Two old figure questions

"Erik Setzer" <kgavrin-at-gmail-dot-com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:34:51 -0000, "estarriol"
> <estarriol RemoveThis @estarriol.jeansNTshirt.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Erik Setzer" <kgavrin-at-gmail-dot-com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> Thanks, guys, for unleashing another vile evil upon the newsgroup.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Erik
>>>
>>
>>But but but you came here all on your own, we didn't summon you.
>
> I only wish I could be evil. It'd make life a lot easier. I could
> use senseless violence as a solution to every problem. I'm just too
> emo to be evil though.
>

Define evil.
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Erik Setzer whined, bitched, and moaned:



>
> I've been trying to stay out of this, but this is a damn good point.
> That is, about some of the things done then. Sam called me one night
> repeatedly at like 2am, harassment by any definition. Other people,
> and no one knows who they were, did all kinds of things like spoofing
> IPs, sending viruses, all kinds of stuff. It was VERY ugly. And most
> of us have made peace with each other over it. But yeah, there was a
> lot of stuff that was questionable, right or wrong, and I think most
> people here would prefer to avoid that.


Erik, everything that happened to you was brought on by your own
actions. Perhaps some people went too far, but that doesn't change the
fact that they would have never done anything to you had you not
provoked the entire thing.

To this day you still have not learned when to just shut your mouth.
People have given you advice on how to be more human, and you have
ignored them at every turn. Once in a great while you post something of
value, but it is normally lost in the nonsensical rantings about this
game store, or that time somebody picked on you, or how horribly like a
soap opera your life is. Nobody cares about your life experiences here.
If someone here really truly desires to learn more about you I am sure
they will contact you in some way off of this group.
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:30:50 GMT, Kaine <Kaine71.DeleteThis@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>Erik Setzer whined, bitched, and moaned:
>> I've been trying to stay out of this, but this is a damn good point.
>> That is, about some of the things done then. Sam called me one night
>> repeatedly at like 2am, harassment by any definition. Other people,
>> and no one knows who they were, did all kinds of things like spoofing
>> IPs, sending viruses, all kinds of stuff. It was VERY ugly. And most
>> of us have made peace with each other over it. But yeah, there was a
>> lot of stuff that was questionable, right or wrong, and I think most
>> people here would prefer to avoid that.
>
>
>Erik, everything that happened to you was brought on by your own
>actions. Perhaps some people went too far, but that doesn't change the
>fact that they would have never done anything to you had you not
>provoked the entire thing.
>
> To this day you still have not learned when to just shut your mouth.
>People have given you advice on how to be more human, and you have
>ignored them at every turn. Once in a great while you post something of
>value, but it is normally lost in the nonsensical rantings about this
>game store, or that time somebody picked on you, or how horribly like a
>soap opera your life is. Nobody cares about your life experiences here.
>If someone here really truly desires to learn more about you I am sure
>they will contact you in some way off of this group.

Well, I had a post about as long as yours written up, but realized
that, even with the best intentions, it could be used by those who
want an excuse to flame me.

You don't remember what happened then, or the root cause (which has
since been removed from this newsgroup), so I'll let it go. I won't
even try to convince you everyone was wrong and there was no
justification for anything back then.

I will give you ONE "life story" here, but it's relevant. During that
time I stupidly threatened a guy's wife with physical harm. Yes, I
was a complete ass for doing so, and I was wrong. But I see him many
times a month and often talk with him, have played games with him, and
joked with him about games and stuff. It's been left in the past,
where it belongs, both of us are past it (granted, it did help that I
apologized a few years ago). So it can be done.

--
Erik

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<snip>>
>> You know what? never mind. I just realized I wasted my whole painting
>> time
>> this evening "catching up" on the NG and all I'm left with is a slimy
>> feeling.
>
> "RGMW - It's Like Getting an Anal Creampie from the Bastard Lovechild
> of Peter North and the Cloverfield Monster."

oh my god...

i cant stop laughing
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> I will give you ONE "life story" here, but it's relevant. During that
> time I stupidly threatened a guy's wife with physical harm. Yes, I
> was a complete ass for doing so, and I was wrong. But I see him many
> times a month and often talk with him, have played games with him, and
> joked with him about games and stuff. It's been left in the past,
> where it belongs, both of us are past it (granted, it did help that I
> apologized a few years ago). So it can be done.
>


i remember this. so tearjerkingly funny that i still laugh when i think
about it.
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Erik Setzer Wrote:
>
> You don't remember what happened then, or the root cause (which has
> since been removed from this newsgroup), so I'll let it go. I won't
> even try to convince you everyone was wrong and there was no
> justification for anything back then.


Please do not tell me how long I have been on this newsgroup. I have been
posting off and on here since 1997, and I browse through the group at least
once every few days. Maybe my posting frequency labels me more of a lurker
than a reg, but believe me, I have been here and I remember all of your
antics.
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:37:25 GMT, Kaine <Kaine71.DeleteThis@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>Erik Setzer Wrote:
>>
>> You don't remember what happened then, or the root cause (which has
>> since been removed from this newsgroup), so I'll let it go. I won't
>> even try to convince you everyone was wrong and there was no
>> justification for anything back then.
>
>Please do not tell me how long I have been on this newsgroup. I have been
>posting off and on here since 1997, and I browse through the group at least
>once every few days. Maybe my posting frequency labels me more of a lurker
>than a reg, but believe me, I have been here and I remember all of your
>antics.

I'm not saying how long you've been here. I'm saying you don't
remember THE root cause: Jimi Tubman. If my hard drive hadn't gone
belly up, I could even provide you the original e-mail that started it
all.

--
Erik

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:37:25 GMT, Kaine <Kaine71 RemoveThis @NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>Erik Setzer Wrote:
>>
>> You don't remember what happened then, or the root cause (which has
>> since been removed from this newsgroup), so I'll let it go. I won't
>> even try to convince you everyone was wrong and there was no
>> justification for anything back then.
>
>
>Please do not tell me how long I have been on this newsgroup. I have been
>posting off and on here since 1997, and I browse through the group at least
>once every few days. Maybe my posting frequency labels me more of a lurker
>than a reg, but believe me, I have been here and I remember all of your
>antics.

Since you DON'T know what started it all, I refer you to:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.miniatures.warhammer/browse_f...thread/

The background behind all this is that Jimi had a site which basically
ripped off stuff including some of GW's 3rd edition codices
pre-publication, and it was a shoddy site at that. Apparently someone
noted this on a GW links site, which was then accused of being my
dad's site since it had Inisfail rated high (I can't even find the
site any more to see what they'd said about Jimi's site). Basically
people started hating on Inisfail because my dad didn't like Jimi -
which, in and of itself, was a years-old issue involving Jimi acting
like a total spazz on a mailing list or two, earning himself a lot of
enemies and no friends in the process. So he did a parody of Inisfail
and sent me the link in an e-mail, complete with credit given to RGMW.
In retaliation, I verbally lashed him on RGMW. The debate comes here.
The whole SEAL-military-whatever issue was brought up because of a bio
page on my dad's site, and I'm surprised anyone even takes a bio page
on the web seriously (I don't bother with one for that reason). Heck,
that page was even hacked during the whole ordeal. Point is, it began
long before it spilled over onto RGMW, and the core problem was the
same as it was in the Cammander thread and during that time period.

Now, if you'll note, I'm not blaming anyone else, as they were
defending a person who at the time was a friend, just as I was
defending my father. I can respect that, and don't hold it against
them.

Please go back and read what's on the newsgroup itself. Even without
the off-newsgroup stuff, it'll help you understand that I didn't just
mysteriously show up out of the blue to randomly attack RGMW, and I
will NOT have someone trying to claim that's what happened. I may
have acted like a dumbass in my early time here, but it was as a
REACTION to someone else being a dumbass. I showed up as a result of
being attacked on here and having it forwarded to my private e-mail.
And like I said, I don't hold RGMW or its members resposible any more,
just one idiot who was a cancer to every online community he ever was
a part of.

I tried to avoid getting into this, but I won't let someone smear me
and paint everything as being my fault alone, especially when my part
of it was a reaction.

--
Erik

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Between saving the world and having a spot of tea Seamus said

> On Jan 22, 8:43 am, "MJB" <mrt... RemoveThis @OLDsguy.com> wrote:
> <snipthelivingshitouttathat>
>
> Martin, why do you insist on taking this seriously?

You should always take the Ginge menance seriously. They pop up
everywhere.

--
Rob Singers
RGMW FAQ Maintainer. See it @ http://www.rgmw.org
Foemina Erit Ruina Tua
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"Rob Singers" <rsingers RemoveThis @finger.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea Seamus said
>
>> On Jan 22, 8:43 am, "MJB" <mrt... RemoveThis @OLDsguy.com> wrote:
>> <snipthelivingshitouttathat>
>>
>> Martin, why do you insist on taking this seriously?
>
> You should always take the Ginge menance seriously. They pop up
> everywhere.
>

we just want to be your f...AHH SUN! *runs away*
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Between saving the world and having a spot of tea MJB said

>>> Do you have first hand knowledge of what we did back during the great
>>> SEAL hunt?
>>
>> Yes. Yes I do.
>
> Cool. So you're one of the six people left who remember.
>
> <heavy sigh>

I think you need to take a step back and have a look at how close to doing
a 'Jimi' you just came. Kaine was trying to tell you something in his
posts that I just don't think you get. I don't know whether it is hubris,
I don't know if its because you insist on operating on preconcieved notions
of people, or it's because of the events you recently posted about.

RGMH self destructed not because of opposing opinions but because it was
never a community.

You might think that a lot of people from the old days are gone but some of
us still have [active] email addresses for them. It's not like we'd be
adding them to our Facebook friends list or anything tho'

--
Rob Singers
RGMW FAQ Maintainer. See it @ http://www.rgmw.org
Foemina Erit Ruina Tua
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Between saving the world and having a spot of tea estarriol said

> Define evil.

Fat people in lycra.

--
Rob Singers
RGMW FAQ Maintainer. See it @ http://www.rgmw.org
Foemina Erit Ruina Tua
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