Falcon 4 Mods V Falcon 4 Allied Force

Oh.......I see...............so the 103 patch wasn't intentionally made
to stop Aeyes pits from working...........just an accident with some
editing..................and all those posts over at FF and Frugals
with the name calling and accusations, Aeyes and Stop calling each
other out, etc......
all just figments of the imagination, right? lol!
......Right.........................................whole lotta swamp
land floatin around
here.................................................................
but...............who CARES! AF is out there, and seems to be getting
better.
So, my advice to the original poster, would be to try them both. What
would you tell him?
E-Man
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Maybe the sheep could handle you though, they can be tough little out
there on the NZ plains ya know ?

Or are they still up on the mountain with Charlton Heston ?


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Yeah I'm only having a giggle man
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Adamski wrote:
> Time to crawl out of the woodwork! No matter what C3PO says (and we
> should be glad he reads/posts here) I think that *to the end user* it
> still looks more like an upgrade than a new product. Knowing that 99%
> of the code behind it all has changed doesn't mean much if it still
> looks like an old game - and still retains bugs from the original. If
> it looks like F4 smells like F4 feels like F4 .. then it must *be* F4!

If it really were a brand new product, then they should have called it
Falcon 5.0. As they didn't, what can you say? It's an update.

Still, worth every penny in my opinion.

Si
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<ef29 DeleteThis @drexel.edu> wrote in message
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> Not knockin AF thou. I believe that, if work manages to continue
> unabated, can eventually surpass the current patches and upgrades alot
> of us are using now. And for new simmers, who never experienced the
> original, you will certainly go thru alot less madness than we did back
> in 98. Right now, us originals, sit back and laugh a little at the
> "new" guys as you learn to "dance" with AF. (Am I correct that it has
> already been patched 3 times?) We have BEEN to the mountaintop, and we
> have seen the groups rip apart, we have seen the arguements, we have
> seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. But behind our laughter, is the
> hope that this new single group, will be different than what history
> has shown us, and manage to beat the odds and make the benchmark of all
> sims!
> The simple answer? Just try em both!
> E-Man

I think what AF really needs now is a KILLER expansion that will make Allied
Force II 'the' game to own in 2006. But that will be very difficult to
achieve with all the staff that has been done my modders for FF3 etc
already.

The possibilities I can immediately think of are:

An excellent F117 expansion that allows you to fly the F117 in a truly
realistic theatre like the Gulf War with accurate avionics for the plane
etc for all of us who wish we could play our old Microprose Stealth Fighter
again!
An exciting EF2000 expansion similar to that above but with tryue avoinics
for the EF2000 (not just remodelled F16 ones)
A full detailed Tornado expansion that allows accurate nap of earth flying
at night etc with tracer fire etc all as the original Tornado game in Desret
Storm or similar!
A detailed helicopter sim like an Apache Longbow similar to the old Gunship
2000 game with AI wingmen, transport helicopters to fly and new, more
detailed low level graphics, airfields and targets etc.

Any of these would make it the game to buy for all of us I think. Any of
these would be a lot easier than a new game as most of the stuff like
campaign scenery etc has already been done by others - they would just need
to buy the rights and create the new planes. But the above would need other
things as well like slight changes to the graphic colours etc to make it
almost a new game to play instead of the same old thing.

Without this kind of forward thinking in a large way instead of rehashing
the old F4, the game is doomed as people like me get fed up with it - ten
years of gameplay is enough for anyone.

Thats what I think.

Nats
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:36:50 +0000, Simon Robbins wrote:

>Adamski wrote:
>> Time to crawl out of the woodwork! No matter what C3PO says (and we
>> should be glad he reads/posts here) I think that *to the end user* it
>> still looks more like an upgrade than a new product. Knowing that 99%
>> of the code behind it all has changed doesn't mean much if it still
>> looks like an old game - and still retains bugs from the original. If
>> it looks like F4 smells like F4 feels like F4 .. then it must *be* F4!
>
>If it really were a brand new product, then they should have called it
>Falcon 5.0. As they didn't, what can you say? It's an update.
>
>Still, worth every penny in my opinion.

Agreed on both counts! Though I think it's partly my fault for
snipping off Wadeyboy's original question (to which I was replying):

On 8 Mar 2006 13:47:46 -0800, Wadeyboy wrote:

>Oh right. I had got the impression that AF is just a more stable
>version of the old Falcon 4 with some extra graphical tweaks to the
>existing graphics engine and with the notorious bugs removed No?
>Because if that is the case, then in my opinion it's just an update
>rather than a completly new product.

Now I think of it, I really do miss all the flyable aircraft from
FF3/Cobra - particularly the Tornado - aaaah ... but that's another
thread

Adamski.
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:01:13 -0000, Nats wrote:

>I think what AF really needs now is a KILLER expansion that will make Allied
>Force II 'the' game to own in 2006.

<snip>

>The possibilities I can immediately think of are:

>A full detailed Tornado expansion that allows accurate nap of earth flying
>at night etc with tracer fire etc all as the original Tornado game in Desert
>Storm or similar!

Nurse!!!!! Where are my pills? H-e-l-p!

And ... you forgot to mention the Tornado mission planner (
Nurse, you can untie me now ...

Adamski.
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On 10 Mar 2006 05:12:23 -0800, ef29 RemoveThis @drexel.edu wrote:

>But again I will reiterate that AF, if quality work continues unabated,
>could end up being the best sim out there
In your opinion what is he best sim out there now?
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On 10 Mar 2006 06:53:46 -0800, "Genki" <dtushingham RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>They are sitting back and laughing on the top of the mountain and
>dancing.



Yep ...... that's part of the problem
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"Adamski" <anon DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On 10 Mar 2006 05:12:23 -0800, ef29 DeleteThis @drexel.edu wrote:
>
>>and all I said was none of that is in there NOW. No disrespect, but you
>>seem to forget that us old-head F4er's ALREADY have Waelti tiles and
>>Stops' pits. (AND Aeyes pits too!)
>
> that's a point ... I haven't trawled the fanboi sites for a while ...
> what happened to Aeyes and F4AF? Was there a big falling out
> somewhere?
>
> Personally I've always preferred Eric's pits to the somewhat clinical
> (IMHO) from Dr Stops - though I expect that's just a matter of taste.
> I'm just a tad concerned that someone [Aeyes] who has contributed so
> much to F4 over the years has "jumped ship". Or have I been herding
> sheep in the NZ plains for too long?
>
> Adamski.

Aeyes pits ARE the F4AF pits...
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:50:26 -0500, "HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast
dot net> wrote:

>
>"Adamski" <anon.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> On 10 Mar 2006 05:12:23 -0800, ef29.DeleteThis@drexel.edu wrote:
>>
>>>and all I said was none of that is in there NOW. No disrespect, but you
>>>seem to forget that us old-head F4er's ALREADY have Waelti tiles and
>>>Stops' pits. (AND Aeyes pits too!)
>>
>> that's a point ... I haven't trawled the fanboi sites for a while ...
>> what happened to Aeyes and F4AF? Was there a big falling out
>> somewhere?
>>
>> Personally I've always preferred Eric's pits to the somewhat clinical
>> (IMHO) from Dr Stops - though I expect that's just a matter of taste.
>> I'm just a tad concerned that someone [Aeyes] who has contributed so
>> much to F4 over the years has "jumped ship". Or have I been herding
>> sheep in the NZ plains for too long?
>>
>> Adamski.
>
>Aeyes pits ARE the F4AF pits...

True - but I thought all further pits (and add-ons) will be Stops' ...
<??>.

Adamski.
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Wow. I never thought my original post would generate such a debate! I
probably will get Allied Force at some point although for now I'll
probably try FreeFalcon. Whether you like or dislike AF, at least C3PO
cares enough to keep up with what is being said and then takes the
trouble to respond. A lot of people wouldn't bother. This shows that AF
is worth supporting if not now, then at least when more patches and
add-ons are available.
I agree with Adamski about Tornado. I used to love that game and would
love to see that updated, mission planner and all!
Thanks to all of you who responded.
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"Adamski" <anon RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>>A full detailed Tornado expansion that allows accurate nap of earth flying
>>at night etc with tracer fire etc all as the original Tornado game in
>>Desert
>>Storm or similar!
>
> Nurse!!!!! Where are my pills? H-e-l-p!
>
> And ... you forgot to mention the Tornado mission planner (
> Nurse, you can untie me now ...

Or LGBing the moving trains, or dive bombing a target from 20000 feet, or
hitting the target from differnet directions all at once, or releasing those
airfield cluster bomblets. All were brilliantly done in Tornado. God I wish
someone would bring back that depth of gameplay. It really was a golden age
for PC gaming back then.

The games I remember I used to play - M1 Tank Platoon, Gunship 2000,
Tornado, F117 Steath Fighter, EF2000, TAW, Wing Commander, Privateer,
European Air War, B17 Flying Fortress, Silent Service 2, X-Wing, Frontier,
Space Shuttle, Sim City, X-Com, Civilisation !! Where have all the great
developers gone?? Now its all boring RPS rehashes, FPS rampages, or
slightly updated strategy games. We dont have much choice these days.
Evolution is not a great thing where PC gaming is concerned.

Nats
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