American Tanks of the 21st Century... (late C21 setting)

On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:15:38 -1000, "Warren Okuma" <wokuma.TakeThisOut@lava.net>
wrote:


>Pretty unlikely to make the US to pull out of another country by being
>annoying...
>Without power, people in hospitals on life support will die...

Well, no they won't. That's what backup generators are for.
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:15:38 -1000, "Warren Okuma" <wokuma.TakeThisOut@lava.net>
wrote:

>> at a guess a couple of cells of 3-4 men per would seriously
>> inconvenience any major city. there are a great many vulnerable spots
>> in a city's infrastructure where a pound or two of semtex would
>> be quite annoying.
>> the entire idea is that you are being careful not to actually hurt
>> anyone during the process. if you are generating dead bodies you will
>> simply harden people's attitudes. if you on the other hand cause a
>> steady stream of annoyances and inconveniences for the population
>> their willingness to put up with this sort of thing is much lower than
>> their tolerance for actually being hurt.
>
>Pretty unlikely to make the US to pull out of another country by being
>annoying...
>Without power, people in hospitals on life support will die... watch the big
>backlash.
>

actually hospitals cannot afford normal power outages so they have
back up generators for critical systems. remember the idea is to
irritate and annoy not to kill.
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"David Johnston" <rgorman.DeleteThis@block.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:15:38 -1000, "Warren Okuma" <wokuma.DeleteThis@lava.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Pretty unlikely to make the US to pull out of another country by being
>>annoying...
>>Without power, people in hospitals on life support will die...
>
> Well, no they won't. That's what backup generators are for.
>
They only work for so long. See New Orleans and Katrina.
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"David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)" <dformosa.DeleteThis@dformosa.zeta.org.au> wrote
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> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:15:38 -1000, Warren Okuma <wokuma.DeleteThis@lava.net> wrote:
>>
>> "forkliftramp.com" <Brian_knowspam.McDonald.DeleteThis@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:650e22d7f9vrb213jrbhb64om7bjtbj0rj@4ax.com...
>
> [...]
>
>>> at a guess a couple of cells of 3-4 men per would seriously
>>> inconvenience any major city. there are a great many vulnerable spots
>>> in a city's infrastructure where a pound or two of semtex would
>>> be quite annoying.
>
> [...]
>
>> Pretty unlikely to make the US to pull out of another country by being
>> annoying...
>> Without power, people in hospitals on life support will die... watch the
>> big
>> backlash.
>
> Hospitals should have back up power. Power stations,
> telecomunication networks, bridges ect are all legitimate militory
> targets. During the struggel against appartide in south africa the
> ANC targeted these things so there is precent.
>
Yeah, and people died in those hospitals when the back up power ran out.
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:03:26 -1000, "Warren Okuma" <wokuma.RemoveThis@lava.net>
wrote:

>
>"David Johnston" <rgorman.RemoveThis@block.net> wrote in message
>news:4434687e.27063883@news.telusplanet.net...
>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:15:38 -1000, "Warren Okuma" <wokuma.RemoveThis@lava.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Pretty unlikely to make the US to pull out of another country by being
>>>annoying...
>>>Without power, people in hospitals on life support will die...
>>
>> Well, no they won't. That's what backup generators are for.
>>
>They only work for so long.

The power goes out for something like that for only so long. I
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:03:26 -1000, "Warren Okuma" <wokuma.TakeThisOut@lava.net>
wrote:

>
>"David Johnston" <rgorman.TakeThisOut@block.net> wrote in message
>news:4434687e.27063883@news.telusplanet.net...
>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:15:38 -1000, "Warren Okuma" <wokuma.TakeThisOut@lava.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Pretty unlikely to make the US to pull out of another country by being
>>>annoying...
>>>Without power, people in hospitals on life support will die...
>>
>> Well, no they won't. That's what backup generators are for.
>>
>They only work for so long. See New Orleans and Katrina.
>
they tend to work as long as they have fuel. katrina dumping water
onto the generators isn't really fair comment as the situation would
be so much different.
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On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 07:43:50 GMT, rgorman.DeleteThis@block.net (David Johnston)
wrote:


>>>>Pretty unlikely to make the US to pull out of another country by being
>>>>annoying...
>>>>Without power, people in hospitals on life support will die...
>>>
>>> Well, no they won't. That's what backup generators are for.
>>>
>>They only work for so long.
>
>The power goes out for something like that for only so long. I

If you do it properly the power goes out for oh 10 days to 2 weeks.
if you drop all the major feeder lines into an urban centre it's gonna
take a while to repair the damage.
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In article <slrne3i5au.93h.dformosa.RemoveThis@dformosa.zeta.org.au>, dformosa.RemoveThis@dformosa.zeta.org.au wrote:
>On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:04:36 -1000, Warren Okuma <wokuma.RemoveThis@lava.net> wrote:
>>
>> "David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)" <dformosa.RemoveThis@dformosa.zeta.org.au> wrote
>> in message news:slrne3cu8p.93h.dformosa@dformosa.zeta.org.au...
>
>[...]
>
>>> Hospitals should have back up power. Power stations,
>>> telecomunication networks, bridges ect are all legitimate militory
>>> targets. During the struggel against appartide in south africa the
>>> ANC targeted these things so there is precent.
>>>
>> Yeah, and people died in those hospitals when the back up power ran out.
>
>So your telling me that the hospital couldn't get desal for its
>generator before they ran dry? A fluid that is commenly advalable.
>If the hospital is so badly funded and orginized that it can't sustain
>powerloss untill electricty is restored, then terroism is the least of
>its worries. Any natral desaster could cause the same result, with
>the addedd pressure that you have thousands of victems.
>

One word:

Fuel
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On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:57:04 GMT, bb_43.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (Brian Bunin)
wrote:

>In article <slrne3i5au.93h.dformosa.RemoveThis@dformosa.zeta.org.au>, dformosa.RemoveThis@dformosa.zeta.org.au wrote:
>>On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:04:36 -1000, Warren Okuma <wokuma.RemoveThis@lava.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> "David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)" <dformosa.RemoveThis@dformosa.zeta.org.au> wrote
>>> in message news:slrne3cu8p.93h.dformosa@dformosa.zeta.org.au...
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>> Hospitals should have back up power. Power stations,
>>>> telecomunication networks, bridges ect are all legitimate militory
>>>> targets. During the struggel against appartide in south africa the
>>>> ANC targeted these things so there is precent.
>>>>
>>> Yeah, and people died in those hospitals when the back up power ran out.
>>
>>So your telling me that the hospital couldn't get desal for its
>>generator before they ran dry? A fluid that is commenly advalable.
>>If the hospital is so badly funded and orginized that it can't sustain
>>powerloss untill electricty is restored, then terroism is the least of
>>its worries. Any natral desaster could cause the same result, with
>>the addedd pressure that you have thousands of victems.
>>
>
>One word:
>
>Fuel

One word:

Trucks

>
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On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:03:16 GMT, rgorman.RemoveThis@block.net (David Johnston)
wrote:

>>>
>>>So your telling me that the hospital couldn't get desal for its
>>>generator before they ran dry? A fluid that is commenly advalable.
>>>If the hospital is so badly funded and orginized that it can't sustain
>>>powerloss untill electricty is restored, then terroism is the least of
>>>its worries. Any natral desaster could cause the same result, with
>>>the addedd pressure that you have thousands of victems.
>>>
>>
>>One word:
>>
>>Fuel
>
>One word:
>
>Trucks
>
>>
anyplace with a backup generator that costs a couple hundred grand
that is only going to run a few dozen hours max in it's entire
lifetime is going to flinch at the thought of keeping a few grand
worth of diesel in a tank? best figure on at least a couple day
supply on hand and maybe as much as a week's worth.
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"David Johnston" <rgorman.RemoveThis@block.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:57:04 GMT, bb_43.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (Brian Bunin)
> wrote:
>
>>In article <slrne3i5au.93h.dformosa.RemoveThis@dformosa.zeta.org.au>,
>>dformosa@dformosa.zeta.org.au wrote:
>>>On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:04:36 -1000, Warren Okuma <wokuma.RemoveThis@lava.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)" <dformosa.RemoveThis@dformosa.zeta.org.au>
>>>> wrote
>>>> in message news:slrne3cu8p.93h.dformosa@dformosa.zeta.org.au...
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>>> Hospitals should have back up power. Power stations,
>>>>> telecomunication networks, bridges ect are all legitimate militory
>>>>> targets. During the struggel against appartide in south africa the
>>>>> ANC targeted these things so there is precent.
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah, and people died in those hospitals when the back up power ran
>>>> out.
>>>
>>>So your telling me that the hospital couldn't get desal for its
>>>generator before they ran dry? A fluid that is commenly advalable.
>>>If the hospital is so badly funded and orginized that it can't sustain
>>>powerloss untill electricty is restored, then terroism is the least of
>>>its worries. Any natral desaster could cause the same result, with
>>>the addedd pressure that you have thousands of victems.
>>>
>>
>>One word:
>>
>>Fuel
>
> One word:
>
> Trucks
>
To pump fuel you need power. Not to mention traffic jams.
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"forkliftramp.com" <Brian_knowspam.McDonald RemoveThis @shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:03:26 -1000, "Warren Okuma" <wokuma RemoveThis @lava.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"David Johnston" <rgorman RemoveThis @block.net> wrote in message
>>news:4434687e.27063883@news.telusplanet.net...
>>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:15:38 -1000, "Warren Okuma" <wokuma RemoveThis @lava.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Pretty unlikely to make the US to pull out of another country by being
>>>>annoying...
>>>>Without power, people in hospitals on life support will die...
>>>
>>> Well, no they won't. That's what backup generators are for.
>>>
>>They only work for so long. See New Orleans and Katrina.
>>
> they tend to work as long as they have fuel. katrina dumping water
> onto the generators isn't really fair comment as the situation would
> be so much different.

Not all of them. Some just ran out of fuel and couldn't get more.
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:51:15 -0600, Jefferson
<Jeff_Wilson63.TakeThisOut@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>Brian Bunin wrote:
>
>> Quote from the article:
>>
>> “We were crossing our fingers today,” Zieman said. “We were down to 100
>> gallons, so we are happy to see you all. The hospital generators burn about
>> 225 gallons an hour. Thanks for coming to help. We sure appreciate it.”
>>
>> 225 GPH???????
>
>Why all the question marks?

He thinks that's rather a lot. He hasn't seen my natural gas bill.
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