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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:50 am
Post subject: Another freaking software f up
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Well it happened again, a civ that I had already made peace with comes
back dozens of years later and asks me for a peace treaty?! I also had
two sources of iron, one source was exhausted and the game acted like
both sources were and I couldnt build knight or legionary after
spending hours playing the game. I could even see the second source on
screen.
Now what other things are going wrong in this game that I can't even
see, maybe a country's going to war with me after I've spent time
trying to develop a relationship is also a bug.
And as a newcomer to the game I am just finding out after reading
reviews on amazon that some peoplehave tested the battle system and the
game does seem to cheat.
I love this game its addicting, but what is addiction its being in love
with something harmful if you ask me. Like we don;t say stephen hawking
is addicted to physics we say he's dedicated. I have to get off this
game. Is there a general consensus about that the best strategy game is
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:56 am
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On 14 Aug 2006 06:50:15 -0700, "lakeqi@yahoo.com" <lakeqi DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Well it happened again, a civ that I had already made peace with comes
>back dozens of years later and asks me for a peace treaty?!
If you make a cease fire, the civ will come back later and ask to
make it into a permanent peace treaty.
> I also had
>two sources of iron, one source was exhausted and the game acted like
>both sources were and I couldnt build knight or legionary after
>spending hours playing the game. I could even see the second source on
>screen.
If you trade away one of your sources of iron, you can't use it
yourself. If you lose the other source, then you'll have no iron of
your own even though you still own one, because you are giving that
one away to someone else.
>Now what other things are going wrong in this game that I can't even
>see, maybe a country's going to war with me after I've spent time
>trying to develop a relationship is also a bug.
Not a bug. The AI can go to war with friends, if the advantage is
sufficient -- just like a human player can. Some of the AI
personalities are more likely to do so than others.
>And as a newcomer to the game I am just finding out after reading
>reviews on amazon that some peoplehave tested the battle system and the
>game does seem to cheat.
More people have tested it and determined that the combat system
does not cheat. Testing requires a *lot* of work, setting up hundreds
of battles and recording all of the results.
>I love this game its addicting, but what is addiction its being in love
>with something harmful if you ask me. Like we don;t say stephen hawking
>is addicted to physics we say he's dedicated. I have to get off this
>game. Is there a general consensus about that the best strategy game is
>as far as the AI and it not cheating goes?
There are some games where the AI doesn't cheat, but in general the
AI *must* have some advantages over a human or else it can't win. So
whether the AI gets more stuff than a human, or can do things the
human cannot, either way, the AI isn't playing under even terms.
Oh, I'd bet that Chess games qualify as best AI and no cheating,
because of the many years spent on them and the fixed, relatively
simple rules.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:21 pm
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On 14 Aug 2006 06:50:15 -0700, "lakeqi@yahoo.com" <lakeqi.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
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>Well it happened again, a civ that I had already made peace with comes
>back dozens of years later and asks me for a peace treaty?! I also had
>two sources of iron, one source was exhausted and the game acted like
>both sources were and I couldnt build knight or legionary after
>spending hours playing the game. I could even see the second source on
>screen.
>Now what other things are going wrong in this game that I can't even
>see, maybe a country's going to war with me after I've spent time
>trying to develop a relationship is also a bug.
>And as a newcomer to the game I am just finding out after reading
>reviews on amazon that some peoplehave tested the battle system and the
>game does seem to cheat.
>I love this game its addicting, but what is addiction its being in love
>with something harmful if you ask me. Like we don;t say stephen hawking
>is addicted to physics we say he's dedicated. I have to get off this
>game. Is there a general consensus about that the best strategy game is
>as far as the AI and it not cheating goes?
As for your iron, perhaps you were trading iron with somebody when the
other one exhausted itself. This can be *VERY* annoying when it
happens but it's a feature, not a bug.
The only way I'm aware of war happening unexpectedly involves subs and
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:09 am
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Ah, thanks, yes I was trading iron at the time, I'll have to remember
that. As far as I know there is no cease fire though, I offered a peace
treaty and she accepted a peace treaty, I don;t think I've ever seen
"cease fire" offered, I'll have to look again. I wonder how the
computer determines if the source of iron i'm trading or the one I'm
using is the one to become exhauseted, does it have to do just with how
many units I may have made?
In any event I'm sure that the games creators cant think of everything.
Maybe I'm just mad as hell that from the begining of that game
everybody jumped on me becasue I hogged all the iron I guess( thay had
all the horses so whats the big deal?), and I never had a chance to
develop a culture, and then when I finally had one country on the
ropes, instead of joining me to wipe out the weak culture a civ that
was way out in front of me attacked me. Extreme frustration, I guess
thats part of the fun?
Loren Pechtel wrote:
> On 14 Aug 2006 06:50:15 -0700, "lakeqi@yahoo.com" <lakeqi.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> >Well it happened again, a civ that I had already made peace with comes
> >back dozens of years later and asks me for a peace treaty?! I also had
> >two sources of iron, one source was exhausted and the game acted like
> >both sources were and I couldnt build knight or legionary after
> >spending hours playing the game. I could even see the second source on
> >screen.
> >Now what other things are going wrong in this game that I can't even
> >see, maybe a country's going to war with me after I've spent time
> >trying to develop a relationship is also a bug.
> >And as a newcomer to the game I am just finding out after reading
> >reviews on amazon that some peoplehave tested the battle system and the
> >game does seem to cheat.
> >I love this game its addicting, but what is addiction its being in love
> >with something harmful if you ask me. Like we don;t say stephen hawking
> >is addicted to physics we say he's dedicated. I have to get off this
> >game. Is there a general consensus about that the best strategy game is
> >as far as the AI and it not cheating goes?
>
> As for your iron, perhaps you were trading iron with somebody when the
> other one exhausted itself. This can be *VERY* annoying when it
> happens but it's a feature, not a bug.
>
> The only way I'm aware of war happening unexpectedly involves subs and
> you don't seem to be at that tech level yet. >> Stay informed about: Another freaking software f up |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:55 pm
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<lakeqi.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Ah, thanks, yes I was trading iron at the time, I'll have to remember
> that. As far as I know there is no cease fire though, I offered a peace
> treaty and she accepted a peace treaty, I don;t think I've ever seen
> "cease fire" offered, I'll have to look again. I wonder how the
> computer determines if the source of iron i'm trading or the one I'm
> using is the one to become exhauseted, does it have to do just with how
> many units I may have made?
It's irrelevant, though. Your bargain with the other civ was for 1 unit of
iron every turn, for 20 turns minimum.
Just because your iron supply just went from +2 to +1 means nothing to your
customer, they just want the iron you agreed to.
Can you get the iron back? Sure, break the deal with your customer and risk
your reputation.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:55 pm
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<lakeqi DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1155563415.852419.261220@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> Well it happened again, a civ that I had already made peace with comes
> back dozens of years later and asks me for a peace treaty?! I also had
> two sources of iron, one source was exhausted and the game acted like
> both sources were and I couldnt build knight or legionary after
> spending hours playing the game. I could even see the second source on
> screen.
> Now what other things are going wrong in this game that I can't even
> see, maybe a country's going to war with me after I've spent time
> trying to develop a relationship is also a bug.
> And as a newcomer to the game I am just finding out after reading
> reviews on amazon that some peoplehave tested the battle system and the
> game does seem to cheat.
> I love this game its addicting, but what is addiction its being in love
> with something harmful if you ask me. Like we don;t say stephen hawking
> is addicted to physics we say he's dedicated. I have to get off this
> game. Is there a general consensus about that the best strategy game is
> as far as the AI and it not cheating goes?
>
If you were able to post a link to the save game (s) I might be able to shed
more light on whats happening, esp with your missing iron resource. Dont
wanna be rude, but I'm inclined to believe its a misunderstanding of the
game on your part. >> Stay informed about: Another freaking software f up |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:49 pm
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On 15 Aug 2006 09:09:32 -0700, "lakeqi@yahoo.com" <lakeqi.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
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>Ah, thanks, yes I was trading iron at the time, I'll have to remember
>that. As far as I know there is no cease fire though, I offered a peace
>treaty and she accepted a peace treaty, I don;t think I've ever seen
>"cease fire" offered, I'll have to look again. I wonder how the
>computer determines if the source of iron i'm trading or the one I'm
>using is the one to become exhauseted, does it have to do just with how
>many units I may have made?
It doesn't matter.
Treaty obligations take precedence over internal use. You're mining
one, you're exporting one therefore you have zero left. >> Stay informed about: Another freaking software f up |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:07 pm
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To the one writer, yes its true I don't have a great understanding of
the game, there seem to be so many details and the manual doesn't
really seem that great/ I just cant read every line of a 200 page book
for acomputer game. Ending trade agreements has been a mystery,I didn't
know that breaking one was a possibility outside of going to war.
Another thing has always been this issue of shileds, one question I
have is when you switch a citizen from a worker to an entertainer does
it matter which worker you switch, one who seems to be producing more?
Also what does it mean when an automated worker suddenly stops working
and he just stands over a city?
thanks
Pink Freud wrote:
> <lakeqi.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1155658172.875347.120930@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > Ah, thanks, yes I was trading iron at the time, I'll have to remember
> > that. As far as I know there is no cease fire though, I offered a peace
> > treaty and she accepted a peace treaty, I don;t think I've ever seen
> > "cease fire" offered, I'll have to look again. I wonder how the
> > computer determines if the source of iron i'm trading or the one I'm
> > using is the one to become exhauseted, does it have to do just with how
> > many units I may have made?
>
> It's irrelevant, though. Your bargain with the other civ was for 1 unit of
> iron every turn, for 20 turns minimum.
>
> Just because your iron supply just went from +2 to +1 means nothing to your
> customer, they just want the iron you agreed to.
>
> Can you get the iron back? Sure, break the deal with your customer and risk
> your reputation.
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> AFAIK it has nothing to do with how many units you have. >> Stay informed about: Another freaking software f up |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:55 pm
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<lakeqi RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> To the one writer, yes its true I don't have a great understanding of
> the game, there seem to be so many details and the manual doesn't
> really seem that great/ I just cant read every line of a 200 page book
> for acomputer game. Ending trade agreements has been a mystery,I didn't
> know that breaking one was a possibility outside of going to war.
> Another thing has always been this issue of shileds, one question I
> have is when you switch a citizen from a worker to an entertainer does
> it matter which worker you switch, one who seems to be producing more?
Yes, so you should pick one who isn't doing a lot on the square he's
working.
> Also what does it mean when an automated worker suddenly stops working
> and he just stands over a city?
I think it just means that there is nothing else for them to do. But as I
remember it they kinda went to sleep in the nearest city until there was
something to do, and then woke up when there was some pollution to clear up
or something.
> thanks
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> Pink Freud wrote:
>> <lakeqi RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1155658172.875347.120930@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>> > Ah, thanks, yes I was trading iron at the time, I'll have to remember
>> > that. As far as I know there is no cease fire though, I offered a peace
>> > treaty and she accepted a peace treaty, I don;t think I've ever seen
>> > "cease fire" offered, I'll have to look again. I wonder how the
>> > computer determines if the source of iron i'm trading or the one I'm
>> > using is the one to become exhauseted, does it have to do just with how
>> > many units I may have made?
>>
>> It's irrelevant, though. Your bargain with the other civ was for 1 unit
>> of
>> iron every turn, for 20 turns minimum.
>>
>> Just because your iron supply just went from +2 to +1 means nothing to
>> your
>> customer, they just want the iron you agreed to.
>>
>> Can you get the iron back? Sure, break the deal with your customer and
>> risk
>> your reputation.
>>
>> AFAIK it has nothing to do with how many units you have.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:55 am
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In alt.games.civ3 on Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Pink Freud wrote :
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>> Also what does it mean when an automated worker suddenly stops working
>> and he just stands over a city?
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>I think it just means that there is nothing else for them to do.
Or they've gone on strike. 
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:55 am
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>>> Also what does it mean when an automated worker suddenly stops
>>> working and he just stands over a city?
>>I think it just means that there is nothing else for them to do.
> Or they've gone on strike.
Strikes are obvious, with messages and smoke, though. If you set a
worker to build a trade network and that gets done, he will find a
nearby city and loaf around until you give him new orders. This is okay
for fully automated workers, because they will only loaf around until
something needs doing, but trade-network workers have to be changed to
fully automated workers to keep them going. >> Stay informed about: Another freaking software f up |
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