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"ªºª rrock" <invalid RemoveThis @address.here> wrote in message
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> Mark Earnest wrote:
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>> "??? rrock" <invalid RemoveThis @address.here> wrote in message
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>>>Mark Earnest wrote:
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>>>>Been playing Oblivion for awhile now...but...
>>>>
>>>>(1) Where is the spell, levitate? I loved it in Morrowind, when I
>>>>could
>>>>make it into a permanenced ring of flight. It would really look great
>>>>with
>>>>Oblivion's technology.
>>>>
>>>>(2) Why aren't the deer afraid of men on horses?
>>>
>>>When you used the ring with CONSTANT EFFECT flight, did you actually fly,
>>>Mark,
>>>or did it only affect the computer game?
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>>
>> Fiction is as real as you want it to be, Rrock.
>> I used to fly every night in my dreams.
>
> Nice dodge, but you didn't answer the question. Did you actually fly,
> or did it only affect the computer game?

This isn't the arena for a metaphysical question.
Take it to another group.
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Some time between the hours of March 10th and Friday, "Mark Earnest"
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> Been playing Oblivion for awhile now...but...
>
> (1) Where is the spell, levitate? I loved it in Morrowind, when
> I could make it into a permanenced ring of flight. It would
> really look great with Oblivion's technology.

Never put in, as far as I can tell. It's foot-slogging all the way. I
recommend investment in sacred lotus seeds and flax seeds and make more
Feather potions than you can stand.

> (2) Why aren't the deer afraid of men on horses?

Horse or no horse, the damn things always ran away from me.
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"Cardboard Box" <cardboardbox13013.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Some time between the hours of March 10th and Friday, "Mark Earnest"
> <gmearnest.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> committed the following:
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>> Been playing Oblivion for awhile now...but...
>>
>> (1) Where is the spell, levitate? I loved it in Morrowind, when
>> I could make it into a permanenced ring of flight. It would
>> really look great with Oblivion's technology.
>
> Never put in, as far as I can tell. It's foot-slogging all the way. I
> recommend investment in sacred lotus seeds and flax seeds and make more
> Feather potions than you can stand.

I'll try that, thanks.


>
>> (2) Why aren't the deer afraid of men on horses?
>
> Horse or no horse, the damn things always ran away from me.

Mine was the white horse of Anvil.
The deer seem to like them.
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"ªºª rrock" <invalid.TakeThisOut@address.here> wrote in message
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> Mark Earnest wrote:
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>> "??? rrock" <invalid.TakeThisOut@address.here> wrote in message
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>>>Mark Earnest wrote:
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>>>>"??? rrock" <invalid.TakeThisOut@address.here> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>>Mark Earnest wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Been playing Oblivion for awhile now...but...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(1) Where is the spell, levitate? I loved it in Morrowind, when I
>>>>>>could
>>>>>>make it into a permanenced ring of flight. It would really look great
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>Oblivion's technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(2) Why aren't the deer afraid of men on horses?
>>>>>
>>>>>When you used the ring with CONSTANT EFFECT flight, did you actually
>>>>>fly, Mark,
>>>>>or did it only affect the computer game?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Fiction is as real as you want it to be, Rrock.
>>>>I used to fly every night in my dreams.
>>>
>>>Nice dodge, but you didn't answer the question. Did you actually fly,
>>>or did it only affect the computer game?
>>
>>
>> This isn't the arena for a metaphysical question.
>> Take it to another group.
>
> Another dodge. What's the matter, Mark, afraid of answering a simple
> everyday question? Nothing metaphysical about that question at all.
> When you used the ring with Constant Effect levitation, did you actually
> fly
> or did it only affect the computer game?

Sorry, you're off topic.
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Been playing Oblivion for awhile now...but...
>
> (1) Where is the spell, levitate? I loved it in Morrowind, when I could
> make it into a permanenced ring of flight. It would really look great
> with
> Oblivion's technology.
>
> (2) Why aren't the deer afraid of men on horses?
>
Probably more than you want to know since Greg has already answered but what
the heck.

For AI purposes, deer are members of the "Prey" faction along with sheep &
wild horses. (confidence = zero so run away.)

Game also "sees" PC/NPC horses as prey because of package. Same faction; no
attack; so no need for deer to run too far.

As Greg posted, game does not "see" your character, but only your horse
while you are riding him. (Horse & rider as different AI would've been very
problematic. A brief discussion about why AI was "dumbed down" is at:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Gripes#AI )

Anyway that's why everything always seems to go after your horse first.
Poor old Nicker is "prey"!
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"ªºª rrock" <invalid.TakeThisOut@address.here> wrote in message
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> Mark Earnest wrote:
>> "??? rrock" <invalid.TakeThisOut@address.here> wrote in message
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>>>Mark Earnest wrote:
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>>>>"??? rrock" <invalid.TakeThisOut@address.here> wrote in message
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>>>>>Mark Earnest wrote:
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>>>>>>"??? rrock" <invalid.TakeThisOut@address.here> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>Mark Earnest wrote:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Been playing Oblivion for awhile now...but...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>(1) Where is the spell, levitate? I loved it in Morrowind, when I
>>>>>>>>could
>>>>>>>>make it into a permanenced ring of flight. It would really look
>>>>>>>>great with
>>>>>>>>Oblivion's technology.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>(2) Why aren't the deer afraid of men on horses?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When you used the ring with CONSTANT EFFECT flight, did you actually
>>>>>>>fly, Mark,
>>>>>>>or did it only affect the computer game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fiction is as real as you want it to be, Rrock.
>>>>>>I used to fly every night in my dreams.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nice dodge, but you didn't answer the question. Did you actually fly,
>>>>>or did it only affect the computer game?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This isn't the arena for a metaphysical question.
>>>>Take it to another group.
>>>
>>>Another dodge. What's the matter, Mark, afraid of answering a simple
>>>everyday question? Nothing metaphysical about that question at all.
>>>When you used the ring with Constant Effect levitation, did you actually
>>>fly
>>>or did it only affect the computer game?
>>
>>
>> Sorry, you're off topic.
>
> Another dodge. This is exactly on topic and the question specifically
> refers to the ring you spoke of. It's really a simple question, Mark,
> did you actually fly? Or did it only affect the computer game?
>
> I'll bet i could ask anyone else in this news group the exact same
> question and get an answer in their first reply.

Well you're not going to get an answer from me.
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"ªºª rrock" <invalid.RemoveThis@address.here> wrote in message
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>> "??? rrock" <invalid.RemoveThis@address.here> wrote in message
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>>>Mark Earnest wrote:
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>>>>"??? rrock" <invalid.RemoveThis@address.here> wrote in message
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>>>>>Mark Earnest wrote:
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>>>>>>"??? rrock" <invalid.RemoveThis@address.here> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>Mark Earnest wrote:
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>>>>>>>>"??? rrock" <invalid.RemoveThis@address.here> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Mark Earnest wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Been playing Oblivion for awhile now...but...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>(1) Where is the spell, levitate? I loved it in Morrowind, when
>>>>>>>>>>I could
>>>>>>>>>>make it into a permanenced ring of flight. It would really look
>>>>>>>>>>great with
>>>>>>>>>>Oblivion's technology.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>(2) Why aren't the deer afraid of men on horses?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>When you used the ring with CONSTANT EFFECT flight, did you
>>>>>>>>>actually fly, Mark,
>>>>>>>>>or did it only affect the computer game?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Fiction is as real as you want it to be, Rrock.
>>>>>>>>I used to fly every night in my dreams.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nice dodge, but you didn't answer the question. Did you actually fly,
>>>>>>>or did it only affect the computer game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This isn't the arena for a metaphysical question.
>>>>>>Take it to another group.
>>>>>
>>>>>Another dodge. What's the matter, Mark, afraid of answering a simple
>>>>>everyday question? Nothing metaphysical about that question at all.
>>>>>When you used the ring with Constant Effect levitation, did you
>>>>>actually fly
>>>>>or did it only affect the computer game?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, you're off topic.
>>>
>>>Another dodge. This is exactly on topic and the question specifically
>>>refers to the ring you spoke of. It's really a simple question, Mark,
>>>did you actually fly? Or did it only affect the computer game?
>>>
>>>I'll bet i could ask anyone else in this news group the exact same
>>>question and get an answer in their first reply.
>>
>>
>> Well you're not going to get an answer from me.
>
> Don't need one. Everyone now knows that you think you actually fly when
> you use levitate in the game, since you didn't answer the question.

That's rediculous.
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:26:13 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>Been playing Oblivion for awhile now...but...
>
>(1) Where is the spell, levitate? I loved it in Morrowind, when I could
>make it into a permanenced ring of flight. It would really look great with
>Oblivion's technology.

It was removed, partly for technical reasons and partly for gameplay
ones. The design of Oblivion has walled cities where the inside cells
and outside cells aren't actually in the same maps, for faster
rendering, so it would look kind of strange to fly over the wall of a
town and find the empty interior. And the dungeon-type maps inside the
rifts would be rendered trivially easy if the player could fly over
the walls and traps.

>(2) Why aren't the deer afraid of men on horses?

They aren't afraid of horses, and the designers chose not to make
'man-on-horse' a different creature type than 'horse', for reasons
best known to themselves.
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"Greg Johnson" <greg.gsj.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:26:13 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
> <gmearnest.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Been playing Oblivion for awhile now...but...
>>
>>(1) Where is the spell, levitate? I loved it in Morrowind, when I could
>>make it into a permanenced ring of flight. It would really look great
>>with
>>Oblivion's technology.
>
> It was removed, partly for technical reasons and partly for gameplay
> ones. The design of Oblivion has walled cities where the inside cells
> and outside cells aren't actually in the same maps, for faster
> rendering, so it would look kind of strange to fly over the wall of a
> town and find the empty interior. And the dungeon-type maps inside the
> rifts would be rendered trivially easy if the player could fly over
> the walls and traps.
>
>>(2) Why aren't the deer afraid of men on horses?
>
> They aren't afraid of horses, and the designers chose not to make
> 'man-on-horse' a different creature type than 'horse', for reasons
> best known to themselves.

Thanks, Greg. Maybe flying would have made the game too unreal, too.
And I guess the deer only see the horses.
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"DamFiNo" <nospam RemoveThis @this.com> wrote in message
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> ªºª rrock <invalid RemoveThis @address.here> wrote:
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> :Mark Earnest wrote:
> :
> :> Been playing Oblivion for awhile now...but...
> :>
> :> (1) Where is the spell, levitate? I loved it in Morrowind, when I
> could
> :> make it into a permanenced ring of flight. It would really look great
> with
> :> Oblivion's technology.
> :>
> :> (2) Why aren't the deer afraid of men on horses?
> :>
> :
> :When you used the ring with CONSTANT EFFECT flight, did you actually fly,
> Mark,
> r did it only affect the computer game?
>
> yes, you actually fly in the game.

You are very brave, to stand up to him like that.
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"DamFiNo" <nospam.RemoveThis@this.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark Earnest" <gmearnest.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> :Been playing Oblivion for awhile now...but...
> :
> 1) Where is the spell, levitate? I loved it in Morrowind, when I could
> :make it into a permanenced ring of flight. It would really look great
> with
> :Oblivion's technology.
> :
> 2) Why aren't the deer afraid of men on horses?
> :
> in real life, deer are usually unafraid of men on horses.

Then that is neat that the programming of the game took that into
consideration. It really suprised me, though, I guess as much
as it would in its discovery in real life.
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