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Sensei

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:58 am
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:34:39 -0500, Isla Nublar <not RemoveThis @this.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:20:41 +0000, Not Lemming honest
><reallynot RemoveThis @bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>You could try this FAQ:
>>
>>http://www.templetons.com/brad/emily.html
>>
>>Seriously, I think you'll learn a lot from it.
>>
>>Not really Lemming, honest
>>--
>>Are you getting a clue yet, Ms. Nubbler?
>
>
>My my. look at the times on these. 7:09, 7:11, 7:20.

These what?

Yes, of course, *I* know what you are referring to, but someone coming
across your post in isolation wouldn't. If you want to communicate
well, write with your readers in mind. What do they know already?
What do they not know? Will they be able to guess what you are
talking about? Will they have access to the post before yours, or
even several posts before yours? Have you quoted enough material to
give your writing a context? Does anything need more explanation?

Try to include enough information so that people can understand what
you mean. And also remember you aren't just writing for today's
readers. Will people who dejagoogle your posts ten years from now
know what you are writing about?

>Something held your attention for a whole 11 minutes.

Consider yourself honoured, Ms. Nubbler. I took time out of my busy
schedule just to help you. You should thank me.

Incidentally, you might want to revise your logic. It's true that
eleven minutes passed between posting the first and posting the last
but you don't know how long the first took to write. (True, it wasn't
more than a couple of minutes, but you couldn't know that). Also, you
don't know that I spent the whole of the elapsed time writing them.
Assisting in your education may have been just a background task while
I was doing something else.

>And 3 new aka's for the killfile, too.

I don't think I'm likely to run out.

>Let's talk about Homeworld. You seem to know *something* about it, at
>least.

Why do you want to talk about homeworld? It's off topic for this
froup.

>Isla

It's so nice when newbies pick things up as quickly as you seem to
have. It takes some people years to learn good netiquette, but you
are beginning to pick things up after just a few days. I wish all
"Septemberers" were as receptive as you.

http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/S/September-that-never-ended.html

HTH,

Lemming
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:08 am
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:04:31 -0500, "balthazor31503"
<balthazor31503.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>i read an earlier post on this but wanted some fresh opinions. i've
>researched NEXUS: the jupiter incident; starhatter; and darkspace. what
>i'm wondering are there space sim out there that are mmporg's ? Are these
>them? i know about sw galaxies. i have it just don't play it anymore. the
>framrate got so bad in the citys that you could hardly play it and i was
>on a cable modem. What do you think of the above three?

I very much recommend you get the demos, if available. I did not like
Starshatter much (bought the full game), and was unimpressed with the
NEXUS demo. I know nothing of Darkspace.


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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:13 pm
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"Rodent" <rodent DeleteThis @bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:19:32 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley DeleteThis @olywa.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:05:37 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1 DeleteThis @san.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Isla Nublar" <not DeleteThis @this.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:cbmi11920bet478rntfn2l433mekrj6lsh@4ax.com...
> >> >> You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll.
>
> I've been called worse.

*And* by people in a position to know better.

> >> >>And you've hit
> >> >> my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for me.
> >> >> Ten years in usenet,
>
> Ten years, by Kibo. That is a very long time to go without a clue.

Your Kibology will get you nowhere, mefears.

> >"In" usenet? Sort of like in "Tron"?
> >
> >> >> and no one before you has been able to convince
> >> >> me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I guess.
> >> >
> >> >Lemming does have a strong personal zeal for excellence.
> >
> >I've noticed his personal zeal is particularly strong after he's had a go
at
> >the rollmop herring.
> >
> >> Back in September 2004 s/he posted a couple of messages that actually
> >> had CONTENT about space-sims.
>
> I sincerely doubt that. I haven't posted anything about space-sims on
> here since about September 1999. Not since I realised that space-sims
> were off topic on this froup.
>
> >De gustibus non est disputandum: even Homer nods.
>
> Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.

Why should the toga wearers miss out?

> >> For quite some time before that, and
> >> since from what I can see, Lemming's posts are just sniping about
> >> netiquette with frequent forays into uncalled for nastiness.
>
> Uh, oh ... I've been googled.

I'll bet s/he skipped the ones on a.h.b-o-u.

> >> The right way to handle that is to start a .moderated group and become
> >> the totalitarian dick you want to be.
>
> When your mommy said "you should say 'please' and 'thank-you'" did you
> call her a totalitarian bitch-cow?

Maybe Mrs. Nublar deserved it. Any mother who names her child "Isla" isn't
likely to be "the right sort of people," if you pay any attention to that
sort of thing.

> When your teachers at school
> suggested you write in ink rather than crayon, did you tell them they
> will be first against the wall when the revolution comes?

That's a good one, Rod. For all we know, Isla may still be posting to
usenet in crayon.

> Do you
> killfile everyone who points out your dismal lack of netiquette? If
> so, your bit-bucket must be fuller than DKS's.
>
> >> Also, I would appreciate a pointer to the FAQ.
>
> I'm still writing it. More accurately, I'm still waiting for someone
> to ask some questions which aren't about Derek Smart.
>
> >Here is the archive you requested:
> >
> >http://www.jonathonrobinson.com/3.0/web/webtsos.html
>
> Yer a funny guy, Bret. Or so Br d tells me.

He didn't mean funny "ha ha".

> Where is Br d anyway?

Dunno. I was in the process of inviting myself over to his house this
summer when he suddenly disappeared. I'm sure he'll turn up again any time
now.

> >> /*
> >> ** "Quack!"
> >> */
> >
> >Your onomatopoeia is inpherior.
>
> Since Ms. Nubbler has me killfiled, I can't read any of her posts, but
> I do think the following link might be of use to her:
>
> http://www.soft-land.org/cgi-bin/doc.pl?doc=documenti/welcome
>
> Do you think she's getting a clue yet, after her whole ten days on -
> sorry *in* - usenet?

Well, that's one for the FAQ. Proposed answer: "One night in Usenet and
the world's your oyster."

Bret AKA Bret
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:19 pm
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:02:28 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1 DeleteThis @san.rr.com>
wrote:

>
>I've spent 90 mins playing the game if you wanna count loading and reloading
>trying to get the freebie version to work. But what does that have to do
>with anti-social academic frauds?
>
Sorry Bill, but spending 90 mins playing the FREE release of BC3K 2.09
doesn't actually qualify you as a BC expert.

If you are interested, I'd be more then happy to send you my boxed
copy of BCM (along with the 1.09.01 patch burned to CD),
free-o-charge, and then you can judge the game on it's merits instead
of your preconceived prejudices

It's curious though, I've never had any problems installing or running
that free release copy of BC3K. Granted, the game is moody as hell,
won't work with certain video/sound-drivers (then there is that damn
annoying save-game bug that will rise up and bite you in the ass), but
it isn't any more or less crash-prone then most games from the era.

BCM is far more stable and doesn't suffer for most of BC3K's
shortcomings. It's not perfect software, but what is?

As far as "anti-social academic frauds", being an anti-social,
beer-drinking stoner doesn't give me a whole lot of room to critisize.
You are much more "morally centered", so I will have to take your word
for it.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:35 pm
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:09:42 +0000, Rodent
<rodent RemoveThis @bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>
>>> Also, I would appreciate a pointer to the FAQ.
>
>I'm still writing it. More accurately, I'm still waiting for someone
>to ask some questions which aren't about Derek Smart.
>
Oh please, there are plenty of posts here at s-s that have nothing to
do with Mr. "SC" Smart.

I have a question: What's the best way to get marines deployed into a
hostile mission-zone, WITHOUT triggering the early-warning radar and
activating the barracks and launch-pads? (OTS nukes are not allowed,
as they are the pussy's way out!)

>>Here is the archive you requested:
>>
>>http://www.jonathonrobinson.com/3.0/web/webtsos.html
>
>Yer a funny guy, Bret. Or so Br d tells me. Where is Br d anyway?
>

Where is Br d? Is he on Hiatus or something?


>Do you think she's getting a clue yet, after her whole ten days on -
>sorry *in* - usenet?
>
>Lemming AKA Rodent
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:45 pm
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"Shingen" <shingen.TakeThisOut@aolsuks.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:09:42 +0000, Rodent
> <rodent.TakeThisOut@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >>> Also, I would appreciate a pointer to the FAQ.
> >
> >I'm still writing it. More accurately, I'm still waiting for someone
> >to ask some questions which aren't about Derek Smart.
> >
> Oh please, there are plenty of posts here at s-s that have nothing to
> do with Mr. "SC" Smart.
>
> I have a question: What's the best way to get marines deployed into a
> hostile mission-zone, WITHOUT triggering the early-warning radar and
> activating the barracks and launch-pads? (OTS nukes are not allowed,
> as they are the pussy's way out!)

Have you tried dressing the marines up as a troupe of lost, hungry actors?

> >>Here is the archive you requested:
> >>
> >>http://www.jonathonrobinson.com/3.0/web/webtsos.html
> >
> >Yer a funny guy, Bret. Or so Br d tells me. Where is Br d anyway?
> >
>
> Where is Br d? Is he on Hiatus or something?

Huh. I had no idea Hiatus was a Class M planet.

Bret
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:52 pm
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:45:29 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley.DeleteThis@olywa.net>
wrote:

>Have you tried dressing the marines up as a troupe of lost, hungry actors?
>

Sadly, that option doesn't exist within the TacOps command pallete.

>> >>Here is the archive you requested:
>> >>
>> >>http://www.jonathonrobinson.com/3.0/web/webtsos.html
>> >
>> >Yer a funny guy, Bret. Or so Br d tells me. Where is Br d anyway?
>> >
>>
>> Where is Br d? Is he on Hiatus or something?
>
>Huh. I had no idea Hiatus was a Class M planet.
>

It isn't...but your Trekiness is showing. =P

>Bret
>
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:35 pm
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:35:08 GMT, Shingen
<shingen.DeleteThis@aolsuks.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:09:42 +0000, Rodent
><rodent.DeleteThis@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I'm still writing it. More accurately, I'm still waiting for someone
>>to ask some questions which aren't about Derek Smart.
>>
>Oh please, there are plenty of posts here at s-s that have nothing to
>do with Mr. "SC" Smart.

They don't count, since any posts not about Doktor Smart or his game
are off topic for this froup.

>I have a question: What's the best way to get marines deployed into a
>hostile mission-zone, WITHOUT triggering the early-warning radar and
>activating the barracks and launch-pads? (OTS nukes are not allowed,
>as they are the pussy's way out!)

That's a question about DKS' game, so it amounts to the same thing.

Ok, so that's the first question for the FAQ.

Umm.

Any offers for the answer?

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:39 pm
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:13:52 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley.DeleteThis@olywa.net>
wrote:

>"Rodent" <rodent.DeleteThis@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:p7sk11h3m5787tc7o47kj6brso5h937a3g@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:19:32 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley.DeleteThis@olywa.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:05:37 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1.DeleteThis@san.rr.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Isla Nublar" <not.DeleteThis@this.net> wrote in message
>> >> >news:cbmi11920bet478rntfn2l433mekrj6lsh@4ax.com...
>> >> >> You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll.
>>
>> I've been called worse.
>
>*And* by people in a position to know better.

Hell, *I* have called me worse than that.

>> >> >>And you've hit
>> >> >> my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for me.
>> >> >> Ten years in usenet,
>>
>> Ten years, by Kibo. That is a very long time to go without a clue.
>
>Your Kibology will get you nowhere, mefears.

It's got me this far.

>> >"In" usenet? Sort of like in "Tron"?
>> >
>> >> >> and no one before you has been able to convince
>> >> >> me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I guess.
>> >> >
>> >> >Lemming does have a strong personal zeal for excellence.
>> >
>> >I've noticed his personal zeal is particularly strong after he's had a go
>at
>> >the rollmop herring.
>> >
>> >> Back in September 2004 s/he posted a couple of messages that actually
>> >> had CONTENT about space-sims.
>>
>> I sincerely doubt that. I haven't posted anything about space-sims on
>> here since about September 1999. Not since I realised that space-sims
>> were off topic on this froup.
>>
>> >De gustibus non est disputandum: even Homer nods.
>>
>> Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.
>
>Why should the toga wearers miss out?

Good point. They can join the queue.

>> >> For quite some time before that, and
>> >> since from what I can see, Lemming's posts are just sniping about
>> >> netiquette with frequent forays into uncalled for nastiness.
>>
>> Uh, oh ... I've been googled.
>
>I'll bet s/he skipped the ones on a.h.b-o-u.

I hate it when that happens.

>> >> The right way to handle that is to start a .moderated group and become
>> >> the totalitarian dick you want to be.
>>
>> When your mommy said "you should say 'please' and 'thank-you'" did you
>> call her a totalitarian bitch-cow?
>
>Maybe Mrs. Nublar deserved it. Any mother who names her child "Isla" isn't
>likely to be "the right sort of people," if you pay any attention to that
>sort of thing.
>
>> When your teachers at school
>> suggested you write in ink rather than crayon, did you tell them they
>> will be first against the wall when the revolution comes?
>
>That's a good one, Rod. For all we know, Isla may still be posting to
>usenet in crayon.

Posting *in* usenet, Mr. Bret. *In* usenet.

>> Do you
>> killfile everyone who points out your dismal lack of netiquette? If
>> so, your bit-bucket must be fuller than DKS's.
>>
>> >> Also, I would appreciate a pointer to the FAQ.
>>
>> I'm still writing it. More accurately, I'm still waiting for someone
>> to ask some questions which aren't about Derek Smart.
>>
>> >Here is the archive you requested:
>> >
>> >http://www.jonathonrobinson.com/3.0/web/webtsos.html
>>
>> Yer a funny guy, Bret. Or so Br d tells me.
>
>He didn't mean funny "ha ha".

Do you see anybody laughing?

>> Where is Br d anyway?
>
>Dunno. I was in the process of inviting myself over to his house this
>summer when he suddenly disappeared.

I'm starting to see a connection.

>I'm sure he'll turn up again any time
>now.

Seriously though, I do know what happened. He got plastered one night
and trashed his computer by deleting most of the system files out of
his Windoze directory. That would have been a good thing, but he
forgot to install Linux first.

Yes, that really *is* what happened. Would I lie to you?

>> >> /*
>> >> ** "Quack!"
>> >> */
>> >
>> >Your onomatopoeia is inpherior.
>>
>> Since Ms. Nubbler has me killfiled, I can't read any of her posts, but
>> I do think the following link might be of use to her:
>>
>> http://www.soft-land.org/cgi-bin/doc.pl?doc=documenti/welcome
>>
>> Do you think she's getting a clue yet, after her whole ten days on -
>> sorry *in* - usenet?
>
>Well, that's one for the FAQ. Proposed answer: "One night in Usenet and
>the world's your oyster."
>
>Bret AKA Bret

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(Msg. 25) Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:02 am
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On or about 2/22/2005 2:39:44 PM, Lemming
<thiswillbounce RemoveThis @bumblbee.demon.co.uk> said:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:13:52 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley RemoveThis @olywa.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"Rodent" <rodent RemoveThis @bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:p7sk11h3m5787tc7o47kj6brso5h937a3g@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:19:32 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley RemoveThis @olywa.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:05:37 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1 RemoveThis @san.rr.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Isla Nublar" <not RemoveThis @this.net> wrote in message
>>> >> >news:cbmi11920bet478rntfn2l433mekrj6lsh@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll.
>>>
>>> I've been called worse.
>>
>>*And* by people in a position to know better.
>
> Hell, *I* have called me worse than that.

Please note that your zeal for personal excellence has already been noted.

>>> >> >>And you've hit
>>> >> >> my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for me.
>>> >> >> Ten years in usenet,
>>>
>>> Ten years, by Kibo. That is a very long time to go without a clue.
>>
>>Your Kibology will get you nowhere, mefears.
>
> It's got me this far.

Please don't make me repeat myself.

>>> >"In" usenet? Sort of like in "Tron"?
>>> >
>>> >> >> and no one before you has been able to convince
>>> >> >> me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I guess.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Lemming does have a strong personal zeal for excellence.
>>> >
>>> >I've noticed his personal zeal is particularly strong after he's had a go
>>at
>>> >the rollmop herring.
>>> >
>>> >> Back in September 2004 s/he posted a couple of messages that actually
>>> >> had CONTENT about space-sims.
>>>
>>> I sincerely doubt that. I haven't posted anything about space-sims on
>>> here since about September 1999. Not since I realised that space-sims
>>> were off topic on this froup.
>>>
>>> >De gustibus non est disputandum: even Homer nods.
>>>
>>> Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.
>>
>>Why should the toga wearers miss out?
>
> Good point. They can join the queue.

In lieu of the queue they can join the line. (I'm on thin ice here, I
know.)

>>> >> For quite some time before that, and
>>> >> since from what I can see, Lemming's posts are just sniping about
>>> >> netiquette with frequent forays into uncalled for nastiness.
>>>
>>> Uh, oh ... I've been googled.
>>
>>I'll bet s/he skipped the ones on a.h.b-o-u.
>
> I hate it when that happens.
>
>>> >> The right way to handle that is to start a .moderated group and become
>>> >> the totalitarian dick you want to be.
>>>
>>> When your mommy said "you should say 'please' and 'thank-you'" did you
>>> call her a totalitarian bitch-cow?
>>
>>Maybe Mrs. Nublar deserved it. Any mother who names her child "Isla" isn't
>>likely to be "the right sort of people," if you pay any attention to that
>>sort of thing.
>>
>>> When your teachers at school
>>> suggested you write in ink rather than crayon, did you tell them they
>>> will be first against the wall when the revolution comes?
>>
>>That's a good one, Rod. For all we know, Isla may still be posting to
>>usenet in crayon.
>
> Posting *in* usenet, Mr. Bret. *In* usenet.

*In* usenet. *In* crayon. *In*conceivable.

>>> Do you
>>> killfile everyone who points out your dismal lack of netiquette? If
>>> so, your bit-bucket must be fuller than DKS's.
>>>
>>> >> Also, I would appreciate a pointer to the FAQ.
>>>
>>> I'm still writing it. More accurately, I'm still waiting for someone
>>> to ask some questions which aren't about Derek Smart.
>>>
>>> >Here is the archive you requested:
>>> >
>>> >http://www.jonathonrobinson.com/3.0/web/webtsos.html
>>>
>>> Yer a funny guy, Bret. Or so Br d tells me.
>>
>>He didn't mean funny "ha ha".
>
> Do you see anybody laughing?

I can't see a bloody thing: my optical mouse is on the blink.

>>> Where is Br d anyway?
>>
>>Dunno. I was in the process of inviting myself over to his house this
>>summer when he suddenly disappeared.
>
> I'm starting to see a connection.

Reply hazy, try again.

>>I'm sure he'll turn up again any time
>>now.
>
> Seriously though, I do know what happened. He got plastered one night
> and trashed his computer by deleting most of the system files out of
> his Windoze directory. That would have been a good thing, but he
> forgot to install Linux first.
>
> Yes, that really *is* what happened. Would I lie to you?

Your question reminds me of a story I'm about to make up: one day, a wee
lad was walking down a garden path when he noticed a butterfly resting on
an acorn squash. The wee lad says to himself, "cor blimey," he says, "that
butterfly is resting on that acorn squash and no mistake," he said. Then
the wee lad took his cricket bat (which he was carrying all along but I
forgot to mention earlier) and smashed the butterfly, the acorn squash, and
the family of small black beetles that happened to be using the acorn
squash as a summer home.

Later that very same day, the wee lad's grandfather was walking in the
garden, and discovered the smashed, broken bodies of several small black
beetles scattered about near the smashed acorn squash. Being perhaps a bit
of a coleopterist and altogether insensible to the smashed butterfly, the
grandfather gathered up the remains of the smashed black beetles and took
them to his secret underground laboratory for further study. After
determining that the smashed black beetles were of a type thought to be
extinct, he grew very angry and went looking for little Timmy (which was
the name of the wee lad with the cricket bat I forgot to mention). The
grandfather found little Timmy and accused him of smashing the small black
thought to be extinct beetles.

Little Timmy, being perhaps a bit of a lepidopterist and altogether
insensible to the smashed beetles, truthfully denied smashing those
particular insects, but quickly copped to smashing the butterfly and the
acorn squash (which no one seemed to care much about). Then little Timmy
smashed his grandfather's skull with the cricket bat I forgot to mention he
was still carrying.

So, to answer your question:

> Yes, that really *is* what happened. Would I lie to you?

The veracity of words are often rendered immaterial by what is done with
the cricket bat.

But enough about Iraq.

{whistles}

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(Msg. 26) Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:05 am
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On or about 2/22/2005 12:52:45 PM, Shingen <shingen.DeleteThis@aolsuks.sbcglobal.net>
said:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:45:29 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley.DeleteThis@olywa.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Have you tried dressing the marines up as a troupe of lost, hungry actors?
>>
>
> Sadly, that option doesn't exist within the TacOps command pallete.

Circus performers?

>>> >>Here is the archive you requested:
>>> >>
>>> >>http://www.jonathonrobinson.com/3.0/web/webtsos.html
>>> >
>>> >Yer a funny guy, Bret. Or so Br d tells me. Where is Br d anyway?
>>> >
>>>
>>> Where is Br d? Is he on Hiatus or something?
>>
>>Huh. I had no idea Hiatus was a Class M planet.
>>
>
> It isn't...but your Trekiness is showing. =P

Shields down, warp engines offline, taking evasive actions.

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(Msg. 27) Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:10 am
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:02:33 -0800, Bret Ripley <ripley.RemoveThis@olywa.net>
wrote:

>On or about 2/22/2005 2:39:44 PM, Lemming
><thiswillbounce.RemoveThis@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> said:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:13:52 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley.RemoveThis@olywa.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Rodent" <rodent.RemoveThis@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:p7sk11h3m5787tc7o47kj6brso5h937a3g@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:19:32 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley.RemoveThis@olywa.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:05:37 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1.RemoveThis@san.rr.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"Isla Nublar" <not.RemoveThis@this.net> wrote in message
>>>> >> >news:cbmi11920bet478rntfn2l433mekrj6lsh@4ax.com...
>>>> >> >> You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll.
>>>>
>>>> I've been called worse.
>>>
>>>*And* by people in a position to know better.
>>
>> Hell, *I* have called me worse than that.
>
>Please note that your zeal for personal excellence has already been noted.
>
>>>> >> >>And you've hit
>>>> >> >> my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for me.
>>>> >> >> Ten years in usenet,
>>>>
>>>> Ten years, by Kibo. That is a very long time to go without a clue.
>>>
>>>Your Kibology will get you nowhere, mefears.
>>
>> It's got me this far.
>
>Please don't make me repeat myself.

It's got me this far.

>>>> >"In" usenet? Sort of like in "Tron"?
>>>> >
>>>> >> >> and no one before you has been able to convince
>>>> >> >> me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I guess.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Lemming does have a strong personal zeal for excellence.
>>>> >
>>>> >I've noticed his personal zeal is particularly strong after he's had a go
>>>at
>>>> >the rollmop herring.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Back in September 2004 s/he posted a couple of messages that actually
>>>> >> had CONTENT about space-sims.
>>>>
>>>> I sincerely doubt that. I haven't posted anything about space-sims on
>>>> here since about September 1999. Not since I realised that space-sims
>>>> were off topic on this froup.
>>>>
>>>> >De gustibus non est disputandum: even Homer nods.
>>>>
>>>> Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.
>>>
>>>Why should the toga wearers miss out?
>>
>> Good point. They can join the queue.
>
>In lieu of the queue they can join the line. (I'm on thin ice here, I
>know.)
>
>>>> >> For quite some time before that, and
>>>> >> since from what I can see, Lemming's posts are just sniping about
>>>> >> netiquette with frequent forays into uncalled for nastiness.
>>>>
>>>> Uh, oh ... I've been googled.
>>>
>>>I'll bet s/he skipped the ones on a.h.b-o-u.
>>
>> I hate it when that happens.
>>
>>>> >> The right way to handle that is to start a .moderated group and become
>>>> >> the totalitarian dick you want to be.
>>>>
>>>> When your mommy said "you should say 'please' and 'thank-you'" did you
>>>> call her a totalitarian bitch-cow?
>>>
>>>Maybe Mrs. Nublar deserved it. Any mother who names her child "Isla" isn't
>>>likely to be "the right sort of people," if you pay any attention to that
>>>sort of thing.
>>>
>>>> When your teachers at school
>>>> suggested you write in ink rather than crayon, did you tell them they
>>>> will be first against the wall when the revolution comes?
>>>
>>>That's a good one, Rod. For all we know, Isla may still be posting to
>>>usenet in crayon.
>>
>> Posting *in* usenet, Mr. Bret. *In* usenet.
>
>*In* usenet. *In* crayon. *In*conceivable.

*In*dubitably.

>>>> Do you
>>>> killfile everyone who points out your dismal lack of netiquette? If
>>>> so, your bit-bucket must be fuller than DKS's.
>>>>
>>>> >> Also, I would appreciate a pointer to the FAQ.
>>>>
>>>> I'm still writing it. More accurately, I'm still waiting for someone
>>>> to ask some questions which aren't about Derek Smart.
>>>>
>>>> >Here is the archive you requested:
>>>> >
>>>> >http://www.jonathonrobinson.com/3.0/web/webtsos.html
>>>>
>>>> Yer a funny guy, Bret. Or so Br d tells me.
>>>
>>>He didn't mean funny "ha ha".
>>
>> Do you see anybody laughing?
>
>I can't see a bloody thing: my optical mouse is on the blink.
>
>>>> Where is Br d anyway?
>>>
>>>Dunno. I was in the process of inviting myself over to his house this
>>>summer when he suddenly disappeared.
>>
>> I'm starting to see a connection.
>
>Reply hazy, try again.
>
>>>I'm sure he'll turn up again any time
>>>now.
>>
>> Seriously though, I do know what happened. He got plastered one night
>> and trashed his computer by deleting most of the system files out of
>> his Windoze directory. That would have been a good thing, but he
>> forgot to install Linux first.
>>
>> Yes, that really *is* what happened. Would I lie to you?
>
>Your question reminds me of a story I'm about to make up:


But ... but ... I did't make it up. That really is what happened. At
least, that's what Br d *told* me is what happened.

Update: apparently Br d has managed to get his integrity-challenged
computer working for long enough to download a few posts from this
froup, and realise that people have been asking after him. He emailed
me to ask me to express his thanks for you all missing him. Isn't
that sweet?

I notice he didn't email you. I guess he likes me best, after all.

> one day, a wee
>lad was walking down a garden path when he noticed a butterfly resting on
>an acorn squash. The wee lad says to himself, "cor blimey," he says, "that
>butterfly is resting on that acorn squash and no mistake," he said. Then
>the wee lad took his cricket bat (which he was carrying all along but I
>forgot to mention earlier) and smashed the butterfly, the acorn squash, and
>the family of small black beetles that happened to be using the acorn
>squash as a summer home.
>
>Later that very same day, the wee lad's grandfather was walking in the
>garden, and discovered the smashed, broken bodies of several small black
>beetles scattered about near the smashed acorn squash. Being perhaps a bit
>of a coleopterist and altogether insensible to the smashed butterfly, the
>grandfather gathered up the remains of the smashed black beetles and took
>them to his secret underground laboratory for further study. After
>determining that the smashed black beetles were of a type thought to be
>extinct, he grew very angry and went looking for little Timmy (which was
>the name of the wee lad with the cricket bat I forgot to mention). The
>grandfather found little Timmy and accused him of smashing the small black
>thought to be extinct beetles.
>
>Little Timmy, being perhaps a bit of a lepidopterist and altogether
>insensible to the smashed beetles, truthfully denied smashing those
>particular insects, but quickly copped to smashing the butterfly and the
>acorn squash (which no one seemed to care much about). Then little Timmy
>smashed his grandfather's skull with the cricket bat I forgot to mention he
>was still carrying.
>
>So, to answer your question:
>
>> Yes, that really *is* what happened. Would I lie to you?
>
>The veracity of words are often rendered immaterial by what is done with
>the cricket bat.
>
>But enough about Iraq.
>
>{whistles}

What's an Acorn Squash?

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(Msg. 28) Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:10 am
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:10:13 +0000, Lemming wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:02:33 -0800, Bret Ripley <ripley.DeleteThis@olywa.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On or about 2/22/2005 2:39:44 PM, Lemming
>><thiswillbounce.DeleteThis@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> said:
>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:13:52 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley.DeleteThis@olywa.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Rodent" <rodent.DeleteThis@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>news:p7sk11h3m5787tc7o47kj6brso5h937a3g@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:19:32 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley.DeleteThis@olywa.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:05:37 GMT, "Bill Huffman" <bhuffma1.DeleteThis@san.rr.com>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >"Isla Nublar" <not.DeleteThis@this.net> wrote in message
>>>>> >> >news:cbmi11920bet478rntfn2l433mekrj6lsh@4ax.com...
>>>>> >> >> You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been called worse.
>>>>
>>>>*And* by people in a position to know better.
>>>
>>> Hell, *I* have called me worse than that.
>>
>>Please note that your zeal for personal excellence has already been noted.
>>
>>>>> >> >>And you've hit
>>>>> >> >> my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for me.
>>>>> >> >> Ten years in usenet,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ten years, by Kibo. That is a very long time to go without a clue.
>>>>
>>>>Your Kibology will get you nowhere, mefears.
>>>
>>> It's got me this far.
>>
>>Please don't make me repeat myself.
>
> It's got me this far.

Your Kibology will get you nowhere, mefears.

>>>>> >"In" usenet? Sort of like in "Tron"?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> >> and no one before you has been able to convince
>>>>> >> >> me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I guess.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Lemming does have a strong personal zeal for excellence.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I've noticed his personal zeal is particularly strong after he's had a go
>>>>at
>>>>> >the rollmop herring.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Back in September 2004 s/he posted a couple of messages that actually
>>>>> >> had CONTENT about space-sims.
>>>>>
>>>>> I sincerely doubt that. I haven't posted anything about space-sims on
>>>>> here since about September 1999. Not since I realised that space-sims
>>>>> were off topic on this froup.
>>>>>
>>>>> >De gustibus non est disputandum: even Homer nods.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.
>>>>
>>>>Why should the toga wearers miss out?
>>>
>>> Good point. They can join the queue.
>>
>>In lieu of the queue they can join the line. (I'm on thin ice here, I
>>know.)
>>
>>>>> >> For quite some time before that, and
>>>>> >> since from what I can see, Lemming's posts are just sniping about
>>>>> >> netiquette with frequent forays into uncalled for nastiness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Uh, oh ... I've been googled.
>>>>
>>>>I'll bet s/he skipped the ones on a.h.b-o-u.
>>>
>>> I hate it when that happens.
>>>
>>>>> >> The right way to handle that is to start a .moderated group and become
>>>>> >> the totalitarian dick you want to be.
>>>>>
>>>>> When your mommy said "you should say 'please' and 'thank-you'" did you
>>>>> call her a totalitarian bitch-cow?
>>>>
>>>>Maybe Mrs. Nublar deserved it. Any mother who names her child "Isla" isn't
>>>>likely to be "the right sort of people," if you pay any attention to that
>>>>sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>>> When your teachers at school
>>>>> suggested you write in ink rather than crayon, did you tell them they
>>>>> will be first against the wall when the revolution comes?
>>>>
>>>>That's a good one, Rod. For all we know, Isla may still be posting to
>>>>usenet in crayon.
>>>
>>> Posting *in* usenet, Mr. Bret. *In* usenet.
>>
>>*In* usenet. *In* crayon. *In*conceivable.
>
> *In*dubitably.

*In*deed?

>>>>> Do you
>>>>> killfile everyone who points out your dismal lack of netiquette? If
>>>>> so, your bit-bucket must be fuller than DKS's.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Also, I would appreciate a pointer to the FAQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still writing it. More accurately, I'm still waiting for someone
>>>>> to ask some questions which aren't about Derek Smart.
>>>>>
>>>>> >Here is the archive you requested:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >http://www.jonathonrobinson.com/3.0/web/webtsos.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Yer a funny guy, Bret. Or so Br d tells me.
>>>>
>>>>He didn't mean funny "ha ha".
>>>
>>> Do you see anybody laughing?
>>
>>I can't see a bloody thing: my optical mouse is on the blink.
>>
>>>>> Where is Br d anyway?
>>>>
>>>>Dunno. I was in the process of inviting myself over to his house this
>>>>summer when he suddenly disappeared.
>>>
>>> I'm starting to see a connection.
>>
>>Reply hazy, try again.
>>
>>>>I'm sure he'll turn up again any time
>>>>now.
>>>
>>> Seriously though, I do know what happened. He got plastered one night
>>> and trashed his computer by deleting most of the system files out of
>>> his Windoze directory. That would have been a good thing, but he
>>> forgot to install Linux first.
>>>
>>> Yes, that really *is* what happened. Would I lie to you?
>>
>>Your question reminds me of a story I'm about to make up:
>
>
> But ... but ... I did't make it up. That really is what happened. At
> least, that's what Br d *told* me is what happened.

Your credulity is noted.

> Update: apparently Br d has managed to get his integrity-challenged
> computer working for long enough to download a few posts from this
> froup, and realise that people have been asking after him. He emailed
> me to ask me to express his thanks for you all missing him. Isn't
> that sweet?

*sniff* I'm going all misty.

> I notice he didn't email you. I guess he likes me best, after all.

Nah. His puter prolly can't e-mail long distance.

>> one day, a wee
>>lad was walking down a garden path when he noticed a butterfly resting on
>>an acorn squash. The wee lad says to himself, "cor blimey," he says, "that
>>butterfly is resting on that acorn squash and no mistake," he said. Then
>>the wee lad took his cricket bat (which he was carrying all along but I
>>forgot to mention earlier) and smashed the butterfly, the acorn squash, and
>>the family of small black beetles that happened to be using the acorn
>>squash as a summer home.
>>
>>Later that very same day, the wee lad's grandfather was walking in the
>>garden, and discovered the smashed, broken bodies of several small black
>>beetles scattered about near the smashed acorn squash. Being perhaps a bit
>>of a coleopterist and altogether insensible to the smashed butterfly, the
>>grandfather gathered up the remains of the smashed black beetles and took
>>them to his secret underground laboratory for further study. After
>>determining that the smashed black beetles were of a type thought to be
>>extinct, he grew very angry and went looking for little Timmy (which was
>>the name of the wee lad with the cricket bat I forgot to mention). The
>>grandfather found little Timmy and accused him of smashing the small black
>>thought to be extinct beetles.
>>
>>Little Timmy, being perhaps a bit of a lepidopterist and altogether
>>insensible to the smashed beetles, truthfully denied smashing those
>>particular insects, but quickly copped to smashing the butterfly and the
>>acorn squash (which no one seemed to care much about). Then little Timmy
>>smashed his grandfather's skull with the cricket bat I forgot to mention he
>>was still carrying.
>>
>>So, to answer your question:
>>
>>> Yes, that really *is* what happened. Would I lie to you?
>>
>>The veracity of words are often rendered immaterial by what is done with
>>the cricket bat.
>>
>>But enough about Iraq.
>>
>>{whistles}
>
> What's an Acorn Squash?

Question 2 for the FAQ.

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(Msg. 29) Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:13 am
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"Bret Ripley" <ripley.RemoveThis@olywa.net> wrote in message
news:17xx4zv11i6rl$.no248wj6tewb$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On or about 2/22/2005 2:39:44 PM, Lemming
> <thiswillbounce.RemoveThis@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> said:
> > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:13:52 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley.RemoveThis@olywa.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>"Rodent" <rodent.RemoveThis@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >>news:p7sk11h3m5787tc7o47kj6brso5h937a3g@4ax.com...
> >>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:19:32 GMT, "Bret Ripley" <ripley.RemoveThis@olywa.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 06:05:37 GMT, "Bill Huffman"
<bhuffma1.RemoveThis@san.rr.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >"Isla Nublar" <not.RemoveThis@this.net> wrote in message
> >>> >> >news:cbmi11920bet478rntfn2l433mekrj6lsh@4ax.com...
> >>> >> >> You're not a Lemming. You're a pernicious little troll.
> >>>
> >>> I've been called worse.
> >>
> >>*And* by people in a position to know better.
> >
> > Hell, *I* have called me worse than that.
>
> Please note that your zeal for personal excellence has already been noted.
>
> >>> >> >>And you've hit
> >>> >> >> my killfile after only two posts, which has to be a record for
me.
> >>> >> >> Ten years in usenet,
> >>>
> >>> Ten years, by Kibo. That is a very long time to go without a clue.
> >>
> >>Your Kibology will get you nowhere, mefears.
> >
> > It's got me this far.
>
> Please don't make me repeat myself.
>
> >>> >"In" usenet? Sort of like in "Tron"?
> >>> >
> >>> >> >> and no one before you has been able to convince
> >>> >> >> me so quickly of his complete uselessness. Congratulations, I
guess.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >Lemming does have a strong personal zeal for excellence.
> >>> >
> >>> >I've noticed his personal zeal is particularly strong after he's had
a go
> >>at
> >>> >the rollmop herring.
> >>> >
> >>> >> Back in September 2004 s/he posted a couple of messages that
actually
> >>> >> had CONTENT about space-sims.
> >>>
> >>> I sincerely doubt that. I haven't posted anything about space-sims on
> >>> here since about September 1999. Not since I realised that space-sims
> >>> were off topic on this froup.
> >>>
> >>> >De gustibus non est disputandum: even Homer nods.
> >>>
> >>> Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.
> >>
> >>Why should the toga wearers miss out?
> >
> > Good point. They can join the queue.
>
> In lieu of the queue they can join the line. (I'm on thin ice here, I
> know.)
>
> >>> >> For quite some time before that, and
> >>> >> since from what I can see, Lemming's posts are just sniping about
> >>> >> netiquette with frequent forays into uncalled for nastiness.
> >>>
> >>> Uh, oh ... I've been googled.
> >>
> >>I'll bet s/he skipped the ones on a.h.b-o-u.
> >
> > I hate it when that happens.
> >
> >>> >> The right way to handle that is to start a .moderated group and
become
> >>> >> the totalitarian dick you want to be.
> >>>
> >>> When your mommy said "you should say 'please' and 'thank-you'" did you
> >>> call her a totalitarian bitch-cow?
> >>
> >>Maybe Mrs. Nublar deserved it. Any mother who names her child "Isla"
isn't
> >>likely to be "the right sort of people," if you pay any attention to
that
> >>sort of thing.
> >>
> >>> When your teachers at school
> >>> suggested you write in ink rather than crayon, did you tell them they
> >>> will be first against the wall when the revolution comes?
> >>
> >>That's a good one, Rod. For all we know, Isla may still be posting to
> >>usenet in crayon.
> >
> > Posting *in* usenet, Mr. Bret. *In* usenet.
>
> *In* usenet. *In* crayon. *In*conceivable.
>
> >>> Do you
> >>> killfile everyone who points out your dismal lack of netiquette? If
> >>> so, your bit-bucket must be fuller than DKS's.
> >>>
> >>> >> Also, I would appreciate a pointer to the FAQ.
> >>>
> >>> I'm still writing it. More accurately, I'm still waiting for someone
> >>> to ask some questions which aren't about Derek Smart.
> >>>
> >>> >Here is the archive you requested:
> >>> >
> >>> >http://www.jonathonrobinson.com/3.0/web/webtsos.html
> >>>
> >>> Yer a funny guy, Bret. Or so Br d tells me.
> >>
> >>He didn't mean funny "ha ha".
> >
> > Do you see anybody laughing?
>
> I can't see a bloody thing: my optical mouse is on the blink.
>
> >>> Where is Br d anyway?
> >>
> >>Dunno. I was in the process of inviting myself over to his house this
> >>summer when he suddenly disappeared.
> >
> > I'm starting to see a connection.
>
> Reply hazy, try again.
>
> >>I'm sure he'll turn up again any time
> >>now.
> >
> > Seriously though, I do know what happened. He got plastered one night
> > and trashed his computer by deleting most of the system files out of
> > his Windoze directory. That would have been a good thing, but he
> > forgot to install Linux first.
> >
> > Yes, that really *is* what happened. Would I lie to you?
>
> Your question reminds me of a story I'm about to make up: one day, a wee
> lad was walking down a garden path when he noticed a butterfly resting on
> an acorn squash. The wee lad says to himself, "cor blimey," he says,
"that
> butterfly is resting on that acorn squash and no mistake," he said. Then
> the wee lad took his cricket bat (which he was carrying all along but I
> forgot to mention earlier) and smashed the butterfly, the acorn squash,
and
> the family of small black beetles that happened to be using the acorn
> squash as a summer home.
>
> Later that very same day, the wee lad's grandfather was walking in the
> garden, and discovered the smashed, broken bodies of several small black
> beetles scattered about near the smashed acorn squash. Being perhaps a
bit
> of a coleopterist and altogether insensible to the smashed butterfly, the
> grandfather gathered up the remains of the smashed black beetles and took
> them to his secret underground laboratory for further study. After
> determining that the smashed black beetles were of a type thought to be
> extinct, he grew very angry and went looking for little Timmy (which was
> the name of the wee lad with the cricket bat I forgot to mention). The
> grandfather found little Timmy and accused him of smashing the small black
> thought to be extinct beetles.
>
> Little Timmy, being perhaps a bit of a lepidopterist and altogether
> insensible to the smashed beetles, truthfully denied smashing those
> particular insects, but quickly copped to smashing the butterfly and the
> acorn squash (which no one seemed to care much about). Then little Timmy
> smashed his grandfather's skull with the cricket bat I forgot to mention
he
> was still carrying.
>
> So, to answer your question: