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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:37 am
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"tussock" wrote...
> Lookout everyone, it's a bullet! You know darwin awards are for
> things that are actually dangerous, right?
Not.
Darwins are awards for any extreme displays of stupidity that has, can,
or does, lead to injury or death. Honorable mentions are reserved for
those cases that do not lead to injury or death, however that do demonstrate
spectacular stupidity nonetheless, with a potential for death or mass
deaths.
Reference:
http://www.darwinawards.com/
see also:
http://www.darwinawards.com/personal/personal2007-10.html
and
http://darwinawards.com/stupid/stupid2005-01.html
and
http://darwinawards.com/stupid/stupid2004-06.html
and
http://darwinawards.com/stupid/stupid2007-03.html
and
http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2004-16.html
and
http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1994-04.html
Without bullets we couldn't have any of these great Darwin
awards plus the 20 additional bullet & gun cases listed at
the official website...
Note that Darwin Awards have no special statistical
significance. Statistically one does have a much better chance
of choking to death on ones food, but that would hardly be
surprising or entertaining at any gaming venue or session,
especially at most of the convention centers or hotels gaming
conventions are held at these days.
Being from NZ and all where they might actually have good
food in the convention center, and where everyone would
probably not abuse the live ammo at the gaming table you are
forgiven for your blasphemous presumptions when it comes to
the Darwin Award.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:10 am
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In article
<b305b88e-49fc-489c-97ab-0f5dd1107774.TakeThisOut@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Brent <digital.brent.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> The low risk high consequence gamble of using a mug (and opening the
> possibility of drowning in it when it is full) is a higher risk than a
> loose bullet 'squirting' into the fire. It's not how they work. The
> risk of adverse health effects from drinking the coffee in the mug is
> higher than both, maybe he could result in ventricular fibrillation.
You know more about it than I do. I'll stick with the advice of
military munitions experts that told us that the minute you disrespect
this stuff, the minute the clock starts ticking until it kills you.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:17 pm
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On Feb 25, 6:10 pm, Allen Wessels <awess... DeleteThis @EXPUNGEpacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <b305b88e-49fc-489c-97ab-0f5dd1107... DeleteThis @h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
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> Brent <digital.br... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> > The low risk high consequence gamble of using a mug (and opening the
> > possibility of drowning in it when it is full) is a higher risk than a
> > loose bullet 'squirting' into the fire. It's not how they work. The
> > risk of adverse health effects from drinking the coffee in the mug is
> > higher than both, maybe he could result in ventricular fibrillation.
>
> You know more about it than I do. I'll stick with the advice of
> military munitions experts that told us that the minute you disrespect
> this stuff, the minute the clock starts ticking until it kills you.
>
> Good luck,
>
> - Allen
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:17 pm
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Brent wrote:
> Allen Wessels wrote:
>> Brent wrote:
>> > The low risk high consequence gamble of using a mug (and opening the
>> > possibility of drowning in it when it is full) is a higher risk than
>> > a loose bullet 'squirting' into the fire. It's not how they work. The
>> > risk of adverse health effects from drinking the coffee in the mug is
>> > higher than both, maybe he could result in ventricular fibrillation.
>>
>> You know more about it than I do. I'll stick with the advice of
>> military munitions experts that told us that the minute you disrespect
>> this stuff, the minute the clock starts ticking until it kills you.
>
> I'll stick with the rationality, you enjoy your appeal to authority.
Um, dude, "appeal to authority" is only a fallacy where the appeal is
to someone who is not a valid authority in regards the debate at hand.
When they are, it's perfectly rational to give some weight to their
words, assuming they can be considered honest.
In this case I'd suggest bullets are both very safe and worthy of
respect, in the rational awareness that most folk who disrepect them will
not be killed by them. The military dude is probably dealing with keeping
a very small casualty rate in check.
--
tussock
Zzzzzzzzzz... uh, wha? What the hell? I was sleeping, bugger off. >> Stay informed about: Got a clever ammo tracking system? |
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:18 pm
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In article <47ca1c67 RemoveThis @clear.net.nz>, tussock <scrub RemoveThis @clear.net.nz> wrote:
> In this case I'd suggest bullets are both very safe and worthy of
> respect, in the rational awareness that most folk who disrepect them will
> not be killed by them. The military dude is probably dealing with keeping
> a very small casualty rate in check.
In this particular case this was a military munitions expert instructing
middle school kids on how to deal with leftover WWII ordinance on the
island of Okinawa. It was very common for children to come across
bullets and other unexploded ordinance.
Even in the case of brand new ammo, I'm a strong believer that
intelligence will eventually be overcome by Murphy's Law.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:18 pm
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Allen Wessels wrote:
> In article <47ca1c67.TakeThisOut@clear.net.nz>, tussock <scrub.TakeThisOut@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>
>
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>> In this case I'd suggest bullets are both very safe and worthy of
>>respect, in the rational awareness that most folk who disrepect them will
>>not be killed by them. The military dude is probably dealing with keeping
>>a very small casualty rate in check.
>
>
> In this particular case this was a military munitions expert instructing
> middle school kids on how to deal with leftover WWII ordinance on the
> island of Okinawa. It was very common for children to come across
> bullets and other unexploded ordinance.
>
> Even in the case of brand new ammo, I'm a strong believer that
> intelligence will eventually be overcome by Murphy's Law.
>
> - Allen
Even if modern rounds are incredibly safe (which they are) I STILL
wouldn't advocate gamers playing with them at the dining table. I've
seen too many unlikely things occur around gamers. I think it's caused
by our dealing with random number generation on such a wide scale. The
Gods of Probability probably see it as a form of worship. They pay
Attention to us gamers...
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Tetsubo
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"The apparent lesson of the Inquisition is that insistence on
uniformity of belief is fatal to intellectual, moral and spiritual health."
-The Uses Of The Past-, Herbert J. Muller
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:18 pm
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In article <9uSdndX0Bt7qplfanZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d RemoveThis @comcast.com>,
Tetsubo <tetsubo RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> Even if modern rounds are incredibly safe (which they are) I STILL
> wouldn't advocate gamers playing with them at the dining table. I've
> seen too many unlikely things occur around gamers. I think it's caused
> by our dealing with random number generation on such a wide scale. The
> Gods of Probability probably see it as a form of worship. They pay
> Attention to us gamers...
The problem with informed people handling the ammo in the suggested way
is that it leads uninformed people to show the same lack of respect.
The other situation is that it isn't uncommon for gamers to play around
children or in environments that have children.
But, you can take the long view. It's a self-correcting problem.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:18 pm
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Allen Wessels wrote:
> In article <9uSdndX0Bt7qplfanZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d.RemoveThis@comcast.com>,
> Tetsubo <tetsubo.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
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>> Even if modern rounds are incredibly safe (which they are) I STILL
>>wouldn't advocate gamers playing with them at the dining table. I've
>>seen too many unlikely things occur around gamers. I think it's caused
>>by our dealing with random number generation on such a wide scale. The
>>Gods of Probability probably see it as a form of worship. They pay
>>Attention to us gamers...
>
>
> The problem with informed people handling the ammo in the suggested way
> is that it leads uninformed people to show the same lack of respect.
> The other situation is that it isn't uncommon for gamers to play around
> children or in environments that have children.
>
> But, you can take the long view. It's a self-correcting problem.
>
> - Allen
I'm a First Aider at work. I don't NEED the practice at the gaming table...
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:14 pm
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On Mar 2, 2:17 pm, tussock <sc... RemoveThis @clear.net.nz> wrote:
> Brent wrote:
> > Allen Wessels wrote:
> >> Brent wrote:
> >> > The low risk high consequence gamble of using a mug (and opening the
> >> > possibility of drowning in it when it is full) is a higher risk than
> >> > a loose bullet 'squirting' into the fire. It's not how they work. The
> >> > risk of adverse health effects from drinking the coffee in the mug is
> >> > higher than both, maybe he could result in ventricular fibrillation.
>
> >> You know more about it than I do. I'll stick with the advice of
> >> military munitions experts that told us that the minute you disrespect
> >> this stuff, the minute the clock starts ticking until it kills you.
>
> > I'll stick with the rationality, you enjoy your appeal to authority.
>
> Um, dude, "appeal to authority" is only a fallacy where the appeal is
> to someone who is not a valid authority in regards the debate at hand.
> When they are, it's perfectly rational to give some weight to their
> words, assuming they can be considered honest.
Wrong. An appeal to authority fallacy is where you use an appeal to a
perceived authority (valid or not) to justify your argument, rather
than facts and reasoning which supports it.
>
> In this case I'd suggest bullets are both very safe and worthy of
> respect, in the rational awareness that most folk who disrepect them will
> not be killed by them. The military dude is probably dealing with keeping
> a very small casualty rate in check.
>
> --
> tussock
>
> Zzzzzzzzzz... uh, wha? What the hell? I was sleeping, bugger off.
Irrelevant. The argument is whether or not bullets can be safely used
as ammo counters in tabletop rpgs; not whether a military munitions
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:18 pm
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On Mar 2, 3:26 pm, Allen Wessels <awess... DeleteThis @EXPUNGEpacbell.net> wrote:
> In article <47ca1... DeleteThis @clear.net.nz>, tussock <sc... DeleteThis @clear.net.nz> wrote:
> > In this case I'd suggest bullets are both very safe and worthy of
> > respect, in the rational awareness that most folk who disrepect them will
> > not be killed by them. The military dude is probably dealing with keeping
> > a very small casualty rate in check.
>
> In this particular case this was a military munitions expert instructing
> middle school kids on how to deal with leftover WWII ordinance on the
> island of Okinawa. It was very common for children to come across
> bullets and other unexploded ordinance.
Which changes everything, by the way. Old, wet, weathered explosives
are obviously unsafe.
>
> Even in the case of brand new ammo, I'm a strong believer that
> intelligence will eventually be overcome by Murphy's Law.
>
> - Allen
Again, failing to come up with an argument to justify your position.
Living by murphy's law, you shouldn't drive to the game, given the
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:35 am
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In article
<beec7006-7dbc-465a-81fd-8ad7503311d8.TakeThisOut@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Brent <digital.brent.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 2, 3:26 pm, Allen Wessels <awess....TakeThisOut@EXPUNGEpacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article <47ca1....TakeThisOut@clear.net.nz>, tussock <sc....TakeThisOut@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> > > In this case I'd suggest bullets are both very safe and worthy of
> > > respect, in the rational awareness that most folk who disrepect them will
> > > not be killed by them. The military dude is probably dealing with keeping
> > > a very small casualty rate in check.
> >
> > In this particular case this was a military munitions expert instructing
> > middle school kids on how to deal with leftover WWII ordinance on the
> > island of Okinawa. It was very common for children to come across
> > bullets and other unexploded ordinance.
>
> Which changes everything, by the way. Old, wet, weathered explosives
> are obviously unsafe.
They specifically included live modern ammo in their warnings. These
were on active military bases where kids could encounter the real thing.
And their warnings were not just directed at kids. The same munitions
examples and countermeasures were used in adult training.
> > Even in the case of brand new ammo, I'm a strong believer that
> > intelligence will eventually be overcome by Murphy's Law.
> Again, failing to come up with an argument to justify your position.
> Living by murphy's law, you shouldn't drive to the game, given the
> possibility of a catastrophic car accident on the way.
The cost/benefit of using a car is greater than playing with live ammo.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:43 am
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In article
<e3538442-cef1-4f4f-8444-7ed6e8416ada.TakeThisOut@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Brent <digital.brent.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Irrelevant. The argument is whether or not bullets can be safely used
> as ammo counters in tabletop rpgs; not whether a military munitions
> expert is worth listening to or not.
It also included the natural potential consequences of using live ammo
as a counter in a game, i.e. losing track of a bullet and having a kid
come across it and try something stupid.
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:36 pm
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Brent wrote:
> tussock wrote:
>> Um, dude, "appeal to authority" is only a fallacy where the appeal
>> is to someone who is not a valid authority in regards the debate at
>> hand. When they are, it's perfectly rational to give some weight to
>> their words, assuming they can be considered honest.
>
> Wrong. An appeal to authority fallacy is where you use an appeal to a
> perceived authority (valid or not) to justify your argument, rather than
> facts and reasoning which supports it.
Thank you for the blatant correction. I hereby retract my latest
public display of variable intellect. Welcome to here.
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