Why doesnt anyone make a first person adventure game?

Andrew Plotkin <erkyrath RemoveThis @eblong.com> wrote in
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> Here, CeeBee <ceebeechester RemoveThis @start.com.au> wrote:
>> "PaulyB" <me RemoveThis @me.com> wrote in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.adventure:
>>
>> > I was just playing half life 2 and thought what a great idea it
>> > would be to have a first person adventure game with that kind of
>> > engine, the player could have free run of a 'world' and go around
>> > interacting with characters and solving various puzzles, what you
>> > all think?
>>

> Graphically I like the effect. In terms of game mechanics, it doesn't
> really add anything to the panning adventure games we've had for a
> decade.

It would give you the ability to have "physics" puzzles such as exist in
Half-Life 2. I thought they could have done a lot more with it in HL2;
the ones that were included were pretty light-weight.

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Ped Xing
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"Mary" <no DeleteThis @japamjunk.com> wrote in news:dur3vf$vk4$1@emma.aioe.org:

> "don" <don DeleteThis @no.spam> wrote in message news:441101D5.EFF1F322@no.spam...
>> Ben Frazer wrote:
>>
>> > Yup. Anyone also remember Normality?
>>
>> Dude, I just played like a year or two ago. It was totally rad!
>
> rad??
>
> Mary

Short for "radical". It basically means "awesome" or "cool".

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Ped Xing wrote:

> >> Dude, I just played like a year or two ago. It was totally rad!
> >
> > rad??
> >
> > Mary
>
> Short for "radical". It basically means "awesome" or "cool".

LOL! I guess Mary or her kids weren't in the generation that used that
expression. It just seems to fit with the language used in the game
although I'm not sure if it was actually used in the game. Reminds me
of the British game that used the word "poxy" all the time. I had to
look it up to see if it meant something good or something bad.
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LS wrote:
> Op Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:32:35 GMT schreef djin <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com>:
>
>> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:22:03 +0100, B.C. wrote:
>>
>>> "LS" <here!@> schreef in bericht
>>> news:r150125sbscplm3r8t9d6bhandi8bahfql@4ax.com...
>>>> Op Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:47:31 +0100 schreef LS <here!@>
>>>
>>>> Black Dahlia
>>>> Ripper
>>>> The Quivering
>>> <Good old Black Dahlia!>
>>>
>>> Byzantine the Betrayal.
>>>
>>> Barbara
>> The OP said "first person" in the thread title, but what he wrote in his
>> post was "first person adventure game with that kind of engine," referring
>> to Half Life 2 as an example. And there aren't too many adventure games
>> that use real time 3D.
>
> True, but in that case he should not have said:
>
> "I was thinking more of an adventure game in the traditional sense but
> from a first person perspective. So imagine exploring monkey island
> from a first person perspective, you'd still have the dialogs between
> characters and you could still pick objects up and use them on other
> objects and solve all the puzzles but it would be from a more
> realistic perspective. See where I'm coming from?"
>
> because that has absolutely nothing to do with 3d.

Why should he not have said that? Maybe you could explain how you could
have a graphic adventure with a first-person viewpoint, but WITHOUT 3D,
because as far as I can see that would be impossible.
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LS wrote:
> Op Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:32:35 GMT schreef djin <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com>:
>
>> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:22:03 +0100, B.C. wrote:
>>
>>> "LS" <here!@> schreef in bericht
>>> news:r150125sbscplm3r8t9d6bhandi8bahfql@4ax.com...
>>>> Op Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:47:31 +0100 schreef LS <here!@>
>>>
>>>> Black Dahlia
>>>> Ripper
>>>> The Quivering
>>> <Good old Black Dahlia!>
>>>
>>> Byzantine the Betrayal.
>>>
>>> Barbara
>> The OP said "first person" in the thread title, but what he wrote in his
>> post was "first person adventure game with that kind of engine," referring
>> to Half Life 2 as an example. And there aren't too many adventure games
>> that use real time 3D.
>
> True, but in that case he should not have said:
>
> "I was thinking more of an adventure game in the traditional sense but
> from a first person perspective. So imagine exploring monkey island
> from a first person perspective, you'd still have the dialogs between
> characters and you could still pick objects up and use them on other
> objects and solve all the puzzles but it would be from a more
> realistic perspective. See where I'm coming from?"
>
> because that has absolutely nothing to do with 3d.

It think it was fairly obvious right from the start of the thread that
the OP was talking about an adventure game using a 3D engine. To split
hairs about whether he should or shouldn't say certain things doesn't
get anyone anywhere. The view from a 3D engine such as Half-Life is
first-person, so he was right.
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"don" <don.RemoveThis@no.spam> wrote in message news:4411CC8F.FC962D06@no.spam...
>
>
> Ped Xing wrote:
>
> > >> Dude, I just played like a year or two ago. It was totally rad!
> > >
> > > rad??
> > >
> > > Mary
> >
> > Short for "radical". It basically means "awesome" or "cool".
>
> LOL! I guess Mary or her kids weren't in the generation that used
that
> expression. It just seems to fit with the language used in the game
> although I'm not sure if it was actually used in the game.

LOL. When was it they used the term "rad"? Maybe it was before or after
my time. Was it an an American slang word and we in Canada are a bit
more formal and maybe never used it here?.
Or maybe its just teenagers use it here. I have two teenage
granddaughters, but haven't heard them say "rad".

Reminds me
> of the British game that used the word "poxy" all the time. I had to
> look it up to see if it meant something good or something bad.

Never heard of the word "poxy" either though I've heard a "pox" on you
in movies -LOL

Mary
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:10:40 -0500, "Mary" <no.RemoveThis@japamjunk.com> wrote:

>"don" <don.RemoveThis@no.spam> wrote in message news:4411CC8F.FC962D06@no.spam...
>>
>>
>> Ped Xing wrote:
>>
>> > >> Dude, I just played like a year or two ago. It was totally rad!
>> > >
>> > > rad??
>> > >
>> > > Mary
>> >
>> > Short for "radical". It basically means "awesome" or "cool".
>>
>> LOL! I guess Mary or her kids weren't in the generation that used
>that
>> expression. It just seems to fit with the language used in the game
>> although I'm not sure if it was actually used in the game.
>
>LOL. When was it they used the term "rad"? Maybe it was before or after
>my time. Was it an an American slang word and we in Canada are a bit
>more formal and maybe never used it here?.
>Or maybe its just teenagers use it here. I have two teenage
>granddaughters, but haven't heard them say "rad".
>
> Reminds me
>> of the British game that used the word "poxy" all the time. I had to
>> look it up to see if it meant something good or something bad.
>
>Never heard of the word "poxy" either though I've heard a "pox" on you
>in movies -LOL
>
>Mary

Did you or your kids ever have chicken pox as a child? Not a good
thing.

Cam Moore
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Op Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:50:48 GMT schreef KeithB <nospam.RemoveThis@spambin.net>:

>LS wrote:
>> Op Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:32:35 GMT schreef djin <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com>:
>>
>>> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:22:03 +0100, B.C. wrote:
>>>
>>>> "LS" <here!@> schreef in bericht
>>>> news:r150125sbscplm3r8t9d6bhandi8bahfql@4ax.com...
>>>>> Op Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:47:31 +0100 schreef LS <here!@>
>>>>
>>>>> Black Dahlia
>>>>> Ripper
>>>>> The Quivering
>>>> <Good old Black Dahlia!>
>>>>
>>>> Byzantine the Betrayal.
>>>>
>>>> Barbara
>>> The OP said "first person" in the thread title, but what he wrote in his
>>> post was "first person adventure game with that kind of engine," referring
>>> to Half Life 2 as an example. And there aren't too many adventure games
>>> that use real time 3D.
>>
>> True, but in that case he should not have said:
>>
>> "I was thinking more of an adventure game in the traditional sense but
>> from a first person perspective. So imagine exploring monkey island
>> from a first person perspective, you'd still have the dialogs between
>> characters and you could still pick objects up and use them on other
>> objects and solve all the puzzles but it would be from a more
>> realistic perspective. See where I'm coming from?"
>>
>> because that has absolutely nothing to do with 3d.
>
>Why should he not have said that? Maybe you could explain how you could
>have a graphic adventure with a first-person viewpoint, but WITHOUT 3D,
>because as far as I can see that would be impossible.

Why would that be impossible? I don't get it.

Let me put it like this. No reason whatsoever why node-based and
point&click 1st-person adventures couldn't have dialogues and
inventory-based puzzles. (As opposed to the Mystian 1st-person games
with lonely exploration and different types of puzzles.) So obviously
plenty of adventures fit the bill.

For some people adding real-time 3D is more immersive. Real-time 3D
has nothing to do with inventory and dialogues. If 3D is *crucial* for
PaulyB (but that's not what I got from his posts), you are right:
there are only a few non-Mystian 1st-person adventures to choose from.
Someone else already mentioned the old Tex Murphy games.
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Op Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:30:53 +0100 schreef LS <here!@>:

>Op Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:50:48 GMT schreef KeithB <nospam.TakeThisOut@spambin.net>:
>
>>LS wrote:
>>> Op Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:32:35 GMT schreef djin <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com>:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:22:03 +0100, B.C. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "LS" <here!@> schreef in bericht
>>>>> news:r150125sbscplm3r8t9d6bhandi8bahfql@4ax.com...
>>>>>> Op Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:47:31 +0100 schreef LS <here!@>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Black Dahlia
>>>>>> Ripper
>>>>>> The Quivering
>>>>> <Good old Black Dahlia!>
>>>>>
>>>>> Byzantine the Betrayal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barbara
>>>> The OP said "first person" in the thread title, but what he wrote in his
>>>> post was "first person adventure game with that kind of engine," referring
>>>> to Half Life 2 as an example. And there aren't too many adventure games
>>>> that use real time 3D.
>>>
>>> True, but in that case he should not have said:
>>>
>>> "I was thinking more of an adventure game in the traditional sense but
>>> from a first person perspective. So imagine exploring monkey island
>>> from a first person perspective, you'd still have the dialogs between
>>> characters and you could still pick objects up and use them on other
>>> objects and solve all the puzzles but it would be from a more
>>> realistic perspective. See where I'm coming from?"
>>>
>>> because that has absolutely nothing to do with 3d.
>>
>>Why should he not have said that? Maybe you could explain how you could
>>have a graphic adventure with a first-person viewpoint, but WITHOUT 3D,
>>because as far as I can see that would be impossible.
>
>Why would that be impossible? I don't get it.
>
>Let me put it like this. No reason whatsoever why node-based and
>point&click 1st-person adventures couldn't have dialogues and
>inventory-based puzzles. (As opposed to the Mystian 1st-person games
>with lonely exploration and different types of puzzles.) So obviously
>plenty of adventures fit the bill.
>
>For some people adding real-time 3D is more immersive. Real-time 3D
>has nothing to do with inventory and dialogues. If 3D is *crucial* for
>PaulyB (but that's not what I got from his posts), you are right:
>there are only a few non-Mystian 1st-person adventures to choose from.
>Someone else already mentioned the old Tex Murphy games.

And Gabriel Knight 3! How could I forget...
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"Cam Moore" <moorecam.TakeThisOut@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:10:40 -0500, "Mary" <no.TakeThisOut@japamjunk.com> wrote:
>
> >"don" <don.TakeThisOut@no.spam> wrote in message
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> >>
> >>
> >> Ped Xing wrote:
> >>
> >> > >> Dude, I just played like a year or two ago. It was totally
rad!
> >> > >
> >> > > rad??
> >> > >
> >> > > Mary
> >> >
> >> > Short for "radical". It basically means "awesome" or "cool".
> >>
> >> LOL! I guess Mary or her kids weren't in the generation that used
> >that
> >> expression. It just seems to fit with the language used in the
game
> >> although I'm not sure if it was actually used in the game.
> >
> >LOL. When was it they used the term "rad"? Maybe it was before or
after
> >my time. Was it an an American slang word and we in Canada are a bit
> >more formal and maybe never used it here?.
> >Or maybe its just teenagers use it here. I have two teenage
> >granddaughters, but haven't heard them say "rad".
> >
> > Reminds me
> >> of the British game that used the word "poxy" all the time. I had
to
> >> look it up to see if it meant something good or something bad.
> >
> >Never heard of the word "poxy" either though I've heard a "pox" on
you
> >in movies -LOL
> >
> >Mary
>
> Did you or your kids ever have chicken pox as a child? Not a good
> thing.

Oh, that kind of "pox". Yes, I had it and they did too. At least my two
daughters did, but I don't remember my son getting it. Hmmm. I'll have
to ask him -LOL

Mary
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Mary wrote:

> LOL. When was it they used the term "rad"? Maybe it was before or after
> my time. Was it an an American slang word and we in Canada are a bit
> more formal and maybe never used it here?.

Remember the film Fast Times at Ridgemont High with a very young Sean
Penn as a strung out surfer dude type? That was 1982 and about the time
that the surfer dude/valley girl slang became widespread due to that
movie and others like it and the hit song Valley Girl. You might
remember hearing "totally tubular" or "gag me with a spoon."

> Or maybe its just teenagers use it here. I have two teenage
> granddaughters, but haven't heard them say "rad".

They're way too young, but they may have heard of it. Kids still use
short forms of words like "fab" for "fabulous."

> Never heard of the word "poxy" either though I've heard a "pox" on you
> in movies -LOL

I think Cam has it right. "Poxy" is probably from having chicken pox
like "lousy" is from having lice. The character in the game kept
finding insignificant things and calling them "poxy" or "twiddly" such
as: "It's only a poxy stone" or "It's just a twiddly little key."
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"don" <don.TakeThisOut@no.spam> wrote in message news:44131470.A873BF06@no.spam...

> Mary wrote:
>
> > LOL. When was it they used the term "rad"? Maybe it was before or
after
> > my time. Was it an an American slang word and we in Canada are a bit
> > more formal and maybe never used it here?.
>
> Remember the film Fast Times at Ridgemont High with a very young Sean
> Penn as a strung out surfer dude type? That was 1982 and about the
time
> that the surfer dude/valley girl slang became widespread due to that
> movie and others like it and the hit song Valley Girl. You might
> remember hearing "totally tubular" or "gag me with a spoon."

You are going to be disappointed but I never saw that movie, so can't
comment.

> > Or maybe its just teenagers use it here. I have two teenage
> > granddaughters, but haven't heard them say "rad".
>
> They're way too young, but they may have heard of it. Kids still use
> short forms of words like "fab" for "fabulous."

I've heard of "fab" but its not a word often used here or in the past,
or maybe my circle is incredidibly out of touch -LOL

> > Never heard of the word "poxy" either though I've heard a "pox" on
you
> > in movies -LOL
>
> I think Cam has it right. "Poxy" is probably from having chicken pox
> like "lousy" is from having lice. The character in the game kept
> finding insignificant things and calling them "poxy" or "twiddly" such
> as: "It's only a poxy stone" or "It's just a twiddly little key."

You're much more up to date on slang and Ridgemount High. LOL

This is an adventure game NG. We should keep on topic here. A newcomer
to the NG is annoyed. Guess he's never heard of "plonking" threads or
people- now *that"s* a slang word I like -LOL

Mary
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Mary wrote:

> This is an adventure game NG. We should keep on topic here. A newcomer
> to the NG is annoyed. Guess he's never heard of "plonking" threads or
> people- now *that"s* a slang word I like -LOL

What??? We're talking about the slang used in adventure games here!
Normality used that surfer dude type of lingo, and the Valhalla games
used "poxy" in them. Who's annoyed? Probably one of the same people
who bitch when no one is posting here!
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