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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:00 am
Post subject: the end of buying used games? Orange Box registration problem
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I bought a used copy of the Orange Box at a mom and pop PC shop for $20.
It had both discs and had the registration page/box, so I thought
there would be no problems. Took it home and tried installing it, but
it only installs through Steam, and it said somebody else was using this
registration code, so it would not let me install the Orange Box. It
says I can mail in a receipt to Valve, and they will send me a new
registration number, but they don't accept receipts from used vendors --
only an original receipt from a new retailer like Best Buy/Newegg, etc..
Seems unfair to me that some dude who bought it new loaded it up onto
their Steam account and still gets to play it (or might not be), and
then they just dumped the discs and packaging onto an unsuspecting
store/person. Valve should make that person's copy of Orange Box not
work anymore and allow me to use my copy, since I physically have
possession of the game/materials.
I guess the days of buying used games are nearing the end. It benefits
the developers to end the ability to buy and sell used games, but it
could backfire. If people can no longer trade in or sell their games
after they are done with them, they may not want to spend $59.99 anymore
on brand new games.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:42 pm
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To be honest, I'm surprised you even found a retailer which sells second
hand PC games any more
Not to pour salt on the wound or anything, but, seriously, where have
you been the last decade or so? Ever since games have required CD Key
(Even going way, way back to the original version of HL1 from 1998), its
been a very, very bad idea to buy such PC games from second hand shops.
Sure, Steam compounds the problem even further by requiring online
activation for the single player aspect, although, even Steam has been
around for 3 or 4 years now. I don't think there have been many games
released in the last 7 or 8 years where I'd ever reccomend to someone
buying a second hand copy, for the exact reason that you've discovered
The idea of buying/selling second hand PC games has been long 'dead' as
far as I'm concerned. its been years and years since I last even saw a
shop anywhere near me which would accept a 2nd hand PC game, because all
of them are well aware of how likely it is that the CD key will not work
for that game's future owners.
IMHO, the shop you bought the game from are very naive in buying and
selling people's second-hand PC games.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:25 pm
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"jl" wrote ...
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> Seems unfair to me that some dude who bought it new loaded it up onto
> their Steam account and still gets to play it (or might not be), and then
> they just dumped the discs and packaging onto an unsuspecting
> store/person. Valve should make that person's copy of Orange Box not
> work anymore and allow me to use my copy, since I physically have
> possession of the game/materials.
I don't see any reason why this should be the case... I just got an old XP
disc from a neighbour, and 'phoned Microsoft when its install complained
that the product key is already in use. As soon as I told M$ the old install
was no longer used, I got an activation key and I'm away. Even if the old
install was still in use (it's not), any future connections to windowsupdate
would get the little "this is an illegal copy" nag screen.
I can understand how it would be difficult to ascertain which of the two
installs is valid, but Microsoft doesn't worry about it too much. >> Stay informed about: the end of buying used games? Orange Box registration prob.. |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:47 pm
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:00:50 -0700, jl <noone.DeleteThis@nowherezville.org>
wrote:
>I bought a used copy of the Orange Box at a mom and pop PC shop for $20.
> It had both discs and had the registration page/box, so I thought
>there would be no problems. Took it home and tried installing it, but
>it only installs through Steam, and it said somebody else was using this
>registration code, so it would not let me install the Orange Box. It
>says I can mail in a receipt to Valve, and they will send me a new
>registration number, but they don't accept receipts from used vendors --
>only an original receipt from a new retailer like Best Buy/Newegg, etc..
>
>Seems unfair to me that some dude who bought it new loaded it up onto
>their Steam account and still gets to play it (or might not be), and
>then they just dumped the discs and packaging onto an unsuspecting
>store/person. Valve should make that person's copy of Orange Box not
>work anymore and allow me to use my copy, since I physically have
>possession of the game/materials.
>
>I guess the days of buying used games are nearing the end. It benefits
>the developers to end the ability to buy and sell used games, but it
>could backfire. If people can no longer trade in or sell their games
>after they are done with them, they may not want to spend $59.99 anymore
>on brand new games.
You should ask Steam what address the game is registered to and go
round and thump 'em  D >> Stay informed about: the end of buying used games? Orange Box registration prob.. |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:38 am
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On 3/23/08 3:00 AM jl brightened our day with:
> I bought a used copy of the Orange Box at a mom and pop PC shop for
> $20. It had both discs and had the registration page/box, so I
> thought there would be no problems. Took it home and tried installing
> it, but it only installs through Steam, and it said somebody else was
> using this registration code, so it would not let me install the
> Orange Box. It says I can mail in a receipt to Valve, and they will
> send me a new registration number, but they don't accept receipts from
> used vendors -- only an original receipt from a new retailer like Best
> Buy/Newegg, etc..
>
> Seems unfair to me that some dude who bought it new loaded it up onto
> their Steam account and still gets to play it (or might not be), and
> then they just dumped the discs and packaging onto an unsuspecting
> store/person. Valve should make that person's copy of Orange Box not
> work anymore and allow me to use my copy, since I physically have
> possession of the game/materials.
>
> I guess the days of buying used games are nearing the end. It
> benefits the developers to end the ability to buy and sell used games,
> but it could backfire. If people can no longer trade in or sell their
> games after they are done with them, they may not want to spend $59.99
> anymore on brand new games.
>
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It's the dumb ass mom and pop that sold you a defective product; go get
your money back. Did they have it sitting on a shelf with the
activation number just lying around? There might be 10,000 people
trying to log in with that cd key by now.
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"Out here on the perimeter there are no stars"
Steve --Inglo-- >> Stay informed about: the end of buying used games? Orange Box registration prob.. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:28 am
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Shouldnt you be able to install it without the key as long as you had
a steam account that already has the Orange Box registered to it.
Valve cant just give you the copy as that person is the owner but then
again they shouldnt sell their disks and key card to anyone. I havent
read the EULA that thoroughly yet but I am pretty sure it is against
the EULA to resell Valve games.
PC games are cheap enough that you dont need to buy second hand games
and since they are mostly moddable the third party stuff alone can
keep the game worth keeping more than a console game worth atleast 10
dollars more.
Although there really is no rule or guideline in buying used PC games,
some games do work as second hand but keep in mind multiplayer games
which have one key and that is registered to an account probably
already in use. Also, some games dont allow reselling according to the
EULA - I remember reading something about it being illegal to resell
valve games but Im not really that sure.
Keep in mind, game today are packaged in fully sealed plastic wrapping
aside for the plastic dvd cases. If the plastic wrapping is open dont
buy it second hand or not - and it has to be the original plastic and
seal - the Orange Box has an EA seal on both ends. >> Stay informed about: the end of buying used games? Orange Box registration prob.. |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:34 am
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> I guess the days of buying used games are nearing the end. It benefits
> the developers to end the ability to buy and sell used games, but it
> could backfire. If people can no longer trade in or sell their games
> after they are done with them, they may not want to spend $59.99 anymore
> on brand new games.
BTW, just to add to that remark of yours... most PC games are tilted
towards multiplayer. Why do you think there has been a shortage of
good singleplayer PC games? Big companies have stopped making those
for that reason alone. Also that is the reason why a lot of smaller
companies are going for the free business models and now even big
companies are following suit such as EA (Battlefield Heroes) and Valve
(w Nexon Corp. - CounterStrike Online - korea online I think). $59.99
is a small price to pay for some big titles like HL2 in the Orange Box
because not only do you get good singleplayer games you also get a
great multiplayer game, the complete Valve Source SDK, and the chance
to try out over 3 dozen very good mods. (well not all of them but
Insurgency is really good among many others). >> Stay informed about: the end of buying used games? Orange Box registration prob.. |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:21 pm
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"CheeseCake" skrev
>I havent read the EULA that thoroughly yet but I am
> pretty sure it is against the EULA to resell Valve games.
Not any more - or rather
You sell your steam account including all games and the buyer can change the
userid and email (not steamid)
Still precaution is required as the steamid could be banned for infinite 
- Peter >> Stay informed about: the end of buying used games? Orange Box registration prob.. |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:12 am
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Ben Cottrell wrote:
> To be honest, I'm surprised you even found a retailer which sells second
> hand PC games any more
Of course, the problem lies with online activation for PC games that
have a multiplayer element. You can still purchase single player PC
games 2nd hand, either through high street shops as the op mentions or
online such as ebay with no problems. >> Stay informed about: the end of buying used games? Orange Box registration prob.. |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:24 pm
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On Mar 25, 5:12 am, Jimbob <m....DeleteThis@nofkinspam.me> wrote:
You can still purchase single player PC
> games 2nd hand, either through high street shops as the op mentions or
> online such as ebay with no problems.
Except Valve Source games and Steam only games either single player or
multiplayer as all games are tied to accounts no matter what. >> Stay informed about: the end of buying used games? Orange Box registration prob.. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:57 pm
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CheeseCake wrote:
> On Mar 25, 5:12 am, Jimbob <m....TakeThisOut@nofkinspam.me> wrote:
> You can still purchase single player PC
>> games 2nd hand, either through high street shops as the op mentions or
>> online such as ebay with no problems.
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> Except Valve Source games and Steam only games either single player or
> multiplayer as all games are tied to accounts no matter what.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:04 pm
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If the original purchaser had included the Steam account username and
password with that game, you'd be IN with no problems. Since they didn't,
take it back to the mom n pop store. It's not merchantable.
McG.
"jl" <noone.RemoveThis@nowherezville.org> wrote in message news:1206298074_721@isp.n...
>I bought a used copy of the Orange Box at a mom and pop PC shop for $20. It
>had both discs and had the registration page/box, so I thought there would
>be no problems. Took it home and tried installing it, but it only installs
>through Steam, and it said somebody else was using this registration code,
>so it would not let me install the Orange Box. It says I can mail in a
>receipt to Valve, and they will send me a new registration number, but they
>don't accept receipts from used vendors --
> only an original receipt from a new retailer like Best Buy/Newegg, etc..
>
> Seems unfair to me that some dude who bought it new loaded it up onto
> their Steam account and still gets to play it (or might not be), and then
> they just dumped the discs and packaging onto an unsuspecting
> store/person. Valve should make that person's copy of Orange Box not
> work anymore and allow me to use my copy, since I physically have
> possession of the game/materials.
>
> I guess the days of buying used games are nearing the end. It benefits
> the developers to end the ability to buy and sell used games, but it could
> backfire. If people can no longer trade in or sell their games after they
> are done with them, they may not want to spend $59.99 anymore on brand new
> games.
>
>
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:05 pm
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GameSpot, EB Games sell used PC games all day long. In their brick n mortar
stores.
McG.
"Ben Cottrell" <bench.DeleteThis@bench333.screaming.net> wrote in message
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> To be honest, I'm surprised you even found a retailer which sells second
> hand PC games any more
>
> Not to pour salt on the wound or anything, but, seriously, where have you
> been the last decade or so? Ever since games have required CD Key (Even
> going way, way back to the original version of HL1 from 1998), its been a
> very, very bad idea to buy such PC games from second hand shops.
>
> Sure, Steam compounds the problem even further by requiring online
> activation for the single player aspect, although, even Steam has been
> around for 3 or 4 years now. I don't think there have been many games
> released in the last 7 or 8 years where I'd ever reccomend to someone
> buying a second hand copy, for the exact reason that you've discovered
>
>
> The idea of buying/selling second hand PC games has been long 'dead' as
> far as I'm concerned. its been years and years since I last even saw a
> shop anywhere near me which would accept a 2nd hand PC game, because all
> of them are well aware of how likely it is that the CD key will not work
> for that game's future owners.
>
> IMHO, the shop you bought the game from are very naive in buying and
> selling people's second-hand PC games.
>
>
> --
> Ben Cottrell
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> "Speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out" >> Stay informed about: the end of buying used games? Orange Box registration prob.. |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:50 pm
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On Mar 28, 11:05 pm, "McG." <McGrandpa....TakeThisOut@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
> GameSpot, EB Games sell used PC games all day long. In their brick n mortar
> stores.
> McG.
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> "Ben Cottrell" <be....TakeThisOut@bench333.screaming.net> wrote in message
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> > To be honest, I'm surprised you even found a retailer which sells second
> > hand PC games any more
>
> > Not to pour salt on the wound or anything, but, seriously, where have you
> > been the last decade or so? Ever since games have required CD Key (Even
> > going way, way back to the original version of HL1 from 1998), its been a
> > very, very bad idea to buy such PC games from second hand shops.
>
> > Sure, Steam compounds the problem even further by requiring online
> > activation for the single player aspect, although, even Steam has been
> > around for 3 or 4 years now. I don't think there have been many games
> > released in the last 7 or 8 years where I'd ever reccomend to someone
> > buying a second hand copy, for the exact reason that you've discovered
>
> > The idea of buying/selling second hand PC games has been long 'dead' as
> > far as I'm concerned. its been years and years since I last even saw a
> > shop anywhere near me which would accept a 2nd hand PC game, because all
> > of them are well aware of how likely it is that the CD key will not work
> > for that game's future owners.
>
> > IMHO, the shop you bought the game from are very naive in buying and
> > selling people's second-hand PC games.
>
> > --
> > Ben Cottrell
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> > "Speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out"- Hide quoted text -
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But I highly doubt they would sell used Valve games and games that
specifically use account locked keys / single accoutn keys. If they
did then they need to get more well informed staff. >> Stay informed about: the end of buying used games? Orange Box registration prob.. |
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