Best combat discipline found with Aus

librarian wrote:
> So, it seems like Nose of the Hound is the best rush card, with +1
> stealth and a maneuver (too bad they have to be tapped).
>
> But I was wondering which discipline(s) are matched up best with Aus. I
> am assuming a small crypt, because Rush usually requires a small crypt.
> I have tried aus Pot, and it didn't really work that well. Aus CEL
> Guns might have possibilities.
>
> AUS PRE Catatonic Fear Target Vitals with Telepathic Tracking?
>
> Other suggestions?


You know, replying to myself, what I have found as I start to think
about using Nose at aus, is that it's even better to use aus as defense,
since you have more control over what strike you use.

Maybe you use just sprinkle in a few Nose's for certain targets.

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On Jan 29, 4:52 pm, librarian <aucti... DeleteThis @superfuncards.com> wrote:
> So, it seems like Nose of the Hound is the best rush card, with +1
> stealth and a maneuver (too bad they have to be tapped).
>
> But I was wondering which discipline(s) are matched up best with Aus. I
> am assuming a small crypt, because Rush usually requires a small crypt.
> I have tried aus Pot, and it didn't really work that well. Aus CEL
> Guns might have possibilities.
>
> AUS PRE Catatonic Fear Target Vitals with Telepathic Tracking?
>
> Other suggestions?

I imagine Aus/Cel would work quite well. You've seen the ol' aus/cel/
for anarch deck enough times, I think, and that one's very rough
around the edges. Heaps of Nose, Diversion, TT, Groundfighting. The
crypt could be smaller, but I'm a sucker for Owain.

Aus/Pot doesn't work well? I suppose it would have some weak spots.
But the pieces are there: Bricklaying to tap, Nose to rush, Slam gets
you another maneuver, and Grapple. All with inferiors except the Slam
maneuver. It wouldn't be brilliant, but you're talking about an Aus
rush deck after all

I've always thought an Osebo deck should work quite well, at least
theoretically, but the crypt never quite comes together for me.
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crispyfloss wrote:
> On Jan 29, 4:52 pm, librarian <aucti....RemoveThis@superfuncards.com> wrote:
>> So, it seems like Nose of the Hound is the best rush card, with +1
>> stealth and a maneuver (too bad they have to be tapped).
>>
>> But I was wondering which discipline(s) are matched up best with Aus. I
>> am assuming a small crypt, because Rush usually requires a small crypt.
>> I have tried aus Pot, and it didn't really work that well. Aus CEL
>> Guns might have possibilities.
>>
>> AUS PRE Catatonic Fear Target Vitals with Telepathic Tracking?
>>
>> Other suggestions?
>
> I imagine Aus/Cel would work quite well. You've seen the ol' aus/cel/
> for anarch deck enough times, I think, and that one's very rough
> around the edges. Heaps of Nose, Diversion, TT, Groundfighting. The
> crypt could be smaller, but I'm a sucker for Owain.
>
> Aus/Pot doesn't work well? I suppose it would have some weak spots.
> But the pieces are there: Bricklaying to tap, Nose to rush, Slam gets
> you another maneuver, and Grapple. All with inferiors except the Slam
> maneuver. It wouldn't be brilliant, but you're talking about an Aus
> rush deck after all
>
> I've always thought an Osebo deck should work quite well, at least
> theoretically, but the crypt never quite comes together for me.
>

You know Rob, my aus/pot deck always seemed to run into better combat.
Especially agg poke. There aren't many small aus/pot vamps, and larger
ones are too expensive to get killed by hitback.

I always tried to cram in intercept and bounce. Maybe that was my
problem. Just focus on rush.


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Howdy,

On Jan 29, 4:52 pm, librarian <aucti....RemoveThis@superfuncards.com> wrote:
> So, it seems like Nose of the Hound is the best rush card, with +1
> stealth and a maneuver (too bad they have to be tapped).
>
> But I was wondering which discipline(s) are matched up best with Aus.  I
> am assuming a small crypt, because Rush usually requires a small crypt.
>   I have tried aus Pot, and it didn't really work that well.  Aus CEL
> Guns might have possibilities.
>
> AUS PRE Catatonic Fear Target Vitals with Telepathic Tracking?
>
> Other suggestions?

AUS/THA seems like the obvious place to start. Nose + TT = second
round, and a maneuver on the first so you can safely Theft. Lots o' 5-
cap and smaller vamps too. You don't have to rely on the rush side,
of course, but it certainly doesn't hurt to have it.

Alex
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Is Valerean totally unplayable?

Also AUS/THA in heavy fortitude metagame I think could be good.
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On Jan 29, 10:10 pm, crispyfloss <crispyfl... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> I've always thought an Osebo deck should work quite well, at least
> theoretically, but the crypt never quite comes together for me.

Yeah, they suffer from having a dubious crypt selection and that
Auspex doesn't really help you oust anyone so much (Pulse being an
expensive and not fantastic exception for AUS). So you can make a
reasonably good intercept fight deck, but intercept fight decks don't
win so much. And you can just make a pretty straight forward Rush deck
with Telepathic Misdirection for bounce, but the crypt isn't great, is
kinda big, and POT/dom works much better and has a better crypt. It
isn't that hard to use them as part of a pot/aus crypt--you can get a
pretty weenified pot/aus crypt:

-David Morgan (3) pot, aus
-Gengis (3) pot, aus
-Kamaria (3) pot, aus
-Ismita (4) pot, aus
-Mariano Pomposo (4) pot, aus
-Henry Johnson (4) pot, aus

But you don't get AUS in the mix till Kisha Bhimji (5), and don't get
AUS, POT till Homa (6) and then Jeremy McNeil (7) and Khalu (7).

So some sort of weenie pot/aus deck has a crypt waiting for it, but
really, what are you going to do with pot/aus weenies? Bounceless
light intercept and Sewer Lids maybe?

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> So, it seems like Nose of the Hound is the best rush card, with +1
> stealth and a maneuver (too bad they have to be tapped).
>
> But I was wondering which discipline(s) are matched up best with Aus. I
> am assuming a small crypt, because Rush usually requires a small crypt.
> I have tried aus Pot, and it didn't really work that well. Aus CEL
> Guns might have possibilities.
>
> AUS PRE Catatonic Fear Target Vitals with Telepathic Tracking?
>
> Other suggestions?

AUS + Black Hand Psychic Assault + Target Vitals
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Peter D Bakija wrote:
> On Jan 29, 10:10 pm, crispyfloss <crispyfl....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've always thought an Osebo deck should work quite well, at least
>> theoretically, but the crypt never quite comes together for me.
>
> Yeah, they suffer from having a dubious crypt selection and that
> Auspex doesn't really help you oust anyone so much (Pulse being an
> expensive and not fantastic exception for AUS). So you can make a
> reasonably good intercept fight deck, but intercept fight decks don't
> win so much. And you can just make a pretty straight forward Rush deck
> with Telepathic Misdirection for bounce, but the crypt isn't great, is
> kinda big, and POT/dom works much better and has a better crypt. It
> isn't that hard to use them as part of a pot/aus crypt--you can get a
> pretty weenified pot/aus crypt:
>
> -David Morgan (3) pot, aus
> -Gengis (3) pot, aus
> -Kamaria (3) pot, aus
> -Ismita (4) pot, aus
> -Mariano Pomposo (4) pot, aus
> -Henry Johnson (4) pot, aus
>
> But you don't get AUS in the mix till Kisha Bhimji (5), and don't get
> AUS, POT till Homa (6) and then Jeremy McNeil (7) and Khalu (7).
>
> So some sort of weenie pot/aus deck has a crypt waiting for it, but
> really, what are you going to do with pot/aus weenies? Bounceless
> light intercept and Sewer Lids maybe?


Exactly. I struggled with this for a *very* long time. It may be more
viable now with the advent of Target Vitals. And maybe focus on aus/POT
- don't worry about intercept, just use Nose for Rush. Your crypt
choices get only slightly better: Terry and Uzoma at (5) (and Pugfar,
but because he's a slave, useless).

Heck, with the advent of the Aim cards, go with something even more
ridiculous like a weenie aus rush deck, sprinkled with very slight bounce.

Deck Name: Spies Everywhere
Created By: shorb
Description: Weenies block and rush, use Target Vitals to make their
strikes really count.

Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 6, Max: 16, Avg: 2.83)
---------------------------------------------
2 Franciscus aus 1 Caitiff
1 Dieter Kleist aus 2 Toreador
2 Brazil aus 2 Malkavian
1 Zoe cel obf AUS 3 Malkavian
1 Isabel de Leon AUS 3 Toreador
1 Remilliard pre AUS 4 Toreador
Antitribu
1 Idalia dem AUS 4 Malkavian
Antitribu
1 Dorian Strack cel AUS 4 Toreador
1 Aleph dom AUS 4 Malkavian
1 Richard Tauber tha AUS 4 Tremere Antitribu

Library: (90 cards)
-------------------
Master (16 cards)
1 Asylum Hunting Ground
4 Blood Doll
1 Channel 10
1 Club Zombie
1 Elder Library
1 KRCG News Radio
1 Life Boon
1 Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
2 Smiling Jack, The Anarch
2 Tribute to the Master
1 WMRH Talk Radio

Action (11 cards)
7 Computer Hacking
4 Nose of the Hound

Action Modifier (4 cards)
4 Leverage

Political Action (1 cards)
1 Ancilla Empowerment

Reaction (15 cards)
1 Delaying Tactics
4 Eagle`s Sight
5 On the Qui Vive
5 Telepathic Misdirection

Combat (41 cards)
4 Boxed In
4 Fake Out
6 Lucky Blow
1 Target Hand
1 Target Head
1 Target Leg
12 Target Vitals
6 Weighted Walking Stick
6 Zip Gun

Ally (2 cards)
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1 Ossian

This deck was last saved at 9:20:18 AM on 1/30/2008

Look, I tried to make it, and still came up adding intercept.

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librarian wrote:

> Deck Name: Spies Everywhere
>
>
> Political Action (1 cards)
> 1 Ancilla Empowerment
>

This should be an Autarkis...

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On Jan 29, 5:52 pm, librarian <aucti....RemoveThis@superfuncards.com> wrote:
> So, it seems like Nose of the Hound is the best rush card, with +1
> stealth and a maneuver (too bad they have to be tapped).
>
> But I was wondering which discipline(s) are matched up best with Aus. I
> am assuming a small crypt, because Rush usually requires a small crypt.
> I have tried aus Pot, and it didn't really work that well. Aus CEL
> Guns might have possibilities.
>
> AUS PRE Catatonic Fear Target Vitals with Telepathic Tracking?
>
> Other suggestions?
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AUS THA is strong, with a gorgeous crypt in group 3. Run heavy Theft
or Magic of the Smith and weapons. Telepathic Tracking is a great set-
up for Walk of Flame if that's your bag.

If you want something a little more trumpy I suggest AUS CEL, .44
Magnums, and a pile of Psyche! Of course you'll end up either
dropping the AUS or turning it into a wall deck.

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IC-Oddish.RemoveThis@yandex.ru writes:

> Is Valerean totally unplayable?

Certainly not. It may not be tier 1, but after Legacies of Blood, it's
certainly playable. Try Armor of Caine's Fury + Trap. Weighed Walking Stick
+ Sword of the Righteous. Concealed Kerries and Laibon !Salubri. Aversion
is wonderful.

But if you go down the Valeren road, ditch Nose of the Hound and use the best
rush card in the game: Sense Death.


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Janne Hägglund wrote:
> IC-Oddish.RemoveThis@yandex.ru writes:
>
>
>>Is Valerean totally unplayable?
>
>
> Certainly not. It may not be tier 1, but after Legacies of Blood, it's
> certainly playable. Try Armor of Caine's Fury + Trap. Weighed Walking Stick
> + Sword of the Righteous. Concealed Kerries and Laibon !Salubri. Aversion
> is wonderful.
>
> But if you go down the Valeren road, ditch Nose of the Hound and use the best
> rush card in the game: Sense Death.
>
>
> HG
>
As well as the walking stick of the righteous there is also the garotte
of theb righteous or even the chainsaw of the righteous.

Superior Blissful agony is an interesting sideline as well.
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In article <on2oj.17509$4H1.5550@newsfe07.phx>,
librarian <auctions RemoveThis @superfuncards.com> wrote:

> Exactly. I struggled with this for a *very* long time. It may be more
> viable now with the advent of Target Vitals. And maybe focus on aus/POT
> - don't worry about intercept, just use Nose for Rush. Your crypt
> choices get only slightly better: Terry and Uzoma at (5) (and Pugfar,
> but because he's a slave, useless).

Heh. But if you aren't using AUS for bounce, I'm unconvinced that the
aus is really helping that much--the Nose of the Hound (which started
all of this is good and all, but I don't know if it is good enough
to justify hobbling the whole deck just so you can use them instead of,
like, Harass (which is actually easier to play across the board although
lacking the stealth).

> Deck Name: Spies Everywhere
> Created By: shorb
> Description: Weenies block and rush, use Target Vitals to make their
> strikes really count.

The deck is certainly interesting, but still, I'm not convinced that the
aus is actually doing you any good in and of itself--it looks like it
could be pretty much *any* weenie discipline and doing the same thing.
There are, what, 5 bounce and 4 Eagle's Sight and 4 Nose? Why not just
go weenie dominate, do the same thing but not even need a superior
discipline, turn the bounce and intercept into deflection, and the Nose
into Harass? And then the Hackings and Leverages could be better bleed
cards.

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