What is the case of PS2 owners remaining loyal to Sony wit..

"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs.DeleteThis@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 boodybandit
> <allaboutgamez.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I don't take anything personally that this narrow minded zealot has to
>> say.
>> Sony has had the most diverse line up for the past 2 generations and that
>> isn't going to change in this one.
>
> HAS HAD, yes.

And it isn't going to change.
Sorry but I don't need to read your spin and drivel
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 boodybandit <allaboutgamez.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Does Sony actually think its customers (to say nothing of the press and
> > other industry professionals) are a bunch of idiots?

> LOL!
> WOW

Yeah, I know!

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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs.RemoveThis@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 boodybandit
> <allaboutgamez.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > Does Sony actually think its customers (to say nothing of the press and
>> > other industry professionals) are a bunch of idiots?
>
>> LOL!
>> WOW
>
> Yeah, I know!

It's ok Doug.
You're a hypocrite like the rest of the haters. I understand.
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 Calab <myspam RemoveThis @csd.ca> wrote:
> Look at it this way... $399 for a PS3 and $99 for a PS2 OR $599 for a PS3
> with BC? Which would the average joe go for?

Cheaper? Sure. Not including the 1 or 2 chips in the PS3 for BC is
certainly cheaper.

But the math doesn't quite work out.

If a 40GB, no-BC PS3 is $400, and a 80GB BC PS3 is $500, you're telling me
that 1 processor + 40GB of diskspace is worth $100, which is the same as
the price of a complete PS2? Better yet, a 60GB BC PS3 that contained
both processors was $600 at launch, and then $500 when discontinued.

No, that doesn't quite make sense - and Sony admitted as much.

Sure, I can understand that even if the BC component of the 80GB PS3 only
costs $15-20/unit, over millions of units that's a lot of money.

However, at the same time, the PS3 also includes a wireless adapter which
is also $15-20/unit, yet that got left in even as Sony was making cuts to
drop the price.

Yeah, that makes sense.

I would also agree that in the long run, once the new console is
established with a strong library, the need for BC basically goes to
nill. However I would argue that the PS3 is not yet at that point. After
this year, sure, maybe it will be. But I don't think it's quite there
yet. Leaving BC in - especially with the abililty to even slightly
improve PS2 graphics - would be a big help to getting PS2 users onto a PS3
while allowing them to play their PS2 games. But $500 or $600 for this,
and the very few decent games for the PS3 was just too steep.

$400 would be reasonable for a PS3, PS2, and blu-ray player - even though
the war hadn't been decided yet. But no. Sony decided you should really
buy a PS2 and PS3. Well, why should I do that? I already own a PS2. I
didn't care about having a PS3 for a blu-ray player, and there just
weren't enough PS3 games to make it worth buying a $400 piece of
equipment.

And yes, I know all about "the games are coming soon!" Well, they aren't
here yet.

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<richardhutnik DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 19, 3:00 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> > <richardhut... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 19, 12:17 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> > >> <richardhut... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> >
>>news:e40225ca-9713-41e9-8b85-ea46e2e792bc@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > >> > On Feb 19, 8:05 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga... DeleteThis @comcast.net>
wrote:
> > >> >> richardhut... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> > >> >> > Now that Sony has dropped backwards compatibility, I am curious
what
> > >> >> > the basis for loyalty to Sony would be, outside of maybe people
like
> > >> >> > Gran Turismo (aka first party exclusives). Can anyone explain
this
> > >> >> > to
> > >> >> > me here?
> >
> > >> >> No problem.
> > >> >> Because Sony far and away has the most diverse software line up in
> > >> >> gaming,
> > >> >> PERIOD.
> > >> >> BTW, it has not been officially announced that Sony has dropped
> > >> >> backwards
> > >> >> compatibility and even if they did who cares? The only game I
played
> > >> >> on
> > >> >> my
> > >> >> PS3 that is a PS2 is God of War 2. If I want to play a PS2 and my
PS3
> > >> >> couldn't do it? I would just use one of my 4 PS2 systems.
> >
> > >> > So, pretty much presumptions that the future lineup for software on
> > >> > the PS3 will have the same diversity as the original Playstation
and
> > >> > Playstation 2?
> >
> > >> Nope. Not the future. It's already here.
> >
> > > Exactly how is the PS3 lineup of games more diverse than the 360 or
> > > even Wii?
> >
> > If that has to be explained then I feel it will just be a waste of time.
>
> How many RPGs does the PS3 have boody? You know, THIS niche that was
> dominant on the PS2.
> How many quirky games like Katamari does the PS3 have? Eye of
> Judgment, right? Let's see, we have the few scraps on the Sony
> Network. You have Calling All Cars and Flo. Wait, there is that
> human catapult game.
> How many exclusive FPS's does it have? Let's see. Two? Let me know
> when Haze shows up.
> How many exclusive sports games does it have?
>
> The reason why you feel it is a waste of time, is you gave it thought,
> you couldn't give me an answer. So, it is best for you to not even
> try.
>
> Maybe THIS year, when stuff actually hits the shelf, you may be able
> to speak on it. And, don't give me PS2 games, as Sony has phased out
> backwards compatibility.

Remember when the PoS3tards were bragging about Super Rub-a-Dub? $50 for a
game based on the rubber duck demo.
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<richardhutnik RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 19, 8:57 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Doug Jacobs" <djac... RemoveThis @shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:13rms3oepbngde8@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> > In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 boodybandit
>> > <allaboutga... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> I don't take anything personally that this narrow minded zealot has to
>> >> say.
>> >> Sony has had the most diverse line up for the past 2 generations and
>> >> that
>> >> isn't going to change in this one.
>>
>> > HAS HAD, yes.
>>
>> And it isn't going to change.
>> Sorry but I don't need to read your spin and drivel
>
> It better change for the sake of the PS3,

Oh you mean that PS3 that is out selling the 360 world wide and has been for
over a year? Or the PS3 that is having it's attach rate (another thing the
haters liked to throw around) climb, climb and climb even higher with each
passing week? That PS3?

Yeah Sony better get their act together because they are failing miserably
*rolls-eyes*
You a riot hater. *holds out a straw* Quick Richie! GRAB IT because you're
running out of them.
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On Feb 20, 2:57 am, "Captain Jack Harkness"
<captainj... DeleteThis @torchwood.gov> wrote:
> <richardhut... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:923f6774-bb98-49be-84a4-e8ca6af98b16@71g2000hse.googlegroups.com...> On Feb 19, 3:00 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> > > <richardhut... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:27001c6b-3200-4c6e-ad55-f8ef1ed8495e@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > On Feb 19, 12:17 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >> <richardhut... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:e40225ca-9713-41e9-8b85-ea46e2e792bc@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > >> > On Feb 19, 8:05 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga... DeleteThis @comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > > >> >> richardhut... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> >> > Now that Sony has dropped backwards compatibility, I am curious
> what
> > > >> >> > the basis for loyalty to Sony would be, outside of maybe people
> like
> > > >> >> > Gran Turismo (aka first party exclusives).  Can anyone explain
> this
> > > >> >> > to
> > > >> >> > me here?
>
> > > >> >> No problem.
> > > >> >> Because Sony far and away has the most diverse software line up in
> > > >> >> gaming,
> > > >> >> PERIOD.
> > > >> >> BTW, it has not been officially announced that Sony has dropped
> > > >> >> backwards
> > > >> >> compatibility and even if they did who cares? The only game I
> played
> > > >> >> on
> > > >> >> my
> > > >> >> PS3 that is a PS2 is God of War 2. If I want to play a PS2 and my
> PS3
> > > >> >> couldn't do it? I would just use one of my 4 PS2 systems.
>
> > > >> > So, pretty much presumptions that the future lineup for software on
> > > >> > the PS3 will have the same diversity as the original Playstation
> and
> > > >> > Playstation 2?
>
> > > >> Nope. Not the future.  It's already here.
>
> > > > Exactly how is the PS3 lineup of games more diverse than the 360 or
> > > > even Wii?
>
> > > If that has to be explained then I feel it will just be a waste of time.
>
> > How many RPGs does the PS3 have boody?  You know, THIS niche that was
> > dominant on the PS2.
> > How many quirky games like Katamari does the PS3 have?  Eye of
> > Judgment, right?  Let's see, we have the few scraps on the Sony
> > Network.  You have Calling All Cars and Flo.  Wait, there is that
> > human catapult game.
> > How many exclusive FPS's does it have?  Let's see. Two?  Let me know
> > when Haze shows up.
> > How many exclusive sports games does it have?
>
> > The reason why you feel it is a waste of time, is you gave it thought,
> > you couldn't give me an answer.  So, it is best for you to not even
> > try.
>
> > Maybe THIS year, when stuff actually hits the shelf, you may be able
> > to speak on it.  And, don't give me PS2 games, as Sony has phased out
> > backwards compatibility.
>
> Remember when the PoS3tards were bragging about Super Rub-a-Dub?  $50 for a
> game based on the rubber duck demo.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Really dumb ass? Search the archives and find anyone who said they
would purchase it. Sticked to your lame ass canned responses to
Perkoff and Blig bitch slapping your ass. What a beautiful day it
would be if you 3 plus JDrozen found a way to not post.
 >> Stay informed about: What is the case of PS2 owners remaining loyal to Sony wit.. 

On Feb 20, 4:57 am, "Captain Jack Harkness"
<captainj....RemoveThis@torchwood.gov> wrote:
> <richardhut....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:923f6774-bb98-49be-84a4-e8ca6af98b16@71g2000hse.googlegroups.com...> On Feb 19, 3:00 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > <richardhut....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:27001c6b-3200-4c6e-ad55-f8ef1ed8495e@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > On Feb 19, 12:17 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >> <richardhut....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:e40225ca-9713-41e9-8b85-ea46e2e792bc@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > >> > On Feb 19, 8:05 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga....RemoveThis@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > > >> >> richardhut....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> >> > Now that Sony has dropped backwards compatibility, I am curious
> what
> > > >> >> > the basis for loyalty to Sony would be, outside of maybe people
> like
> > > >> >> > Gran Turismo (aka first party exclusives). Can anyone explain
> this
> > > >> >> > to
> > > >> >> > me here?
>
> > > >> >> No problem.
> > > >> >> Because Sony far and away has the most diverse software line up in
> > > >> >> gaming,
> > > >> >> PERIOD.
> > > >> >> BTW, it has not been officially announced that Sony has dropped
> > > >> >> backwards
> > > >> >> compatibility and even if they did who cares? The only game I
> played
> > > >> >> on
> > > >> >> my
> > > >> >> PS3 that is a PS2 is God of War 2. If I want to play a PS2 and my
> PS3
> > > >> >> couldn't do it? I would just use one of my 4 PS2 systems.
>
> > > >> > So, pretty much presumptions that the future lineup for software on
> > > >> > the PS3 will have the same diversity as the original Playstation
> and
> > > >> > Playstation 2?
>
> > > >> Nope. Not the future. It's already here.
>
> > > > Exactly how is the PS3 lineup of games more diverse than the 360 or
> > > > even Wii?
>
> > > If that has to be explained then I feel it will just be a waste of time.
>
> > How many RPGs does the PS3 have boody? You know, THIS niche that was
> > dominant on the PS2.
> > How many quirky games like Katamari does the PS3 have? Eye of
> > Judgment, right? Let's see, we have the few scraps on the Sony
> > Network. You have Calling All Cars and Flo. Wait, there is that
> > human catapult game.
> > How many exclusive FPS's does it have? Let's see. Two? Let me know
> > when Haze shows up.
> > How many exclusive sports games does it have?
>
> > The reason why you feel it is a waste of time, is you gave it thought,
> > you couldn't give me an answer. So, it is best for you to not even
> > try.
>
> > Maybe THIS year, when stuff actually hits the shelf, you may be able
> > to speak on it. And, don't give me PS2 games, as Sony has phased out
> > backwards compatibility.
>
> Remember when the PoS3tards were bragging about Super Rub-a-Dub? $50 for a
> game based on the rubber duck demo.

STOP crossposting your replies like this. DAMN! I post the message
on the Sony newsgroups, as it was relevant there, and you turn it into
more fanboy fodder!

- Rich
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On Feb 20, 12:05 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 20, 2:57 am, "Captain Jack Harkness"
>
>
>
> <captainj... RemoveThis @torchwood.gov> wrote:
> > <richardhut... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:923f6774-bb98-49be-84a4-e8ca6af98b16@71g2000hse.googlegroups.com...> On Feb 19, 3:00 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > <richardhut... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:27001c6b-3200-4c6e-ad55-f8ef1ed8495e@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > On Feb 19, 12:17 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > >> <richardhut... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:e40225ca-9713-41e9-8b85-ea46e2e792bc@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > >> > On Feb 19, 8:05 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga... RemoveThis @comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > >> >> richardhut... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >> >> > Now that Sony has dropped backwards compatibility, I am curious
> > what
> > > > >> >> > the basis for loyalty to Sony would be, outside of maybe people
> > like
> > > > >> >> > Gran Turismo (aka first party exclusives). Can anyone explain
> > this
> > > > >> >> > to
> > > > >> >> > me here?
>
> > > > >> >> No problem.
> > > > >> >> Because Sony far and away has the most diverse software line up in
> > > > >> >> gaming,
> > > > >> >> PERIOD.
> > > > >> >> BTW, it has not been officially announced that Sony has dropped
> > > > >> >> backwards
> > > > >> >> compatibility and even if they did who cares? The only game I
> > played
> > > > >> >> on
> > > > >> >> my
> > > > >> >> PS3 that is a PS2 is God of War 2. If I want to play a PS2 and my
> > PS3
> > > > >> >> couldn't do it? I would just use one of my 4 PS2 systems.
>
> > > > >> > So, pretty much presumptions that the future lineup for software on
> > > > >> > the PS3 will have the same diversity as the original Playstation
> > and
> > > > >> > Playstation 2?
>
> > > > >> Nope. Not the future. It's already here.
>
> > > > > Exactly how is the PS3 lineup of games more diverse than the 360 or
> > > > > even Wii?
>
> > > > If that has to be explained then I feel it will just be a waste of time.
>
> > > How many RPGs does the PS3 have boody? You know, THIS niche that was
> > > dominant on the PS2.
> > > How many quirky games like Katamari does the PS3 have? Eye of
> > > Judgment, right? Let's see, we have the few scraps on the Sony
> > > Network. You have Calling All Cars and Flo. Wait, there is that
> > > human catapult game.
> > > How many exclusive FPS's does it have? Let's see. Two? Let me know
> > > when Haze shows up.
> > > How many exclusive sports games does it have?
>
> > > The reason why you feel it is a waste of time, is you gave it thought,
> > > you couldn't give me an answer. So, it is best for you to not even
> > > try.
>
> > > Maybe THIS year, when stuff actually hits the shelf, you may be able
> > > to speak on it. And, don't give me PS2 games, as Sony has phased out
> > > backwards compatibility.
>
> > Remember when the PoS3tards were bragging about Super Rub-a-Dub? $50 for a
> > game based on the rubber duck demo.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Really dumb ass? Search the archives and find anyone who said they
> would purchase it. Sticked to your lame ass canned responses to
> Perkoff and Blig bitch slapping your ass. What a beautiful day it
> would be if you 3 plus JDrozen found a way to not post.

Hey, do you remember the advocacy newsgroup for video game systems? I
recall that way back when. Shame no one uses it any longer.

- Rich
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On Feb 20, 10:41 am, richardhut....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 20, 12:05 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 2:57 am, "Captain Jack Harkness"
>
> > <captainj....TakeThisOut@torchwood.gov> wrote:
> > > <richardhut....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:923f6774-bb98-49be-84a4-e8ca6af98b16@71g2000hse.googlegroups.com....> On Feb 19, 3:00 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > <richardhut....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:27001c6b-3200-4c6e-ad55-f8ef1ed8495e@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > > > > On Feb 19, 12:17 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> <richardhut....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >>news:e40225ca-9713-41e9-8b85-ea46e2e792bc@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > >> > On Feb 19, 8:05 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga....TakeThisOut@comcast.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> richardhut....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > Now that Sony has dropped backwards compatibility, I am curious
> > > what
> > > > > >> >> > the basis for loyalty to Sony would be, outside of maybe people
> > > like
> > > > > >> >> > Gran Turismo (aka first party exclusives).  Can anyone explain
> > > this
> > > > > >> >> > to
> > > > > >> >> > me here?
>
> > > > > >> >> No problem.
> > > > > >> >> Because Sony far and away has the most diverse software line up in
> > > > > >> >> gaming,
> > > > > >> >> PERIOD.
> > > > > >> >> BTW, it has not been officially announced that Sony has dropped
> > > > > >> >> backwards
> > > > > >> >> compatibility and even if they did who cares? The only game I
> > > played
> > > > > >> >> on
> > > > > >> >> my
> > > > > >> >> PS3 that is a PS2 is God of War 2. If I want to play a PS2 and my
> > > PS3
> > > > > >> >> couldn't do it? I would just use one of my 4 PS2 systems.
>
> > > > > >> > So, pretty much presumptions that the future lineup for software on
> > > > > >> > the PS3 will have the same diversity as the original Playstation
> > > and
> > > > > >> > Playstation 2?
>
> > > > > >> Nope. Not the future.  It's already here.
>
> > > > > > Exactly how is the PS3 lineup of games more diverse than the 360 or
> > > > > > even Wii?
>
> > > > > If that has to be explained then I feel it will just be a waste of time.
>
> > > > How many RPGs does the PS3 have boody?  You know, THIS niche that was
> > > > dominant on the PS2.
> > > > How many quirky games like Katamari does the PS3 have?  Eye of
> > > > Judgment, right?  Let's see, we have the few scraps on the Sony
> > > > Network.  You have Calling All Cars and Flo.  Wait, there is that
> > > > human catapult game.
> > > > How many exclusive FPS's does it have?  Let's see. Two?  Let me know
> > > > when Haze shows up.
> > > > How many exclusive sports games does it have?
>
> > > > The reason why you feel it is a waste of time, is you gave it thought,
> > > > you couldn't give me an answer.  So, it is best for you to not even
> > > > try.
>
> > > > Maybe THIS year, when stuff actually hits the shelf, you may be able
> > > > to speak on it.  And, don't give me PS2 games, as Sony has phased out
> > > > backwards compatibility.
>
> > > Remember when the PoS3tards were bragging about Super Rub-a-Dub?  $50 for a
> > > game based on the rubber duck demo.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Really dumb ass?  Search the archives and find anyone who said they
> > would purchase it.  Sticked to your lame ass canned responses to
> > Perkoff and Blig bitch slapping your ass.  What a beautiful day it
> > would be if you 3 plus JDrozen found a way to not post.
>
> Hey, do you remember the advocacy newsgroup for video game systems?  I
> recall that way back when.  Shame no one uses it any longer.
>
> - Rich- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That goes waaaaaaaaay back, Rich. Is it still around?
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On Feb 20, 4:33 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 20, 10:41 am, richardhut....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 20, 12:05 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 20, 2:57 am, "Captain Jack Harkness"
>
> > > <captainj....DeleteThis@torchwood.gov> wrote:
> > > > <richardhut....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:923f6774-bb98-49be-84a4-e8ca6af98b16@71g2000hse.googlegroups.com...> On Feb 19, 3:00 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > <richardhut....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > >news:27001c6b-3200-4c6e-ad55-f8ef1ed8495e@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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> > > > > > > On Feb 19, 12:17 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >> <richardhut....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > >>news:e40225ca-9713-41e9-8b85-ea46e2e792bc@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
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> > > > > > >> > On Feb 19, 8:05 am, "boodybandit" <allaboutga....DeleteThis@comcast.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> richardhut....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> > Now that Sony has dropped backwards compatibility, I am curious
> > > > what
> > > > > > >> >> > the basis for loyalty to Sony would be, outside of maybe people
> > > > like
> > > > > > >> >> > Gran Turismo (aka first party exclusives). Can anyone explain
> > > > this
> > > > > > >> >> > to
> > > > > > >> >> > me here?
>
> > > > > > >> >> No problem.
> > > > > > >> >> Because Sony far and away has the most diverse software line up in
> > > > > > >> >> gaming,
> > > > > > >> >> PERIOD.
> > > > > > >> >> BTW, it has not been officially announced that Sony has dropped
> > > > > > >> >> backwards
> > > > > > >> >> compatibility and even if they did who cares? The only game I
> > > > played
> > > > > > >> >> on
> > > > > > >> >> my
> > > > > > >> >> PS3 that is a PS2 is God of War 2. If I want to play a PS2 and my
> > > > PS3
> > > > > > >> >> couldn't do it? I would just use one of my 4 PS2 systems.
>
> > > > > > >> > So, pretty much presumptions that the future lineup for software on
> > > > > > >> > the PS3 will have the same diversity as the original Playstation
> > > > and
> > > > > > >> > Playstation 2?
>
> > > > > > >> Nope. Not the future. It's already here.
>
> > > > > > > Exactly how is the PS3 lineup of games more diverse than the 360 or
> > > > > > > even Wii?
>
> > > > > > If that has to be explained then I feel it will just be a waste of time.
>
> > > > > How many RPGs does the PS3 have boody? You know, THIS niche that was
> > > > > dominant on the PS2.
> > > > > How many quirky games like Katamari does the PS3 have? Eye of
> > > > > Judgment, right? Let's see, we have the few scraps on the Sony
> > > > > Network. You have Calling All Cars and Flo. Wait, there is that
> > > > > human catapult game.
> > > > > How many exclusive FPS's does it have? Let's see. Two? Let me know
> > > > > when Haze shows up.
> > > > > How many exclusive sports games does it have?
>
> > > > > The reason why you feel it is a waste of time, is you gave it thought,
> > > > > you couldn't give me an answer. So, it is best for you to not even
> > > > > try.
>
> > > > > Maybe THIS year, when stuff actually hits the shelf, you may be able
> > > > > to speak on it. And, don't give me PS2 games, as Sony has phased out
> > > > > backwards compatibility.
>
> > > > Remember when the PoS3tards were bragging about Super Rub-a-Dub? $50 for a
> > > > game based on the rubber duck demo.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > Really dumb ass? Search the archives and find anyone who said they
> > > would purchase it. Sticked to your lame ass canned responses to
> > > Perkoff and Blig bitch slapping your ass. What a beautiful day it
> > > would be if you 3 plus JDrozen found a way to not post.
>
> > Hey, do you remember the advocacy newsgroup for video game systems? I
> > recall that way back when. Shame no one uses it any longer.
>
> > - Rich- Hide quoted text -
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> That goes waaaaaaaaay back, Rich. Is it still around?

It probably is. One could check google groups to see.Not that anyone
would use it, but if the partisans would be drawn to it, it would be
much better for the health of these newsgroups. What has replaced
doing that, is everyone getting a killfilter, which is like "I will
filter my own water. The rest of you peons enjoy the sludge".

My use of Usenet goes all the way back to pre-Jaguar days actually.

- Rich
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richardhutnik.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> When it comes to JRPGs, Microsoft has made far more inroads into that
> area than Sony has made into other genres Microsoft had.

Doug Jacobs <djacobs.TakeThisOut@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
>Which makes no sense to me whatsoever.

What really doesn't make sense is despite this, the Japanese aren't
buying the XBox 360.

>The PS2 dominated the JRPG field, and JRPGs are obviously one of the
>stronger genres in Japan. Sony should have had no problems attracting
>JRPGs to the PS3, yet....where are they? So far, there's FFXIII, FFXIII
>Versus, Disgaea 3 (Japan only right now) and that's about it.

The difference is that Microsoft is spending a lot more money to trying
to bring JRPGs to the XBox 360. Compared to Microsoft, Sony isn't having
much trouble at bringing them to the PS3. The big problem seems to be
getting them made at all, if it weren't for the Microsoft financed JRPGs
the genre would be looking pretty dead right now.

>Viva seems very much like the type of quirky game that would appeal to
>more Playstation fans than run&gunning fans of the Xbox. Besides which,
>it's cute, and the Japanese (in general) LOVE cute.

Viva Pinata was developed by Rare, a wholely owned subsidary of Microsoft,
so there was never a chance of it comming out on any Sony platform.

>I thought about this as well, but it doesn't make sense to seemingly dump
>your core competencies to attack your competitor's strong point.
>
>Now if the PS3 had a similar library to that of the PS2, and THEN rolled
>out Resistance:Fall Of Man, Haze, SOCOM, etc., then this makes sense.

When the PlayStation 2 came out pretty much the same thing happened,
lots of shooters, few RPGs. I think this partly reflects the fact
that shooters are easier to make, and partly reflects the interests
of early console adopters. It took a couple of years before the PS2
started pump out one good RPG after another, while the number shooters
steadily declined.

>I'm no business major, but even I know that you always deal from a
>position of strength. Establish yourself in in a niche first, then work
>on spreading out. In this case, it's almost as if Sony just assumed
>the other games would somehow magically show up or something, so they
>just turned their focus on the shoother and online gaming element to
>take out Microsoft.

I think you're over estimating how much influence Sony and Microsoft
have on the types of titles that get released on their platforms.
It's the developers that choose what games to make. All Sony and
Microsoft can really do, beside developing their own games in house,
is to pay for exclusivity. Microsoft, with much deeper pockets and
desperate to avoid the repeating the failure of the XBox in Japan, have
been much more proactive in that market, but really all they've really
done is to bring some titles to the XBox 360 that otherwise would gone
to the PlayStation 3.

Oh, and to show just how far Microsoft is willing to go to court the
Japanese market:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Idolm@ster

It's apparently been quite the system seller.

Ross Ridge

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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 boodybandit <allaboutgamez RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> Oh you mean that PS3 that is out selling the 360 world wide and has been for
> over a year? Or the PS3 that is having it's attach rate (another thing the
> haters liked to throw around) climb, climb and climb even higher with each
> passing week? That PS3?

The PS3 may be selling better, but that doesn't mean that its library is
more diverse than previous Playstations or even the 360.

Looking at the PS3's anticipated titles of 2008, 4 or 5 of them are first
or third person shooters. That's not what I really call a good diverse
selection - especially since both the PS1 and PS2 weren't known for their
FPS titles compared to the competition (N64 had Goldeneye, and Xbox had
Halo1, 2)

I don't have a problem with Sony pursuing the shooter genre, but not at
the expense of the others that made the Playstation the best console for
the past two generations.

The Playstation has a ton of great titles and franchises that, if released
for the PS3, would have guaranteed Sony's 3rd consecutive generation.

Yet, many franchises seem to have died, been forgotten, or just moved onto
other platforms.

For instance, why is Bully: Scholarship Edition coming to the 360, but not
the PS3?

Where's the next Jak&Daxter title? Why instead is Insomniac Games working
so hard on FPS titles when even Sony has said that the 360 is the better
console for such games? At least the PS3 got a R&C title (yay) but
there's so much more. Klonoa would look awesome in HD, don't you think?
And the PS3 is rather devoid of traditional platformers. The 'Tales
of...' and Star Ocean franchises of RPGs were big on the PS1 and PS2, yet
there's been no mention of them coming to the PS3. Then there are games
like Ace Combat and Katamari which inexplicably went from being Playstation
exclusive to being Xbox exclusive. What's up with that?

Sure, there are plenty of games lined up for 2008, but as a Playstation
fan, I certainly didn't see a whole lot to get excited about.

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