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AcydSkull

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:47 pm
Post subject: Which one?
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Let's say you got $20-$40 to spend on one and only one GA aircraft (twin or
single) for FS9...

Of all the payware out there which one is THE most accurate as far as
flight model is concerned when compared with the real thing?

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Ibby

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

I have been a bit of a fan of Carenado. The Cessnas are good. Good price too http://www.carenado.com/ecommerce/navegacion.php3 Yes the Spitfire Oskar recommends is excellent but I have always felt they are almost for 'messing around' in and not for serious flights. I had it for FS9 but just used it mainly for doing loops, spins etc and not for actual short IFR or VFR flight plans. Ibby >> Stay informed about: Which one?

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On May 17, 7:37 pm, Ibby <ibb... RemoveThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > I have been a bit of a fan of Carenado. The Cessnas are good. Good > price toohttp://www.carenado.com/ecommerce/navegacion.php3 > > Yes the Spitfire Oskar recommends is excellent but I have always felt > they are almost for 'messing around' in and not for serious flights. > I had it for FS9 but just used it mainly for doing loops, spins etc > and not for actual short IFR or VFR flight plans. > > Ibby PMDG only provide commercial airline models like Boeing 737 and 747 and MD-11 Ibby >> Stay informed about: Which one?

Dudley Henriques

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Ibby wrote: > I have been a bit of a fan of Carenado. The Cessnas are good. Good > price too > http://www.carenado.com/ecommerce/navegacion.php3 > > Yes the Spitfire Oskar recommends is excellent but I have always felt > they are almost for 'messing around' in and not for serious flights. > I had it for FS9 but just used it mainly for doing loops, spins etc > and not for actual short IFR or VFR flight plans. > > Ibby Hang in there a bit longer. I'm working with a development team right now on an F86 Sabre due to be released in about a month that will be perhaps the most realistic military jet add on ever done for flight simulator. The depth of fidelity, the graphics, and the flight model, all done by the very best devs in the business will be unmatched in my opinion. And yes, this Sabre has a fully functioning IFR instrument and avionics package second to none. The aircraft is fully IFR capable using period instrumentation, complete with ILS capability, ADF capability, and a GPS thrown in if you want it. Keep your eye out on Simflight's main page, as I'll be reviewing this masterpiece as soon as it's released to the community. -- Dudley Henriques >> Stay informed about: Which one?

Tom Garrett

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote in message news:J9edneLcpIWUy7LVnZ2dnUVZ_h3inZ2d@rcn.net... > Ibby wrote: >> I have been a bit of a fan of Carenado. The Cessnas are good. Good >> price too >> http://www.carenado.com/ecommerce/navegacion.php3 >> >> Yes the Spitfire Oskar recommends is excellent but I have always felt >> they are almost for 'messing around' in and not for serious flights. >> I had it for FS9 but just used it mainly for doing loops, spins etc >> and not for actual short IFR or VFR flight plans. >> >> Ibby > > Hang in there a bit longer. I'm working with a development team right now > on an F86 Sabre due to be released in about a month that will be perhaps > the most realistic military jet add on ever done for flight simulator. The > depth of fidelity, the graphics, and the flight model, all done by the > very best devs in the business will be unmatched in my opinion. > And yes, this Sabre has a fully functioning IFR instrument and avionics > package second to none. The aircraft is fully IFR capable using period > instrumentation, complete with ILS capability, ADF capability, and a GPS > thrown in if you want it. > Keep your eye out on Simflight's main page, as I'll be reviewing this > masterpiece as soon as it's released to the community. > > > -- > Dudley Henriques ooh, an F-86!My favorite of the early jets. I have some freeware ones and eagerly look forward to this release, Dudley. Tom inTucson >> Stay informed about: Which one?

Dudley Henriques

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Tom Garrett wrote: > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques.DeleteThis@rcn.com> wrote in message > news:J9edneLcpIWUy7LVnZ2dnUVZ_h3inZ2d@rcn.net... >> Ibby wrote: >>> I have been a bit of a fan of Carenado. The Cessnas are good. Good >>> price too >>> http://www.carenado.com/ecommerce/navegacion.php3 >>> >>> Yes the Spitfire Oskar recommends is excellent but I have always felt >>> they are almost for 'messing around' in and not for serious flights. >>> I had it for FS9 but just used it mainly for doing loops, spins etc >>> and not for actual short IFR or VFR flight plans. >>> >>> Ibby >> Hang in there a bit longer. I'm working with a development team right now >> on an F86 Sabre due to be released in about a month that will be perhaps >> the most realistic military jet add on ever done for flight simulator. The >> depth of fidelity, the graphics, and the flight model, all done by the >> very best devs in the business will be unmatched in my opinion. >> And yes, this Sabre has a fully functioning IFR instrument and avionics >> package second to none. The aircraft is fully IFR capable using period >> instrumentation, complete with ILS capability, ADF capability, and a GPS >> thrown in if you want it. >> Keep your eye out on Simflight's main page, as I'll be reviewing this >> masterpiece as soon as it's released to the community. >> >> >> -- >> Dudley Henriques > > ooh, an F-86!My favorite of the early jets. I have some freeware ones and > eagerly look forward to this release, Dudley. > Tom inTucson > > The one done by Kirk Olsen was a good one. I'd put this new F86 on a whole new level of creative accomplishment. -- Dudley Henriques >> Stay informed about: Which one?

Oskar Wagner

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Hmm, not sure about the price - but in my opinion RealAir SF260 or Spitfire. Absolutely stunning .... -- Oskar - - - - - Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes... "AcydSkull" <acydskull.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:Xns9AA1815B920Elukeatit@216.77.188.18... > Let's say you got $20-$40 to spend on one and only one GA aircraft (twin > or > single) for FS9... > > Of all the payware out there which one is THE most accurate as far as > flight model is concerned when compared with the real thing? >> Stay informed about: Which one?

David Wilson-Okamura

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

There's nothing wrong with the Carenado products, but if you're going to spend your money on just one plane, get the RealAir SF.260. It does everything except land on water: IFR, VFR, aerobatics. Easy on framerates, realistic flight model, best gauges anywhere. Best price for US buyers is probably through Flight1, which has the download version for US$38. >> Stay informed about: Which one?

Slap

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"David Wilson-Okamura" <dswo.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7abef643-535b-4046-b9c7-a09f701b6482@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > There's nothing wrong with the Carenado products, but if you're going > to spend your money on just one plane, get the RealAir SF.260. It does > everything except land on water: IFR, VFR, aerobatics. Easy on > framerates, realistic flight model, best gauges anywhere. Best price > for US buyers is probably through Flight1, which has the download > version for US$38. And if you want to land on water then the Real Air Scout Package - it will do both. Flight1 is a bit cheaper than Real Airs web site. called the American Champion at Flight 1. It is here... http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=amerchamp I bought it about a month ago. Flying it ever since. Fly the amphibian model so I'm now constructing a lake lot 20 minutes out of my home airport. -- dave >> Stay informed about: Which one?

Tom P

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

AcydSkull wrote: > Let's say you got $20-$40 to spend on one and only one GA aircraft (twin or > single) for FS9... > > Of all the payware out there which one is THE most accurate as far as > flight model is concerned when compared with the real thing? Doesn't this raise a basic question? I mean, how accurate can an FS9 flight model be in terms of modelling things like spin, stall recovery, inverted flight etc..? T. >> Stay informed about: Which one?

Erik Selde

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

What about the planes from PMDG`??? "Oskar Wagner" <rengaw.RemoveThis@swissonline.ch> skrev i en meddelelse news:a35d1$482f20fb$50db5c2e$11190@news.hispeed.ch... > Hmm, not sure about the price - but in my opinion RealAir SF260 or > Spitfire. Absolutely stunning .... > -- > Oskar > - - - - - > Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes... > > "AcydSkull" <acydskull.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:Xns9AA1815B920Elukeatit@216.77.188.18... >> Let's say you got $20-$40 to spend on one and only one GA aircraft (twin >> or >> single) for FS9... >> >> Of all the payware out there which one is THE most accurate as far as >> flight model is concerned when compared with the real thing? > > >> Stay informed about: Which one?

Oskar Wagner

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

PMDG - GA (= general aviation) planes? Haven't heard of any... ) -- Oskar - - - - - Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes... "Erik Selde" <erik.selde.TakeThisOut@mail.dk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:482f4ed3$0$56769$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk... > What about the planes from PMDG`??? > "Oskar Wagner" <rengaw.TakeThisOut@swissonline.ch> skrev i en meddelelse > news:a35d1$482f20fb$50db5c2e$11190@news.hispeed.ch... >> Hmm, not sure about the price - but in my opinion RealAir SF260 or >> Spitfire. Absolutely stunning .... >> -- >> Oskar >> - - - - - >> Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes... >> >> "AcydSkull" <acydskull.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >> news:Xns9AA1815B920Elukeatit@216.77.188.18... >>> Let's say you got $20-$40 to spend on one and only one GA aircraft (twin >>> or >>> single) for FS9... >>> >>> Of all the payware out there which one is THE most accurate as far as >>> flight model is concerned when compared with the real thing? >> >> > > >> Stay informed about: Which one?

Erik Selde

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Okay...my english could perhaps be a little better.... "Oskar Wagner" <rengaw RemoveThis @swissonline.ch> skrev i en meddelelse news:9e691$482f5100$50db5c2e$15249@news.hispeed.ch... > PMDG - GA (= general aviation) planes? Haven't heard of any... ) > -- > Oskar > - - - - - > Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes... > > "Erik Selde" <erik.selde RemoveThis @mail.dk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:482f4ed3$0$56769$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk... >> What about the planes from PMDG`??? >> "Oskar Wagner" <rengaw RemoveThis @swissonline.ch> skrev i en meddelelse >> news:a35d1$482f20fb$50db5c2e$11190@news.hispeed.ch... >>> Hmm, not sure about the price - but in my opinion RealAir SF260 or >>> Spitfire. Absolutely stunning .... >>> -- >>> Oskar >>> - - - - - >>> Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes... >>> >>> "AcydSkull" <acydskull RemoveThis @yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >>> news:Xns9AA1815B920Elukeatit@216.77.188.18... >>>> Let's say you got $20-$40 to spend on one and only one GA aircraft >>>> (twin or >>>> single) for FS9... >>>> >>>> Of all the payware out there which one is THE most accurate as far as >>>> flight model is concerned when compared with the real thing? >>> >>> >> >> > > >> Stay informed about: Which one?

Danny

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Likely will have to go to X-Plane for that type of realism. Version 9 just released. But I am sticking with FS9 and FS10. All Carenado planes are a good purchase in my opinion. As is the Twin Otter from Aerosoft or their Beaver for FS9 and FS10. Danny "Tom P" <notreallylgogp.RemoveThis@freenet.de> wrote in message news:698p80F31jpfgU1@mid.individual.net... > AcydSkull wrote: >> Let's say you got $20-$40 to spend on one and only one GA aircraft (twin >> or single) for FS9... Of all the payware out there which one is THE most >> accurate as far as flight model is concerned when compared with the real >> thing? > Doesn't this raise a basic question? I mean, how accurate can an FS9 > flight model be in terms of modelling things like spin, stall recovery, > inverted flight etc..? > > T. > > >> Stay informed about: Which one?

Oskar Wagner

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Which one? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Not necessarily. It's a common misinterpretation that FS 9 or X cannot cope with uncommon flight manoeuvres such as spins, side-slips etc. Particularly FSX shows a great improvement. Even the default Extra 300 side-slips quite well. The eternal battle between FSX and XPlane 9 will go on - but be sure of one important thing: flying on a PC is NEVER realistic ) I use both FSX and XPlane 9 and the comparison - although the calculation method of the aerodynamic model is clearly in favour of XPlane 9 - shows a large variety - also on XPlane models. Using the proper calculation method is one thing - using the proper parameters the other. Funny enough - large transports behave quite strangely - kinda swampy - on XPlane although everyone states that they are extremely realistic. I assume that most of the people that give those statements have never flown a large transport.... -- Oskar - - - - - Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes... "Danny" <danny.mckee @ gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:UcYXj.17$QQ5.7@newsfe07.lga... > Likely will have to go to X-Plane for that type of realism. Version 9 > just released. But I am sticking with FS9 and FS10. > All Carenado planes are a good purchase in my opinion. As is the Twin > Otter from Aerosoft or their Beaver for FS9 and FS10. > Danny > > "Tom P" <notreallylgogp.TakeThisOut@freenet.de> wrote in message > news:698p80F31jpfgU1@mid.individual.net... >> AcydSkull wrote: >>> Let's say you got $20-$40 to spend on one and only one GA aircraft (twin >>> or single) for FS9... Of all the payware out there which one is THE most >>> accurate as far as flight model is concerned when compared with the real >>> thing? >> Doesn't this raise a basic question? I mean, how accurate can an FS9 >> flight model be in terms of modelling things like spin, stall recovery, >> inverted flight etc..? >> >> T. >> >> > >> Stay informed about: Which one?

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