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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:38 am
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hello,
hereby I want to introduce myself as new Empire player, in
case anyone cares...
Approximately 2-3 years ago I learned of Wolfpack Empire
to exist, while poking around the FSF's free software
directory.
I have to state, that I am a free software enthusiast
since nearly ten years now, and try hard to merely run
free software. Having said this, I must admit, that I am
typing this word from my mother's Windows notebook, which
I have to use, since I suffer from an OCD, and therefor my
GNU/Linux machiene is currently out of reach for me.
I am trying hard at the moment, to convince my friends,
who are hardened Civ veterans, of running a Empire server
and play a long term game.
As an result of this, I am now learning Empire again, and
read nearly all of the info pages and introduction guides,
I could found.
Being a purist, I only use the native emp_client, which
works fine to me, but think of switching one day to
WinACE, but only because of the advantages it offers for
the gameplay.
I am no hardcore Linux evangelist and very liberal and
enlighted (may I dare to say so??), when it comes to
different philosophies and personal tastes, everyone has.
So loving Linux and free software is just my way of being,
but enough of that stuff.
My career in strategy gaming is still short an started
with Civ2 and lateron Alpha Cantauri, for me still the
definitive sci-fi strategy expirience (well, because of
the great sci-fi stuff). Now I am playing mostly FreeCiv,
ASC, Wesnoth (though I dislike fantasy), roguelikes and
Go.
As you can see I am heavyly in free game gaming. I haven't
played many more modern commercial strategy games, since
they are to graphically overbloated for my tastes.
I am also relatively conservative, when it comes to
computer hardware.
I am very interested in supporting Empire.
Well that's difficult at best, because of the following
reasons:
- As an native german, I have some diffculties in siing
the english language correctly (as you may have already
discovered, I am truely sorry for that).
- I am doing a retraining at the moment and am confident
to become an IT specialist soon. But unfortunately my
capabillities in programming C/C++ are still poor at best.
- As a newbie I doesn't have the arcane insights into the
game concepts, procedures and rules.
Well that are my handicaps. The only thing I can and will
do, is report any bug or oddity I may find, since I am
quite good and dogged, when I find any potential
inconstistensies and unusualnesses.
I would very much appreciate to see a maintained web-page
for the game and a better, less cut up, up-to-date
documentation. That's what would even the steep learning
curve a lot.
Well, that's no claim, nor an accusal, just MHO.
Now that's enough of me, for the moment.
Great work done so far!
Best regards,
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:26 pm
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<metalevel.DeleteThis@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:4289d839-ab3e-4e25-8b8e-4fe09b486e88@c30g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> hello,
>
> hereby I want to introduce myself as new Empire player, in
> case anyone cares...
>
> Approximately 2-3 years ago I learned of Wolfpack Empire
> to exist, while poking around the FSF's free software
> directory.
> I have to state, that I am a free software enthusiast
> since nearly ten years now, and try hard to merely run
> free software. Having said this, I must admit, that I am
> typing this word from my mother's Windows notebook, which
> I have to use, since I suffer from an OCD, and therefor my
> GNU/Linux machiene is currently out of reach for me.
>
> I am trying hard at the moment, to convince my friends,
> who are hardened Civ veterans, of running a Empire server
> and play a long term game.
> As an result of this, I am now learning Empire again, and
> read nearly all of the info pages and introduction guides,
> I could found.
>
> Being a purist, I only use the native emp_client, which
> works fine to me, but think of switching one day to
> WinACE, but only because of the advantages it offers for
> the gameplay.
> I am no hardcore Linux evangelist and very liberal and
> enlighted (may I dare to say so??), when it comes to
> different philosophies and personal tastes, everyone has.
> So loving Linux and free software is just my way of being,
> but enough of that stuff.
>
> My career in strategy gaming is still short an started
> with Civ2 and lateron Alpha Cantauri, for me still the
> definitive sci-fi strategy expirience (well, because of
> the great sci-fi stuff). Now I am playing mostly FreeCiv,
> ASC, Wesnoth (though I dislike fantasy), roguelikes and
> Go.
> As you can see I am heavyly in free game gaming. I haven't
> played many more modern commercial strategy games, since
> they are to graphically overbloated for my tastes.
> I am also relatively conservative, when it comes to
> computer hardware.
>
> I am very interested in supporting Empire.
> Well that's difficult at best, because of the following
> reasons:
>
> - As an native german, I have some diffculties in siing
> the english language correctly (as you may have already
> discovered, I am truely sorry for that).
>
> - I am doing a retraining at the moment and am confident
> to become an IT specialist soon. But unfortunately my
> capabillities in programming C/C++ are still poor at best.
>
> - As a newbie I doesn't have the arcane insights into the
> game concepts, procedures and rules.
>
> Well that are my handicaps. The only thing I can and will
> do, is report any bug or oddity I may find, since I am
> quite good and dogged, when I find any potential
> inconstistensies and unusualnesses.
>
> I would very much appreciate to see a maintained web-page
> for the game and a better, less cut up, up-to-date
> documentation. That's what would even the steep learning
> curve a lot.
>
> Well, that's no claim, nor an accusal, just MHO.
>
> Now that's enough of me, for the moment.
>
> Great work done so far!
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> dTerm
Welcome to Empire! Have you tried one of the blitzes?
If you encounter problems, feel free to post questions
here. Many experienced players from various countries
lurk here on RGE. Once you feel you are ready for more,
join a long-term game. Also, do not be discouraged
if you have top play and lose a few times. Each time you
will get better.
The development team welcomes bug reports. They work
hard at making it better. if you have any knowledge of
web pages, the Wolfpack site could use some help.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:05 am
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On 15 Nov., 19:26, "Tom Johnson"
<123thjohnson1104remove....DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote:
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> Welcome to Empire! Have you tried one of the blitzes?
> If you encounter problems, feel free to post questions
> here. Many experienced players from various countries
> lurk here on RGE. Once you feel you are ready for more,
> join a long-term game. Also, do not be discouraged
> if you have top play and lose a few times. Each time you
> will get better.
>
> The development team welcomes bug reports. They work
> hard at making it better. if you have any knowledge of
> web pages, the Wolfpack site could use some help.
>
> Tom
Hello Tom,
yes, during the last days I have been playing the Changeling blitz
several times, just for regaining knowledge how things fit together.
But I must admit, that blitzes aren't very useful for me, since
updates are too often and you cannot watch things evolve. So I am
waiting for a long term game, maybe I will set up the one with my
friends. It will be for training purposes anyway.
One thing thats pretty frustrating is the quite bad documentation.
Well, even after reading nearly all info pages, the guide and the
newbie hints, there are too many questions arising afterwards, which
aren't explained in the info pages.
For example, I am used to know very much on how things are calculated
in the first place. But with the info pages I have to collect them
togther manually, often without the success desired. I think, thats
what scares off the most newbies.
There should be one guide, where everything is explained, the info
pages should just be for explaining the syntax of any single command.
Formally I am able to write HTML and PHP code, but I am no web page
designer, nor does I like it much.
But if it's just about keep the wolfpack site up-to-date, and add some
game announcements or statistics and links for the current code,
that's something I could do, yes.
There are also already some issues I tumbled over. So the path command
doesn't show the complete distribution path, but only for on hex
field. Also route does not show the distribution sectors. I am still
using the win binaries with the native emp_client at the moment.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:37 am
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On 18 Nov., 15:33, Markus Armbruster <arm... DeleteThis @pond.sub.org> wrote:
> For practicing the basics and experimenting, I recommend running your
> own server, with only demand updates.
>
> But there's just one way to really learn the game: get your head
> handed to you on a platter in a real (long term) game.
I will join the next long-term game, that's announced here. Meanwhile
I will give my best in the Zebra Blitz.
There just one thing with Zebra, didn't it start today on 6pm eastern
time? I'm a little confused because the game server tells me another
time as ET. So which time I have to conform to?
> Yes, we need a user manual, but there is none. The closest thing we
> have is the Guide, but it's *ancient*: written in '91/92 for BSD
> Empire 1.1. And it's just as outdated as its age suggests.
>
> The info pages are big: almost 20k lines of text, or 378 pages in
> (badly formatted) print. That's quite a stack of dead trees. Most of
> it is reference documentation of, let's say, uneven quality.
>
> Writing a manual for a game of this complexity is a daunting task.
> The venerable Guide runs to 70 pages, and I'd expect a current manual
> of similar scope to be at least that big.
That's really out of scope for a single person, to be done in spare
time for fun, I mean.
I had the idea of setting up a wiki, so elaborate this together. The
Wesnoth team does also advance their game manual this way. Though I
don't know what the plans have been for the Empire Academy, I think
this would be the perfect place for a wiki.
As for the info pages, there would be the way making up a schedule,
that every week here on RGE we'll discuss a single info page solely.
Their are about 280 pages divided by about 50 weeks of a year, we'd
get the job done in 5 1/2 years.
Please stop me, if you think my visions are too adventurous, maybe I
am too eager or just have too much spare time at the moment
> The website really needs some love. Keep the news up-to-date, weed
> out dead links, remove a few pages that have rotted away. Optional:
> add completed games and their winners to the history section.
>
> Help with that would be greatly appreciated. Mail me if you're
> interested.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:33 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:03 am
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> > That's really out of scope for a single person, to be done in spare
> > time for fun, I mean.
> > I had the idea of setting up a wiki, so elaborate this together. The
> > Wesnoth team does also advance their game manual this way. Though I
> > don't know what the plans have been for the Empire Academy, I think
> > this would be the perfect place for a wiki.
>
> A Wiki would be great, but only if people contribute. What about it,
> folks?
>
i actually think a wiki would be a great way to develop a new user's
guide to empire
it could be open to people also writing general articles not related
to a specific command
or key concept, but in those articles, would be links to the command/
info entries that form
the core of the wiki. you could even copy the actual info pages into
the wiki, along with
original content.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:10 am
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"unemployed" <matthuey RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > That's really out of scope for a single person, to be done in spare
>> > time for fun, I mean.
>> > I had the idea of setting up a wiki, so elaborate this together. The
>> > Wesnoth team does also advance their game manual this way. Though I
>> > don't know what the plans have been for the Empire Academy, I think
>> > this would be the perfect place for a wiki.
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>> A Wiki would be great, but only if people contribute. What about it,
>> folks?
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> i actually think a wiki would be a great way to develop a new user's
> guide to empire
>
> it could be open to people also writing general articles not related
> to a specific command
> or key concept, but in those articles, would be links to the command/
> info entries that form
> the core of the wiki. you could even copy the actual info pages into
> the wiki, along with
> original content.
>
> -unemployed
What does it take to set up and manage a wiki. I know we have several
servers set up with wiki databases here at work to allow multi-discipline
teams to work together and share information.
Tom
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:27 am
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:54 am
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On 19 Nov., 14:10, "Tom Johnson"
<123thjohnson1104remove....RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote:
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> What does it take to set up and manage a wiki. I know we have several
> servers set up with wiki databases here at work to allow multi-discipline
> teams to work together and share information.
>
According to the MediaWiki website, which I looked up, because it's I
think the most prominent full-featured Wiki, it takes a web server, a
PHP server and some SQL database for the basics. But I know, that
there are also some Wikis, that only need PHP and a web server (e.g.
PWP Wiki). I don't think we would need a full-featured one.
I'd more like a tiny, simple Wiki... Unfortunately I haven't set up
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:59 pm
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On Nov 19, 5:10 am, "Tom Johnson"
<123thjohnson1104remove....DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote:
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> What does it take to set up and manage a wiki. I know we have several
> servers set up with wiki databases here at work to allow multi-discipline
> teams to work together and share information.
It's not too hard. There are two tricks. One is hosting it somewhere
while keeping the software up-to-date (waves at Markus). Two is
keeping the information current, in other words maintaining people's
interest in maintaining the data.
I had an empire wiki running for a bit. Installing MediaWiki is not
hard, but having to stay on those security updates really made me lose
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:48 am
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:47 am
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On Nov 20, 2:04 am, Markus Armbruster <arm... RemoveThis @pond.sub.org> wrote:
> Old Dog,
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> I'm all for getting Wolfpack Empire properly covered and linked in
> Wikipedia. But full documentation just doesn't belong there. The two
> example entries you quoted (Runescape and Ogame) explain their game at
> a conceptual level, which is what I would expect from a detailed
> Wikipedia article. They don't describe the exact controls. That
> really belongs elsewhere.
Well then, perhaps the discussion regarding the private wiki makes
sense, allowing multiple contributors to add/maintain/correct/enhance
existing documentation. Perhaps there could be a "fixed" section for
reference and then aplce for others to add their thoughts for peer
review and possible inclusion to the "fixed" section.
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