:39 pm
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Nyctolops wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:35:32 -0600, Nyctolops
> <nyctolops.TakeThisOut@vla.nospam.com> wrote:
> been running errands and has made one dungeon trip so far. One thing
> that puzzles me is that two NPCs have said that they marked the Castle
> for me on my map, but no Castle ID shows up. One question: on the
> Continental Map, what is the first symbol for? I know that the horse
> is fast travel, as I used it to get back to town from my dungeon
> crawl, but I don't know what the first one is.
I believe the first icon is a location lookup, but I could be
misremembering. There's only one mode of Fast Travel though.
Now as for the castle, it's gonna be one of the castle icons on your
fast-travel map IIRC. Run your mouse all over them and see their
names. Also, just because they marked it may not necessarily mean its
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:25 pm
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:20:44 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll.TakeThisOut@kingston.net>
wrote:
>Nyctolops <nyctolops.TakeThisOut@vla.nospam.com> looked up from reading the entrails
>of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
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>>I tried your version and several variations on it, as DOS 6.22 needs
>>SET SOUND and SET MIDI lines for the sound to work. It either skips
>>the sound system altogether, as when I took out the DEVICEHIGH
>>C:\CTCM\CTCM.EXE line from the config.sys file, or it hangs. The most
>>common problem is when I start from the boot card, I see all the usual
>>startup messages up to the point where the sound card is identified,
>>then the system just hangs at that line and won't go any farther, no
>>matter how long I wait.
>
>A distant memory asks is there a file called Diagnose.exe?
>If so, run it before playing the game (or picking the sound option in
>Arena.).
There is a command C:\VIBRA16\DIAGNOSE /S which is the first thing
after the SET commands in the autoexec.bat. I have included it as one
of the LH commands. I'll look to see if there is DIAGNOSE.EXE. If
there is I will load it as a DEVICEHIGH in the config.sys.
>I distantly recall that some of the early plug and play, no-jumper,
>really-designed-just-for-windows cards had to be woken up in Dos and
>that's the program that tests it and wakes it up.
From the directions in the manual, I get the impression that this card
was designed for Win95, but would work with DOS and Win3.1.
>>On the other hand, I made a very simple boot disk that doesn't
>>reference the sound card at all and have been playing in silent mode.
>>My character managed to get out of the sewers and into town and he has
>>been running errands and has made one dungeon trip so far. One thing
>>that puzzles me is that two NPCs have said that they marked the Castle
>>for me on my map, but no Castle ID shows up. One question: on the
>>Continental Map, what is the first symbol for? I know that the horse
>>is fast travel, as I used it to get back to town from my dungeon
>>crawl, but I don't know what the first one is.
>
>Which castle?
The one in Rock Springs, which is where Maldrin found himself after he
escaped from the sewers.
>If I remember correctly Arena had two methods of fast travel - safe and
>risky; Safe stays in Inns at night (and costs money), Risky camps out
>and is free, but carries the risk of being attacked during the journey.
>
I guess I have nothing to lose by just clicking on the icon after
saving to see what it does. I can't make out what the icon is, or I
might be able to guess at it.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:28 pm
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On 14 Apr 2006 20:39:32 -0700, nesstar.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
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>Nyctolops wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:35:32 -0600, Nyctolops
>> <nyctolops.DeleteThis@vla.nospam.com> wrote:
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>> been running errands and has made one dungeon trip so far. One thing
>> that puzzles me is that two NPCs have said that they marked the Castle
>> for me on my map, but no Castle ID shows up. One question: on the
>> Continental Map, what is the first symbol for? I know that the horse
>> is fast travel, as I used it to get back to town from my dungeon
>> crawl, but I don't know what the first one is.
>
>I believe the first icon is a location lookup, but I could be
>misremembering. There's only one mode of Fast Travel though.
>
>Now as for the castle, it's gonna be one of the castle icons on your
>fast-travel map IIRC. Run your mouse all over them and see their
>names. Also, just because they marked it may not necessarily mean its
>within your current province.
Oh, OK. I just asked the NPCs in town the Where Is? question and the
word Castle appeared, so I asked about it. I read in the manual that
the local castles were good places to get information and possibly
quests.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:55 am
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Nyctolops wrote:
> Oh, OK. I just asked the NPCs in town the Where Is? question and the
> word Castle appeared, so I asked about it. I read in the manual that
> the local castles were good places to get information and possibly
> quests.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:45 pm
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:02 am
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:24:41 GMT, Richard VanHouten
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>Nyctolops wrote:
>> Oh, OK. I just asked the NPCs in town the Where Is? question and the
>> word Castle appeared, so I asked about it. I read in the manual that
>> the local castles were good places to get information and possibly
>> quests.
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>The castles are along the edge of the town map, usually in one corner.
I am sure that I will find it eventually and it may actually be
referred to as the Palace rather than the Castle. I need to do more
dungeon crawling and build up my gold, so I can identify the magical
items I have found. I am not eager to start the Main Quest until I
have at least a complete set of armor and know what I have in the
enchanted items department.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:04 am
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:25:21 -0600, Nyctolops
<nyctolops RemoveThis @vla.nospam.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:20:44 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll RemoveThis @kingston.net>
>wrote:
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>>Nyctolops <nyctolops RemoveThis @vla.nospam.com> looked up from reading the entrails
>>of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>
>
>>>I tried your version and several variations on it, as DOS 6.22 needs
>>>SET SOUND and SET MIDI lines for the sound to work. It either skips
>>>the sound system altogether, as when I took out the DEVICEHIGH
>>>C:\CTCM\CTCM.EXE line from the config.sys file, or it hangs. The most
>>>common problem is when I start from the boot card, I see all the usual
>>>startup messages up to the point where the sound card is identified,
>>>then the system just hangs at that line and won't go any farther, no
>>>matter how long I wait.
>>
>>A distant memory asks is there a file called Diagnose.exe?
>>If so, run it before playing the game (or picking the sound option in
>>Arena.).
>
>There is a command C:\VIBRA16\DIAGNOSE /S which is the first thing
>after the SET commands in the autoexec.bat. I have included it as one
>of the LH commands. I'll look to see if there is DIAGNOSE.EXE. If
>there is I will load it as a DEVICEHIGH in the config.sys.
>
I found the DIAGNOSE.EXE and loaded it, but it didn't solve the
problem.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:00 am
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"Nyctolops" <nyctolops.TakeThisOut@vla.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:20:44 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll.TakeThisOut@kingston.net>
> wrote:
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>>Nyctolops <nyctolops.TakeThisOut@vla.nospam.com> looked up from reading the entrails
>>of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>
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>>>I tried your version and several variations on it, as DOS 6.22 needs
>>>SET SOUND and SET MIDI lines for the sound to work. It either skips
>>>the sound system altogether, as when I took out the DEVICEHIGH
>>>C:\CTCM\CTCM.EXE line from the config.sys file, or it hangs. The most
>>>common problem is when I start from the boot card, I see all the usual
>>>startup messages up to the point where the sound card is identified,
>>>then the system just hangs at that line and won't go any farther, no
>>>matter how long I wait.
>>
Maybe an IRQ # conflict?. Usually 3, 5, 7 and 11 were available if I
remember. There should be an IRQ and corresponding memory address in the
config.sys line that loads the sound board driver. So 5, 200 translates to
Use IRQ 5 and load the driver at address 200. Maybe these are already in use
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:00 am
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 01:00:32 -0400, "Captain Heyrab"
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>"Nyctolops" <nyctolops RemoveThis @vla.nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:20:44 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll RemoveThis @kingston.net>
>> wrote:
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>>>Nyctolops <nyctolops RemoveThis @vla.nospam.com> looked up from reading the entrails
>>>of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>>
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>>>>I tried your version and several variations on it, as DOS 6.22 needs
>>>>SET SOUND and SET MIDI lines for the sound to work. It either skips
>>>>the sound system altogether, as when I took out the DEVICEHIGH
>>>>C:\CTCM\CTCM.EXE line from the config.sys file, or it hangs. The most
>>>>common problem is when I start from the boot card, I see all the usual
>>>>startup messages up to the point where the sound card is identified,
>>>>then the system just hangs at that line and won't go any farther, no
>>>>matter how long I wait.
>>>
>Maybe an IRQ # conflict?. Usually 3, 5, 7 and 11 were available if I
>remember. There should be an IRQ and corresponding memory address in the
>config.sys line that loads the sound board driver. So 5, 200 translates to
>Use IRQ 5 and load the driver at address 200. Maybe these are already in use
>and you need to try a different one.
>
The line in the config.sys reads DEVICEHIGH=C:\VIBRA16\DRV\VIBRA16.SYS
/UNIT 0 /BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6. I know that my mouse is using
IRQ 4, but I don't know if any other IRQs are being used. How do I
find out? I also know that the sound works fine when I just boot up
normally and play Daggerfall.
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:16 am
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On 15 Apr 2006 23:45:59 -0700, nesstar.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>I hate to say it, but you may simply need a different sound card.
>
>My sound card is simply an old-fashioned SB16 that plugs into the ISA
>slot, and it works fine.
I have been thinking that, too. Where would I find a old-fashioned
SB16, though?
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:31 pm
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Nyctolops <nyctolops.RemoveThis@vla.nospam.com> looked up from reading the entrails
of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:20:44 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll.RemoveThis@kingston.net>
>wrote:
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>>Nyctolops <nyctolops.RemoveThis@vla.nospam.com> looked up from reading the entrails
>>of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>
>
>>>I tried your version and several variations on it, as DOS 6.22 needs
>>>SET SOUND and SET MIDI lines for the sound to work. It either skips
>>>the sound system altogether, as when I took out the DEVICEHIGH
>>>C:\CTCM\CTCM.EXE line from the config.sys file, or it hangs. The most
>>>common problem is when I start from the boot card, I see all the usual
>>>startup messages up to the point where the sound card is identified,
>>>then the system just hangs at that line and won't go any farther, no
>>>matter how long I wait.
>>
>>A distant memory asks is there a file called Diagnose.exe?
>>If so, run it before playing the game (or picking the sound option in
>>Arena.).
>
>There is a command C:\VIBRA16\DIAGNOSE /S which is the first thing
>after the SET commands in the autoexec.bat. I have included it as one
>of the LH commands. I'll look to see if there is DIAGNOSE.EXE. If
>there is I will load it as a DEVICEHIGH in the config.sys.
That line is running it.
(don't need to have the .exe part to run the program.)
At this point, maybe you should post the contents of the config.sys and
autoexec.bat so we can see where everything is and if something crucial
is missing.
When Arena detects the card, does it use the info from the SET BLASTER
line?
You mentioned Daggerfall - what settings does it detect for the sound
card - since they seem to work?
Xocyll
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:19 pm
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> The line in the config.sys reads DEVICEHIGH=C:\VIBRA16\DRV\VIBRA16.SYS
> /UNIT 0 /BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T6. I know that my mouse is using
> IRQ 4, but I don't know if any other IRQs are being used. How do I
> find out? I also know that the sound works fine when I just boot up
> normally and play Daggerfall.
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Might try changing I5 to I7 and let Arena re-detect the card. Although, if
you already get sound in the detection program then it should be okay as-is.
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