Creatures is eating my brain.

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nornagon wrote:
| I've decided that Creatures is eating my brain. I look at all the dev
stuff
| I do, and realise that pretty much all of it is Creatures-related. I
reckon
| Creatures is at fault for making me want to do AI/AL stuff at uni.
|
| Anyone else noticed similar things, or am I alone?

What the foo are you talking about? Eem completely unaffected. I can
quit anybibble I want to!
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"Don" <admin.RemoveThis@amberz.nospam.net> wrote in message
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> "nornagon" <nornagon.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> I've decided that Creatures is eating my brain. I look at all the dev
>> stuff
>> I do, and realise that pretty much all of it is Creatures-related. I
>> reckon
>> Creatures is at fault for making me want to do AI/AL stuff at uni.
>>
>> Anyone else noticed similar things, or am I alone?

Note: There are much worse things that can happen to one's brain. Compared
to the majority who just laze around in university...

In short, if that's having your brain eaten, then BRAIN EATENEDERS PRIDE!
*waves flag; hands to random productive (admirable) person*

>> --
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>> http://www.nornrock.com
>> mailto: nornagon.RemoveThis@gmail.com
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>
>
> I wonder how many CC members chose their degree under the influence of
> Creatures.
>
> I think a lot of us are in roughly the same fields now: programming, web
> design or media. So, do you think Creatures influenced us into these
> fields or did our interests bring us to Creatures?

I'd guess the latter, but with a feedback loop involved somewhere. Any
influences related to web design or media seem... unlikely. Programming?
Much more likely. Also, I/we suspect that the sorts of people who enjoy
Creatures are the same sorts of people who go into programming; other sorts,
such as accountants, likely would find it dull or something similar.

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On 2005-02-10, Don <admin.DeleteThis@amberz.nospam.net> wrote:
> "nornagon" <nornagon.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:420b564d@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> I've decided that Creatures is eating my brain. I look at all the dev
>> stuff
>> I do, and realise that pretty much all of it is Creatures-related. I
>> reckon
>> Creatures is at fault for making me want to do AI/AL stuff at uni.
>>
>> Anyone else noticed similar things, or am I alone?
>> --
>> - nornagon
>> http://www.nornrock.com
>> mailto: nornagon.DeleteThis@gmail.com
>> DS Species range: 10001-10100
>
>
> I wonder how many CC members chose their degree under the influence of
> Creatures.
>
> I think a lot of us are in roughly the same fields now: programming, web
> design or media. So, do you think Creatures influenced us into these fields
> or did our interests bring us to Creatures?
>
> Don
> AmberCreatures
> http://creatures.amberz.net

Hey, it got me to like NNTP... Although I think it hasn't had that much
inpact on choosing my subject for uni...
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On 2005-02-10, bd <bdonlan.RemoveThis@bd.beginyourfear.com> wrote:
>
> nornagon wrote:
>| I've decided that Creatures is eating my brain. I look at all the dev
> stuff
>| I do, and realise that pretty much all of it is Creatures-related. I
> reckon
>| Creatures is at fault for making me want to do AI/AL stuff at uni.
>|
>| Anyone else noticed similar things, or am I alone?
>
> What the foo are you talking about? Eem completely unaffected. I can
> quit anybibble I want to!

Flib dat!
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"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better...
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.
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> "Don" <admin RemoveThis @amberz.nospam.net> wrote in message
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>> "nornagon" <nornagon RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:420b564d@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>> I've decided that Creatures is eating my brain. I look at all the dev
>>> stuff
>>> I do, and realise that pretty much all of it is Creatures-related. I
>>> reckon
>>> Creatures is at fault for making me want to do AI/AL stuff at uni.
>>>
>>> Anyone else noticed similar things, or am I alone?
>
> Note: There are much worse things that can happen to one's brain.
> Compared to the majority who just laze around in university...
>
> In short, if that's having your brain eaten, then BRAIN EATENEDERS PRIDE!
> *waves flag; hands to random productive (admirable) person*
>

Lol, very true. I've enjoyed every moment of my Creatures days... except
when somebody decided to hotlink my program without crediting me, and they
rued the day, I'm sure.

>>
>>
>> I wonder how many CC members chose their degree under the influence of
>> Creatures.
>>
>> I think a lot of us are in roughly the same fields now: programming, web
>> design or media. So, do you think Creatures influenced us into these
>> fields or did our interests bring us to Creatures?
>
> I'd guess the latter, but with a feedback loop involved somewhere. Any
> influences related to web design or media seem... unlikely. Programming?
> Much more likely. Also, I/we suspect that the sorts of people who enjoy
> Creatures are the same sorts of people who go into programming; other
> sorts, such as accountants, likely would find it dull or something
> similar.
>

I don't know, I go even further than that, I think. I want to do
neuropsychology and biochemistry and stuff... Oh, and of course
programming, and maybe CG art...

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> The Triad InSaNiTised:
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>> "Don" <admin.RemoveThis@amberz.nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:cug893$lu6$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>>> "nornagon" <nornagon.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:420b564d@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>>> I've decided that Creatures is eating my brain. I look at all the dev
>>>> stuff
>>>> I do, and realise that pretty much all of it is Creatures-related. I
>>>> reckon
>>>> Creatures is at fault for making me want to do AI/AL stuff at uni.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else noticed similar things, or am I alone?
>>
>> Note: There are much worse things that can happen to one's brain.
>> Compared to the majority who just laze around in university...
>>
>> In short, if that's having your brain eaten, then BRAIN EATENEDERS PRIDE!
>> *waves flag; hands to random productive (admirable) person*
>>
>
> Lol, very true. I've enjoyed every moment of my Creatures days... except
> when somebody decided to hotlink my program without crediting me, and they
> rued the day, I'm sure.

*smiles* Did you move the program to somewhere else on your site, and put a
somewhat... different program in its original (hotlinked) location?

>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder how many CC members chose their degree under the influence of
>>> Creatures.
>>>
>>> I think a lot of us are in roughly the same fields now: programming, web
>>> design or media. So, do you think Creatures influenced us into these
>>> fields or did our interests bring us to Creatures?
>>
>> I'd guess the latter, but with a feedback loop involved somewhere. Any
>> influences related to web design or media seem... unlikely.
>> Programming?
>> Much more likely. Also, I/we suspect that the sorts of people who enjoy
>> Creatures are the same sorts of people who go into programming; other
>> sorts, such as accountants, likely would find it dull or something
>> similar.
>>
>
> I don't know, I go even further than that, I think. I want to do
> neuropsychology and biochemistry and stuff... Oh, and of course
> programming, and maybe CG art...

*grins* ...neurology... definitely interested in programming here, but
also in (nearly) all forms of Artificial Life, and particularly in
self-altering programs.

....if one could create a Seed AI which could recursively make itself more
intelligent... or maybe hook up genetic algorithms to a neural net, then at
some point create a feedback loop and allow the neural net to define the
algorithms' goals...

*dreams*

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The Triad InSaNiTised:

> "nornagon" <nornagon DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:420c5a79@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> The Triad InSaNiTised:
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>>> "Don" <admin DeleteThis @amberz.nospam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:cug893$lu6$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>>>> "nornagon" <nornagon DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:420b564d@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>>>> I've decided that Creatures is eating my brain. I look at all the dev
>>>>> stuff
>>>>> I do, and realise that pretty much all of it is Creatures-related. I
>>>>> reckon
>>>>> Creatures is at fault for making me want to do AI/AL stuff at uni.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else noticed similar things, or am I alone?
>>>
>>> Note: There are much worse things that can happen to one's brain.
>>> Compared to the majority who just laze around in university...
>>>
>>> In short, if that's having your brain eaten, then BRAIN EATENEDERS
>>> PRIDE! *waves flag; hands to random productive (admirable) person*
>>>
>>
>> Lol, very true. I've enjoyed every moment of my Creatures days... except
>> when somebody decided to hotlink my program without crediting me, and
>> they rued the day, I'm sure.
>
> *smiles* Did you move the program to somewhere else on your site, and put
> a
> somewhat... different program in its original (hotlinked) location?
>

Hehe. No, I took a much more direct approach. I flamed the heck out of him.
<eg>

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how many CC members chose their degree under the influence of
>>>> Creatures.
>>>>
>>>> I think a lot of us are in roughly the same fields now: programming,
>>>> web design or media. So, do you think Creatures influenced us into
>>>> these fields or did our interests bring us to Creatures?
>>>
>>> I'd guess the latter, but with a feedback loop involved somewhere. Any
>>> influences related to web design or media seem... unlikely.
>>> Programming?
>>> Much more likely. Also, I/we suspect that the sorts of people who enjoy
>>> Creatures are the same sorts of people who go into programming; other
>>> sorts, such as accountants, likely would find it dull or something
>>> similar.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know, I go even further than that, I think. I want to do
>> neuropsychology and biochemistry and stuff... Oh, and of course
>> programming, and maybe CG art...
>
> *grins* ...neurology... definitely interested in programming here, but
> also in (nearly) all forms of Artificial Life, and particularly in
> self-altering programs.

Yupyup, neurology's really interesting. And all forms of AL. (Did you know
that Conway's Game of Life is Turing complete? Yep, someone built a Turing
machine in Life.)

>
> ...if one could create a Seed AI which could recursively make itself more
> intelligent... or maybe hook up genetic algorithms to a neural net, then
> at some point create a feedback loop and allow the neural net to define
> the algorithms' goals...
>
> *dreams*
>

Hehe, yeah, I've thought about that. If you give a very simple
(comparatively) AI a hell of a lot of time and some genetic algorithms...
voíla, human-like intelligence!

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> The Triad InSaNiTised:
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>> "nornagon" <nornagon DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> The Triad InSaNiTised:
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>>>> "Don" <admin DeleteThis @amberz.nospam.net> wrote in message
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>>>>> "nornagon" <nornagon DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:420b564d@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>>>>> I've decided that Creatures is eating my brain. I look at all the dev
>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>> I do, and realise that pretty much all of it is Creatures-related. I
>>>>>> reckon
>>>>>> Creatures is at fault for making me want to do AI/AL stuff at uni.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone else noticed similar things, or am I alone?
>>>>
>>>> Note: There are much worse things that can happen to one's brain.
>>>> Compared to the majority who just laze around in university...
>>>>
>>>> In short, if that's having your brain eaten, then BRAIN EATENEDERS
>>>> PRIDE! *waves flag; hands to random productive (admirable) person*
>>>>
>>>
>>> Lol, very true. I've enjoyed every moment of my Creatures days... except
>>> when somebody decided to hotlink my program without crediting me, and
>>> they rued the day, I'm sure.
>>
>> *smiles* Did you move the program to somewhere else on your site, and
>> put
>> a
>> somewhat... different program in its original (hotlinked) location?
>>
>
> Hehe. No, I took a much more direct approach. I flamed the heck out of
> him.
> <eg>

Hah. Still, it doesn't have the same... insidiousness!

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder how many CC members chose their degree under the influence of
>>>>> Creatures.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think a lot of us are in roughly the same fields now: programming,
>>>>> web design or media. So, do you think Creatures influenced us into
>>>>> these fields or did our interests bring us to Creatures?
>>>>
>>>> I'd guess the latter, but with a feedback loop involved somewhere. Any
>>>> influences related to web design or media seem... unlikely.
>>>> Programming?
>>>> Much more likely. Also, I/we suspect that the sorts of people who
>>>> enjoy
>>>> Creatures are the same sorts of people who go into programming; other
>>>> sorts, such as accountants, likely would find it dull or something
>>>> similar.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know, I go even further than that, I think. I want to do
>>> neuropsychology and biochemistry and stuff... Oh, and of course
>>> programming, and maybe CG art...
>>
>> *grins* ...neurology... definitely interested in programming here, but
>> also in (nearly) all forms of Artificial Life, and particularly in
>> self-altering programs.
>
> Yupyup, neurology's really interesting. And all forms of AL.

*nods*

> (Did you know
> that Conway's Game of Life is Turing complete? Yep, someone built a Turing
> machine in Life.)

Ooo. *blinks*

....can it simulate another Turing machine running Half-Life?

>>
>> ...if one could create a Seed AI which could recursively make itself more
>> intelligent... or maybe hook up genetic algorithms to a neural net, then
>> at some point create a feedback loop and allow the neural net to define
>> the algorithms' goals...
>>
>> *dreams*
>>
>
> Hehe, yeah, I've thought about that. If you give a very simple
> (comparatively) AI a hell of a lot of time and some genetic algorithms...
> voíla, human-like intelligence!

....we can hope... *hopes*

The thing is--if it's in theory simple, then why has no one done it yet?
More to the point, how does one do it?

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> "nornagon" <nornagon.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> The Triad InSaNiTised:
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>>> "nornagon" <nornagon.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> The Triad InSaNiTised:
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>>>>> "Don" <admin.RemoveThis@amberz.nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:cug893$lu6$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>>>>>> "nornagon" <nornagon.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:420b564d@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>>>>>> I've decided that Creatures is eating my brain. I look at all the
>>>>>>> dev stuff
>>>>>>> I do, and realise that pretty much all of it is Creatures-related. I
>>>>>>> reckon
>>>>>>> Creatures is at fault for making me want to do AI/AL stuff at uni.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone else noticed similar things, or am I alone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: There are much worse things that can happen to one's brain.
>>>>> Compared to the majority who just laze around in university...
>>>>>
>>>>> In short, if that's having your brain eaten, then BRAIN EATENEDERS
>>>>> PRIDE! *waves flag; hands to random productive (admirable) person*
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lol, very true. I've enjoyed every moment of my Creatures days...
>>>> except when somebody decided to hotlink my program without crediting
>>>> me, and they rued the day, I'm sure.
>>>
>>> *smiles* Did you move the program to somewhere else on your site, and
>>> put
>>> a
>>> somewhat... different program in its original (hotlinked) location?
>>>
>>
>> Hehe. No, I took a much more direct approach. I flamed the heck out of
>> him.
>> <eg>
>
> Hah. Still, it doesn't have the same... insidiousness!
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how many CC members chose their degree under the influence
>>>>>> of Creatures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think a lot of us are in roughly the same fields now: programming,
>>>>>> web design or media. So, do you think Creatures influenced us into
>>>>>> these fields or did our interests bring us to Creatures?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd guess the latter, but with a feedback loop involved somewhere.
>>>>> Any
>>>>> influences related to web design or media seem... unlikely.
>>>>> Programming?
>>>>> Much more likely. Also, I/we suspect that the sorts of people who
>>>>> enjoy
>>>>> Creatures are the same sorts of people who go into programming; other
>>>>> sorts, such as accountants, likely would find it dull or something
>>>>> similar.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know, I go even further than that, I think. I want to do
>>>> neuropsychology and biochemistry and stuff... Oh, and of course
>>>> programming, and maybe CG art...
>>>
>>> *grins* ...neurology... definitely interested in programming here, but
>>> also in (nearly) all forms of Artificial Life, and particularly in
>>> self-altering programs.
>>
>> Yupyup, neurology's really interesting. And all forms of AL.
>
> *nods*
>
>> (Did you know
>> that Conway's Game of Life is Turing complete? Yep, someone built a
>> Turing machine in Life.)
>
> Ooo. *blinks*
>
> ...can it simulate another Turing machine running Half-Life?

*groans and calls 1800-BADJOKE*

But yes, Turing machines can, by definition, do anything.

>
>>>
>>> ...if one could create a Seed AI which could recursively make itself
>>> more
>>> intelligent... or maybe hook up genetic algorithms to a neural net,
>>> then at some point create a feedback loop and allow the neural net to
>>> define the algorithms' goals...
>>>
>>> *dreams*
>>>
>>
>> Hehe, yeah, I've thought about that. If you give a very simple
>> (comparatively) AI a hell of a lot of time and some genetic algorithms...
>> voíla, human-like intelligence!
>
> ...we can hope... *hopes*
>
> The thing is--if it's in theory simple, then why has no one done it yet?
> More to the point, how does one do it?
>

Good question. Maybe they're all stupid.

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Weird. Before I got into creatures, I toyed around with Conway's life
some.
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Be sure to bring us back a genome editor for us so that norns dont have
ALL the fun, nornagon.
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<snip>
>>> (Did you know
>>> that Conway's Game of Life is Turing complete? Yep, someone built a
>>> Turing machine in Life.)
>>
>> Ooo. *blinks*
>>
>> ...can it simulate another Turing machine running Half-Life?
>
> *groans and calls 1800-BADJOKE*
>
> But yes, Turing machines can, by definition, do anything.

Er, we were being serious. Is there some reason why this wouldn't be
feasible? (To make our particular curiosity somewhat clearer, we're also
wondering whether it would be possible to construct a Turing machine
entirely out of pings (or similar signals), without having to install
specialised software on all the computers/networking thingamajigs involved.)

>>
>>>>
>>>> ...if one could create a Seed AI which could recursively make itself
>>>> more
>>>> intelligent... or maybe hook up genetic algorithms to a neural net,
>>>> then at some point create a feedback loop and allow the neural net to
>>>> define the algorithms' goals...
>>>>
>>>> *dreams*
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hehe, yeah, I've thought about that. If you give a very simple
>>> (comparatively) AI a hell of a lot of time and some genetic
>>> algorithms...
>>> voíla, human-like intelligence!
>>
>> ...we can hope... *hopes*
>>
>> The thing is--if it's in theory simple, then why has no one done it yet?
>> More to the point, how does one do it?
>>
>
> Good question. Maybe they're all stupid.

Hmm.

....we have to find out /how/...

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The Triad wrote:
| <snip>
|
|>>>(Did you know
|>>>that Conway's Game of Life is Turing complete? Yep, someone built a
|>>>Turing machine in Life.)
|>>
|>>Ooo. *blinks*
|>>
|>>...can it simulate another Turing machine running Half-Life?
|>
|>*groans and calls 1800-BADJOKE*
|>
|>But yes, Turing machines can, by definition, do anything.
|
|
| Er, we were being serious. Is there some reason why this wouldn't be
| feasible? (To make our particular curiosity somewhat clearer, we're also
| wondering whether it would be possible to construct a Turing machine
| entirely out of pings (or similar signals), without having to install
| specialised software on all the computers/networking thingamajigs
involved.)

A universal turing machine (like a computer*) requires a program. If
that program is another UTM, so be it. However, the program must still
be present. In other words, yes, you'd need to arrange the proper
emulation software on the UTMs involved.

* - technically, a computer is not a turing machine, as it does not have
infinite storage.
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