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Martin S.

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:09 pm
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After 2-3 years on FS I thought it was time to get even more real than
it gets and try a flying lesson at my local airfield (Farnborough,
UK). So, booked it yesterday. I suppose I'll start it a Cessna and
graduate to 747s later in the week..

You real-world pilots in this group, a list please of the top DON'Ts
when in a real cockpit (bad habits learnhed from FS9?).

If I don't post back, you'll know it all went horribly wrong!

Martin

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:09 pm
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"Martin S." <ms RemoveThis @ms.com> wrote in message
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> After 2-3 years on FS I thought it was time to get even more real than
> it gets and try a flying lesson at my local airfield (Farnborough,
> UK). So, booked it yesterday. I suppose I'll start it a Cessna and
> graduate to 747s later in the week..
>
> You real-world pilots in this group, a list please of the top DON'Ts
> when in a real cockpit (bad habits learnhed from FS9?).
>
> If I don't post back, you'll know it all went horribly wrong!
>
> Martin

As an instructor who has handled hundreds of these introductory flights, I
can pass on to you a few items of note.
The way these flights are handled varies greatly from one instructor to
another but there are some common aspects involved that you should know.

You can assume that at some point in the flight you will be asked to fly the
airplane. The first thing you will notice is that although you will know
basically which direction to move the controls from your experience on the
simulator, you won't know how much PRESSURE to use to achieve a specific
result, and it's pressures, not movement, that define control usage in a
light airplane.
I wouldn't worry all that much about it really. You will probably do just
fine if the instructor is any good at all.

Just relax; do as you are directed, and enjoy the flight.
One thing that might help you to relax a bit when you take control of the
airplane is to be told something I told every one of the people to whom I
gave these flights. I won't be there with you of course, but remember what
I'm about to tell you.
Don't worry about over controlling and causing the airplane to go into some
kind of extreme attitude when you take the controls for the first time.
Mentioning this up front to a first timer is something all instructors
should do and unfortunately many do not. The result is a nervous first timer
worrying more about doing something wrong than doing it right, which makes
the first time up less educational and enjoyable than it could have been
otherwise.

You making the airplane do something it shouldn't be doing simply won't
happen. The response of the airplane to your control input is slow enough
that nothing bad is going to take place. The instructor flying with you is
more than capable of keeping you out of trouble, so don't be nervous when
you take the controls. Just fly the airplane gently by following
instructions.
I hope this information is helpful to you, and by all means enjoy your first
flight.
You might want to report back here to us afterward and let us know how
everything went Smile)
Dudley Henriques

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:09 pm
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"Martin S." <ms RemoveThis @ms.com> wrote:

> You real-world pilots in this group, a list please of the top DON'Ts
> when in a real cockpit (bad habits learnhed from FS9?).

Heed Dudley's advice, relax, and enjoy the flight.

--
Peter
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:09 pm
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Beech45Whiskey <pjricc RemoveThis @ZZgmail.com> wrote:

>> You real-world pilots in this group, a list please of the top DON'Ts
>> when in a real cockpit (bad habits learnhed from FS9?).
>
> Heed Dudley's advice, relax, and enjoy the flight.

LOL! Upon re-reading this, it appears I am giving you a list of DON'Ts.
This is obviously a list of Dos. Smile
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Peter
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:09 pm
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On Fri, 12 May 2006 13:44:33 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
<dhenriques RemoveThis @nowhere.net> brought the following to our attention:

>You making the airplane do something it shouldn't be doing simply won't
>happen. The response of the airplane to your control input is slow enough
>that nothing bad is going to take place. The instructor flying with you is
>more than capable of keeping you out of trouble, so don't be nervous when
>you take the controls. Just fly the airplane gently by following
>instructions.

What Dudley's saying is :

` Easy......easy.........yes.... that's it !! ´


Oh, btw, recall movies where some goof (guy with zero-experience)
is trying to land, and way over-correcting with the ailerons!! :-]

That's the scene which comes to mind. { chuckle }


-Gregory
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:09 pm
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Speaking of pressure,

Before I started flying I wanted my wife to go up on an intro flight
just so she could see what all the hoopla was all about.

The CFI put in her the left seat and I sat behind her. Now my wife is a
small woman so it takes a lot of seat cushions to get her head above the
dashboard of a PA28. We took off and flew along the San Gabriel Mountains in
southern California. The pilot trimmed the plane out at 4,500' and asked my
wife if she would like to steer. As we where approaching an array of
broadcast antennas the pilot pointed them out. Being vertically challenged
my wife in an attempt to see over the dash pulled back on the yoke. The
plane started climbing and at the time I thought I may have heard the stall
horn buzz ever so briefly.

The moral of this story? You can never have enough seat cushions on board
Wink

Jim Mac Millan

"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques.DeleteThis@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Martin S." <ms.DeleteThis@ms.com> wrote in message
> news:i029621h83mqqig252d5craq4q5nj26ql7@4ax.com...
>> After 2-3 years on FS I thought it was time to get even more real than
>> it gets and try a flying lesson at my local airfield (Farnborough,
>> UK). So, booked it yesterday. I suppose I'll start it a Cessna and
>> graduate to 747s later in the week..
>>
>> You real-world pilots in this group, a list please of the top DON'Ts
>> when in a real cockpit (bad habits learnhed from FS9?).
>>
>> If I don't post back, you'll know it all went horribly wrong!
>>
>> Martin
>
> As an instructor who has handled hundreds of these introductory flights, I
> can pass on to you a few items of note.
> The way these flights are handled varies greatly from one instructor to
> another but there are some common aspects involved that you should know.
>
> You can assume that at some point in the flight you will be asked to fly
> the airplane. The first thing you will notice is that although you will
> know basically which direction to move the controls from your experience
> on the simulator, you won't know how much PRESSURE to use to achieve a
> specific result, and it's pressures, not movement, that define control
> usage in a light airplane.
> I wouldn't worry all that much about it really. You will probably do just
> fine if the instructor is any good at all.
>
> Just relax; do as you are directed, and enjoy the flight.
> One thing that might help you to relax a bit when you take control of the
> airplane is to be told something I told every one of the people to whom I
> gave these flights. I won't be there with you of course, but remember what
> I'm about to tell you.
> Don't worry about over controlling and causing the airplane to go into
> some kind of extreme attitude when you take the controls for the first
> time. Mentioning this up front to a first timer is something all
> instructors should do and unfortunately many do not. The result is a
> nervous first timer worrying more about doing something wrong than doing
> it right, which makes the first time up less educational and enjoyable
> than it could have been otherwise.
>
> You making the airplane do something it shouldn't be doing simply won't
> happen. The response of the airplane to your control input is slow enough
> that nothing bad is going to take place. The instructor flying with you is
> more than capable of keeping you out of trouble, so don't be nervous when
> you take the controls. Just fly the airplane gently by following
> instructions.
> I hope this information is helpful to you, and by all means enjoy your
> first flight.
> You might want to report back here to us afterward and let us know how
> everything went Smile)
> Dudley Henriques
>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:09 pm
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"Beech45Whiskey" <pjricc DeleteThis @ZZgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Beech45Whiskey <pjricc DeleteThis @ZZgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> You real-world pilots in this group, a list please of the top DON'Ts
>>> when in a real cockpit (bad habits learnhed from FS9?).
>>
>> Heed Dudley's advice, relax, and enjoy the flight.
>
> LOL! Upon re-reading this, it appears I am giving you a list of DON'Ts.
> This is obviously a list of Dos. Smile
> --
> Peter

Just to add another DO to Peter's list. Smile)

I can still remember my instructor in the L-19 Birddog, on about my second
or third flight, when I was having a bad day and overcontrolling badly. He
said: "Lieutenant, the airplane WANTS to fly. LET IT!!!" Smile)) Never had a
problem after that.

Relax, enjoy your flight.

Paul
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:16 pm
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Martin,
You will need at least two weeks to graduate to 747's. It takes a whole
3 days alone to transition to jet fighters. Then a few days in helicopters,
a couple of days in hot air balloons and hang gliders, and THEN the 747!
They want to make sure that a student has plenty of experience before
putting them in the cockpit of one of the big Boeing birds! Take care...

Randy L.
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"My days of me not taking you seriuosly
have certainly come to a middle."
Malcolm Reynolds - Captain of Serenity

"Martin S." <ms.DeleteThis@ms.com> wrote in message
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> After 2-3 years on FS I thought it was time to get even more real than
> it gets and try a flying lesson at my local airfield (Farnborough,
> UK). So, booked it yesterday. I suppose I'll start it a Cessna and
> graduate to 747s later in the week..
>
> You real-world pilots in this group, a list please of the top DON'Ts
> when in a real cockpit (bad habits learnhed from FS9?).
>
> If I don't post back, you'll know it all went horribly wrong!
>
> Martin
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 3:43 pm
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On Friday 12 May 2006 15:09 Martin S. wrote:


> You real-world pilots in this group, a list please of the top
> DON'Ts when in a real cockpit (bad habits learnhed from FS9?).
>

Pulling the stick when turning final. I somehow had gotten used to
that way of correcting the line-up in FS, but it is a VERY bad
habit. You are often near full-flaps at that point and close above
stalling speed. When the inner wing would stall because of the
slight pullback, it will drop and you will tilt over at about 500
ft AGL, That is _not_ enough room for corrections.

Of course the simulator should simulate this but it doesn't, at
least not on the Cessna. I also flew the RealAir SF260 SIAI
Marchetti, which is far better in this respect and generally is
not tolerant for low landing speeds.

Ursa..
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 3:48 pm
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Will read all posts with interest , DOs and DONT's alike!

M. Smile

On Fri, 12 May 2006 10:07:00 -0400, Beech45Whiskey
<pjricc.RemoveThis@ZZgmail.com> wrote:

>Beech45Whiskey <pjricc.RemoveThis@ZZgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> You real-world pilots in this group, a list please of the top DON'Ts
>>> when in a real cockpit (bad habits learnhed from FS9?).
>>
>> Heed Dudley's advice, relax, and enjoy the flight.
>
>LOL! Upon re-reading this, it appears I am giving you a list of DON'Ts.
>This is obviously a list of Dos. Smile
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:05 pm
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All I will say is that you normally do not fly watching the instruments as
one does in the sim. Look outside a lot and enjoy the view. Use the real
horizon rather than the artificial one. Have a great time!

Cheers,

Quilly

Sorry, but an individual reply goes into my spam filter
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:11 pm
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Martin S. <ms.DeleteThis@ms.com> wrote:
> You real-world pilots in this group, a list please of the top DON'Ts
> when in a real cockpit (bad habits learnhed from FS9?).

#1 DON'T: Do not leave your checkbook (chequebook?) at home.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:46 pm
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Don't tell any of them that you Flight Sim...

When it's over they'll think you're a friggin' genus.

Smile


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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:56 pm
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"Quilljar" <wykehill-flightsim.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> All I will say is that you normally do not fly watching the instruments as
> one does in the sim. Look outside a lot and enjoy the view. Use the real
> horizon rather than the artificial one. Have a great time!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Quilly

And that's exactly what I kept doing. At one point the instructor asked
whether I was actually going to look out of the window!

Chris
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 10:57 pm
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All great stuff - thanks very much for the comments and encouragement.
Fortunately, BTW, my brother's offered to pay, so I won't even need my
chequebook!!!

Like the idea of not mentioning FS9. Never thought of that. Works both
ways of course - if I do something really stupid, I won't look quite
such a fool.

Looks as if I am going to have to postpone the flight for personal
reasons, but it should happen by the end of the month. Will report
back - all being well - and let you know whether I made it onto the
747s in the first week or had to wait till the second. (Fortunately,
Farnborough's runways can cope with heavies - Air Show and all). Sigh,
if only.....

Martin
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