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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:52 am
Post subject: -crawl- Very funny.
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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.1.2 (crawl-ref) character file.
Wyrwidab the Skirmisher
Race : Ogre Res.Fire : . . . See Invis. : .
Class : Fighter Res.Cold : . . . Warding : .
Worship : Life Prot.: . . . Conserve : .
Level : 1 Res.Poison: . Res.Corr. : .
Exp : 0 Res.Elec. : . Saprovore : + . .
Next Level : 13
Exp Needed : 13 Sust.Abil.: . Rnd.Telep. : .
Spls.Left : 0 Res.Mut. : . Ctrl.Telep.: .
Gold : 56 Res.Slow : . Levitation : .
Clarity : + Ctrl.Flight: .
HP : 18/19
MP : 0
Str : 22 Weapon : +0 club
Int : 6 Armour : +0 animal skin
Dex : 8 Shield :
AC : 4 Helmet :
Evasion : 11 Cloak : +0 cloak
Shield : 0 Gloves :
Boots :
Play time : 00:01:54 Amulet : amulet of clarity
Turns : 233 Ring :
Ring :
You are on level 1.
You are not hungry.
Inventory:
Hand weapons
a - a +0 club (weapon)
b - a +2,+2 dwarven short sword
Armour
d - a +0 animal skin (worn)
h - a +0 cloak (worn)
Comestibles
c - a meat ration
Scrolls
f - a scroll of enchant weapon I
Jewellery
g - an uncursed amulet of clarity (around neck)
This amulet protects its wearer from some forms of mental confusion.
It weighs around 1.0 aum.
You have 0 experience left.
Skills:
+ Level 5 Fighting
+ Level 2 Maces & Flails
+ Level 2 Dodging
You cannot memorise any spells.
You don't know any spells.
Last Messages
The goblin is moderately wounded.
The goblin hits you but doesn't do any damage.
The goblin hits you but doesn't do any damage.
You die...
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.......g@.......#
....g..####.###.#
..g. ..#...#
.. ####.####
#.#....+
####.#..###
#....#..#
###### #.##.#..#
#....# #.#.....#
Vanquished Creatures
A giant cockroach (D:1)
A giant gecko (D:1)
A kobold (D:1)
A small snake (D:1)
4 creatures vanquished. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:07 am
Post subject: Re: -crawl- Very funny. [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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B0rsuk wrote:
[post titled "very funny"]
> Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.1.2 (crawl-ref) character file.
> Exp : 0 Res.Elec. : . Saprovore : + . .
> Last Messages
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> The goblin is moderately wounded.
> The goblin hits you but doesn't do any damage.
> The goblin hits you but doesn't do any damage.
> You die...
What's funny about the "drained of all life" death type?
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:10 am
Post subject: Re: -crawl- Very funny. [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> What's funny about the "drained of all life" death type?
A mixture of ogre, goblin, DL1, cLV1, 4 creatures killed, 18/19 hp
left, and 'does no damage' message. And the death, of course.
No, not really funny. But I can make my point with this. It would be
*sweet* if crawl somehow underlined creatures carrying glowing weapons.
I usually examine all humanoids if I run into a group, but it gets
tiresome quickly.
It's a part of larger problem: you never know how dangerous a group of
humanoids is, because they're largely dependant on equipment. And
equipment is not visible until you e'x'amine. >> Stay informed about: -crawl- Very funny. |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:20 am
Post subject: Re: -crawl- Very funny. [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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B0rsuk wrote:
> > What's funny about the "drained of all life" death type?
>
> A mixture of ogre, goblin, DL1, cLV1, 4 creatures killed, 18/19 hp
> left, and 'does no damage' message. And the death, of course.
>
> No, not really funny. But I can make my point with this. It would be
> *sweet* if crawl somehow underlined creatures carrying glowing weapons.
> I usually examine all humanoids if I run into a group, but it gets
> tiresome quickly.
> It's a part of larger problem: you never know how dangerous a group of
> humanoids is, because they're largely dependant on equipment. And
> equipment is not visible until you e'x'amine.
*Now* you're talkin'. That's a problem I've thought about every now and
then in the past, too. (And "the player should x-check everything"
doesn't fly in my book.)
(Many of those times with no thought of ever having power to change the
situation, though.) The only trouble is, we've got so much going on
with display traits -- inverse video, etc. -- already that I'm worried
there's nothing left that can safely be used.
Would you do me the favor of Feature-Requesting this? >> Stay informed about: -crawl- Very funny. |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:24 am
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erisdiscordia wrote:
> B0rsuk wrote:
> > It's a part of larger problem: you never know how dangerous a group of
> > humanoids is, because they're largely dependant on equipment. And
> > equipment is not visible until you e'x'amine.
Call me paranoid, but I routinely e-x-amine most humanoids that my
characters encounter. A gnall wielding a spiked flail or a halberd is
more dangerous than a gnoll wielding a club or a spear, even if that
halberd isn't glowing or runed.
>
> Would you do me the favor of Feature-Requesting this?
Ahhh, stupid question... how /does/ one formally request features or
report bugs? I apologize if you've announced this already. >> Stay informed about: -crawl- Very funny. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:54 am
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Ben Goetter wrote:
> erisdiscordia wrote:
> > B0rsuk wrote:
> > > It's a part of larger problem: you never know how dangerous a group of
> > > humanoids is, because they're largely dependant on equipment. And
> > > equipment is not visible until you e'x'amine.
>
> Call me paranoid, but I routinely e-x-amine most humanoids that my
> characters encounter. A gnall wielding a spiked flail or a halberd is
> more dangerous than a gnoll wielding a club or a spear, even if that
> halberd isn't glowing or runed.
The more careful players always used to x-check for monsters' awareness
status. That hasn't prevented acceptance of stab_brand and
may_stab_brand, which have been around for quite a few months now with
no public uproar. So yes, it's always a good thing to check monsters,
but it's such a robotic task that I see no harm in letting the robots
do it.
But actually, you probably were referring to weapons' "marked" status
not being the most important thing. That's true, but that there is
gonna be a *damn* hard one to take on when all we've got to work with
text, unless there's some elegant interface hack that occurs to
somebody. Failing the finding of said elegant brilliant solution, I
think it's discussion-worthy to find a way to at least mark the simple
trait of "marked weapon"/"unmarked weapon or no weapon."
e. >> Stay informed about: -crawl- Very funny. |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:56 am
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erisdiscordia wrote:
> The more careful players always used to x-check for monsters' awareness
> status. That hasn't prevented acceptance of stab_brand and
> may_stab_brand
That's because awareness and (more pertinently) retreating/fleeing
status can change every round, and apply to pretty much every potential
foe. As opposed to a single check, on humanoids only.
I like having robots do the work, too, whenever possible. I'm just
sayin'.
You know what I'd like visibly branded? Whether that damned kobold has
a wand tucked in the top of his tiny boot. /That/ doesn't show up on
e'x'amine, and that's deadlier than any glowing dagger. I don't
necessarily dislike it as a deadly surprise, but as long as we're
branding potential threats.... Maybe it could show up on e'x'amine
after the humanoid takes its first shot, after which one might assume
the wand would remain visible, clutched in a scaly paw.
> But actually, you probably were referring to weapons' "marked" status
> not being the most important thing.
Indeed. Though it does sound warning bells when the stout orc warrior
is wielding an elven trident. I always figure that he would only use
such an effete weapon if it bore some particularly lethal enchantment.
Always safest to be cautious. >> Stay informed about: -crawl- Very funny. |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:01 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:00 pm
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erisdiscordia wrote:
> But actually, you probably were referring to weapons' "marked" status
> not being the most important thing. That's true, but that there is
> gonna be a *damn* hard one to take on when all we've got to work with
> text, unless there's some elegant interface hack that occurs to
> somebody.
Hmm, Furigana? Accents? But unicode wouldn't count as 'text', would it?
> Failing the finding of said elegant brilliant solution, I
> think it's discussion-worthy to find a way to at least mark the simple
> trait of "marked weapon"/"unmarked weapon or no weapon."
By the way, why are ethnic weapons never marked? Not even to members of
the same species? Trying all those orcish axes and leather armours cann
be quite tedious.
Lars >> Stay informed about: -crawl- Very funny. |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:52 am
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> This would, of course, create all sorts of conflicts in crawl. Does an
> imp with a wand of ice turn white? No, that's an ice imp...
>
> Perhaps there could be one (currently rarely used) colour which gets
> reserved exclusively for monsters with deadly equipment, and then you
> only have to recognise the cases where the monster's own colouring is
> more important than any equipment it might have (like orc sorcerors).
I think it's far too late for that. I suggest something different, and
hopefully elegant.
Instead of pressing x and having to hover the cursor over each monster,
you'd just press a _KEY_ to toggle 'equipment view mode'. In this
mode....
- monsters not carrying anything, or carrying just small weapons are
replaced with white @'s.
- monsters with big, but ordinary weapons are replaced with yellow @'s.
- monsters with small glowing/shiny/magicallooking weapons are replaced
by blue @'s.
- monsters carrying weapons both big and glowing are replaced with
purple @'s. (because purple comes from mixing yellow and blue).
Then you press _KEY_ again, and the view turns back to normal. The
point is simply to make it much faster to check for big/magical
weapons.
I guess you could think about something similar for armors, but armors
I nowhere as lethal. It's not such a big issue. >> Stay informed about: -crawl- Very funny. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:58 am
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erisdiscordia <erik.TakeThisOut@sky.cz> wrote:
> that there is
> gonna be a *damn* hard one to take on when all we've got to work with
> text, unless there's some elegant interface hack that occurs to
> somebody. Failing the finding of said elegant brilliant solution, I
> think it's discussion-worthy to find a way to at least mark the simple
> trait of "marked weapon"/"unmarked weapon or no weapon."
This probably falls into the "damn hard" or perhaps "impossible without
major rewriting" category for crawl, but one of the solutions which has
previously been discussed on r.g.r.d is to change the monster type once
the player knows about the equipment.
For example, upon seeing an orc carrying a glowing war axe, that orc is
immediately classed as an "orc warrior" and turns red. If an orc picks
up the same weapon, the same things happens at that point. Or, the first
time it zaps you with a wand of draining, it becomes an "orc enervator"
or similar, and changes colour accordingly.
This would, of course, create all sorts of conflicts in crawl. Does an
imp with a wand of ice turn white? No, that's an ice imp...
Perhaps there could be one (currently rarely used) colour which gets
reserved exclusively for monsters with deadly equipment, and then you
only have to recognise the cases where the monster's own colouring is
more important than any equipment it might have (like orc sorcerors).
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--j hungerford >> Stay informed about: -crawl- Very funny. |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:00 am
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On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:17:10 GMT, smiley.DeleteThis@nonexistant.invalid (Jude H) tried to
confuse everyone with this message:
>erisdiscordia <erik.DeleteThis@sky.cz> wrote:
>> that there is
>> gonna be a *damn* hard one to take on when all we've got to work with
>> text, unless there's some elegant interface hack that occurs to
>> somebody. Failing the finding of said elegant brilliant solution, I
>> think it's discussion-worthy to find a way to at least mark the simple
>> trait of "marked weapon"/"unmarked weapon or no weapon."
>
>Perhaps there could be one (currently rarely used) colour which gets
>reserved exclusively for monsters with deadly equipment, and then you
>only have to recognise the cases where the monster's own colouring is
>more important than any equipment it might have (like orc sorcerors).
>
I say: blinking! Can be annoying, but in Dwarf Fortress everything is
blinking so it's just a problem of adaptation.
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|It's us against millions and we can't take them all... | ue il |
|But we can take them on! | @ma |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:10 am
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B0rsuk wrote:
[nice proposal]
> - monsters carrying weapons both big and glowing are replaced with
> purple @'s. (because purple comes from mixing yellow and blue).
Here we have someone who didn't grow up watching American Zip-Lock(r)
commercials. 
[nice proposal]
I'm too lazy to FR this without giving you some time to save me the
trouble. It'll make me all warm and fuzzy inside if you do.
e. >> Stay informed about: -crawl- Very funny. |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:10 am
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B0rsuk wrote:
[nice proposal]
> - monsters carrying weapons both big and glowing are replaced with
> purple @'s. (because purple comes from mixing yellow and blue).
Here we have someone who didn't grow up watching American Zip-Lock(r)
commercials.
[nice proposal]
I'm too lazy to FR this without giving you some time to save me the
trouble. It'll make me all warm and fuzzy inside if you do.
e. >> Stay informed about: -crawl- Very funny. |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:10 am
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B0rsuk wrote:
[nice proposal]
> - monsters carrying weapons both big and glowing are replaced with
> purple @'s. (because purple comes from mixing yellow and blue).
Here we have someone who didn't grow up watching American Zip-Lock(r)
commercials.
[nice proposal]
I'm too lazy to FR this without giving you some time to save me the
trouble. It'll make me all warm and fuzzy inside if you do.
e. >> Stay informed about: -crawl- Very funny. |
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