assassin or dreadnaught

"Seamus" <fomorianwolf RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 24, 3:24 pm, "The Cheshire Cat" <Rokn... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> well, ive been thinking, and i have two choices: assassin or dreadnaught.
> dreadnaught is pretty much invulnerable in hand to hand when fighting
> basic
> troop, but an assassin can be taken down by small arms fire.

> my dreadnaught gets a ws 5, and has an assault cannon. any thoughts?

Is this for your Grey Knights? It really depends on how you play your
army.

The assassin would be great fror that nice stealth kill, but if you're
looking for a good amount of antipersonnel, go with the dreadnought.

Me, I'd probably go for the Callidus just to see how the "kingslayer
attempt" plays out.

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i see what you mean. i havent used an assassin in so long its crazy.
normally i just use my dreadnaught and hope it gets into close combat.
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"The Cheshire Cat" <Roknese.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Seamus" <fomorianwolf.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 24, 3:24 pm, "The Cheshire Cat" <Rokn....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>> well, ive been thinking, and i have two choices: assassin or dreadnaught.
>> dreadnaught is pretty much invulnerable in hand to hand when fighting
>> basic
>> troop, but an assassin can be taken down by small arms fire.
>
>> my dreadnaught gets a ws 5, and has an assault cannon. any thoughts?
>
> Is this for your Grey Knights? It really depends on how you play your
> army.
>
> The assassin would be great fror that nice stealth kill, but if you're
> looking for a good amount of antipersonnel, go with the dreadnought.
>
> Me, I'd probably go for the Callidus just to see how the "kingslayer
> attempt" plays out.
>
> ____________________________
>
>
> i see what you mean. i havent used an assassin in so long its crazy.
> normally i just use my dreadnaught and hope it gets into close combat.

it's not really a big deal if it doesn't, since any firepower that goes into
taking down a dreadnought isn't going into taking down GK infantry, which
are always gonna do the bulk of your killing.
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:35:51 GMT, "Doctor Rock"
<malafex.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>
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>> "Seamus" <fomorianwolf.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Jan 24, 3:24 pm, "The Cheshire Cat" <Rokn....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> well, ive been thinking, and i have two choices: assassin or dreadnaught.
>>> dreadnaught is pretty much invulnerable in hand to hand when fighting
>>> basic
>>> troop, but an assassin can be taken down by small arms fire.
>>
>>> my dreadnaught gets a ws 5, and has an assault cannon. any thoughts?
>>
>> Is this for your Grey Knights? It really depends on how you play your
>> army.
>>
>> The assassin would be great fror that nice stealth kill, but if you're
>> looking for a good amount of antipersonnel, go with the dreadnought.
>>
>> Me, I'd probably go for the Callidus just to see how the "kingslayer
>> attempt" plays out.
>>
>> ____________________________
>>
>>
>> i see what you mean. i havent used an assassin in so long its crazy.
>> normally i just use my dreadnaught and hope it gets into close combat.
>
>it's not really a big deal if it doesn't, since any firepower that goes into
>taking down a dreadnought isn't going into taking down GK infantry, which
>are always gonna do the bulk of your killing.

I agree with Al here. The Dreadnought makes a scary target and can
still get some good licks in. If it does get across the table,
awesome! If it doesn't, no big deal, all that fire's avoiding your
Grey Knights. You also could use the anti-tank support it brings too,
unless you've got other vehicles and/or supporting IG with heavy
weapons.

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"Erik Setzer" <kgavrin-at-gmail-dot-com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:35:51 GMT, "Doctor Rock"
> <malafex.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"The Cheshire Cat" <Roknese.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Seamus" <fomorianwolf.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:3035a49a-d1fd-488d-8f57-7f41e483619e@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jan 24, 3:24 pm, "The Cheshire Cat" <Rokn....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> well, ive been thinking, and i have two choices: assassin or
>>>> dreadnaught.
>>>> dreadnaught is pretty much invulnerable in hand to hand when fighting
>>>> basic
>>>> troop, but an assassin can be taken down by small arms fire.
>>>
>>>> my dreadnaught gets a ws 5, and has an assault cannon. any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Is this for your Grey Knights? It really depends on how you play your
>>> army.
>>>
>>> The assassin would be great fror that nice stealth kill, but if you're
>>> looking for a good amount of antipersonnel, go with the dreadnought.
>>>
>>> Me, I'd probably go for the Callidus just to see how the "kingslayer
>>> attempt" plays out.
>>>
>>> ____________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> i see what you mean. i havent used an assassin in so long its crazy.
>>> normally i just use my dreadnaught and hope it gets into close combat.
>>
>>it's not really a big deal if it doesn't, since any firepower that goes
>>into
>>taking down a dreadnought isn't going into taking down GK infantry, which
>>are always gonna do the bulk of your killing.
>
> I agree with Al here. The Dreadnought makes a scary target and can
> still get some good licks in. If it does get across the table,
> awesome! If it doesn't, no big deal, all that fire's avoiding your
> Grey Knights. You also could use the anti-tank support it brings too,
> unless you've got other vehicles and/or supporting IG with heavy
> weapons.


plasma cannon used to be my weapon of choice but now that thats not an
option i went with the assault cannon. while it makes the dread a bit less
enticing to me, youre right, the rest of it is fine.

my gk army is in my other thread. i have 3 squads in my platoon all with las
and missile launchers, along with a leman rus, so tankbusting isnt the
biggest priority for my dread
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:53:31 -0500, "The Cheshire Cat"
<Roknese.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:

>
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>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:35:51 GMT, "Doctor Rock"
>> <malafex.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"The Cheshire Cat" <Roknese.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>> "Seamus" <fomorianwolf.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On Jan 24, 3:24 pm, "The Cheshire Cat" <Rokn....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> well, ive been thinking, and i have two choices: assassin or
>>>>> dreadnaught.
>>>>> dreadnaught is pretty much invulnerable in hand to hand when fighting
>>>>> basic
>>>>> troop, but an assassin can be taken down by small arms fire.
>>>>
>>>>> my dreadnaught gets a ws 5, and has an assault cannon. any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Is this for your Grey Knights? It really depends on how you play your
>>>> army.
>>>>
>>>> The assassin would be great fror that nice stealth kill, but if you're
>>>> looking for a good amount of antipersonnel, go with the dreadnought.
>>>>
>>>> Me, I'd probably go for the Callidus just to see how the "kingslayer
>>>> attempt" plays out.
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i see what you mean. i havent used an assassin in so long its crazy.
>>>> normally i just use my dreadnaught and hope it gets into close combat.
>>>
>>>it's not really a big deal if it doesn't, since any firepower that goes
>>>into
>>>taking down a dreadnought isn't going into taking down GK infantry, which
>>>are always gonna do the bulk of your killing.
>>
>> I agree with Al here. The Dreadnought makes a scary target and can
>> still get some good licks in. If it does get across the table,
>> awesome! If it doesn't, no big deal, all that fire's avoiding your
>> Grey Knights. You also could use the anti-tank support it brings too,
>> unless you've got other vehicles and/or supporting IG with heavy
>> weapons.
>
>
>plasma cannon used to be my weapon of choice but now that thats not an
>option i went with the assault cannon. while it makes the dread a bit less
>enticing to me, youre right, the rest of it is fine.
>
>my gk army is in my other thread. i have 3 squads in my platoon all with las
>and missile launchers, along with a leman rus, so tankbusting isnt the
>biggest priority for my dread

Hmm... Wow, that does make it a bit more of a tough choice. The
Assassin can get in and kill things pretty good while being a heck of
a distraction. The Dreadnought has some killing power and could
attract fire from your Grey Knights. So it's kind of up for grabs
whether you want to drop a distraction right in their laps, or go the
other route.

Though the Callidus' "Whisper in your ear" rule is also pretty darn
useful.

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Snip>

> Though the Callidus' "Whisper in your ear" rule is also pretty darn
> useful.

Ok, I know what the rules state about implementing this, but I've always
been bugged by the fact that, for all intents and purposes, you are telling
your opponent that you're using one of these assassins. Kinda defeats the
whole "stealth" aspect of that assasssin, IMO.
No real point to this post, just a sleep-deprived kvetch. I love lamp.

drgrbek
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Given your list has no Inquisitor or Inquisitor Lord already, you won't be
able to take an assassin unless you free up some more points to fit an
Inquisitor in - see the box next to the assassin entry where it states you
have to have an Inquisitor in your army to take one.

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Doctor wrote on Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:17:10 GMT:


> actually he didn't get as far as sergeant. and he didn't even have a
> squad as such. he volunteered as a "runner" (no radio in them days) and
> made corporal before being IVed out (injured in a backfiring gas attack,
> IIRC).

But it did wonders for his political career (at least for a few years), and
the "all gas and not a complete set of balls" seems to have rubbed off on
many modern day politicians.

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relkins wrote:
> Snip>
>
>> Though the Callidus' "Whisper in your ear" rule is also pretty darn
>> useful.
>
> Ok, I know what the rules state about implementing this, but I've always
> been bugged by the fact that, for all intents and purposes, you are telling
> your opponent that you're using one of these assassins. Kinda defeats the
> whole "stealth" aspect of that assasssin, IMO.
> No real point to this post, just a sleep-deprived kvetch. I love lamp.

Well yeah... but you would pretty much do that anyway in a tourney or
friendly game setting anyway, wouldn't you? I mean if anyone asks to see
your army list what would you do?
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:10:24 -0500, Richard Busby
<richbusby.DeleteThis@hatespam.bellsouth.net> wrote:

>relkins wrote:
>> Snip>
>>
>>> Though the Callidus' "Whisper in your ear" rule is also pretty darn
>>> useful.
>>
>> Ok, I know what the rules state about implementing this, but I've always
>> been bugged by the fact that, for all intents and purposes, you are telling
>> your opponent that you're using one of these assassins. Kinda defeats the
>> whole "stealth" aspect of that assasssin, IMO.
>> No real point to this post, just a sleep-deprived kvetch. I love lamp.
>
>Well yeah... but you would pretty much do that anyway in a tourney or
>friendly game setting anyway, wouldn't you? I mean if anyone asks to see
>your army list what would you do?

Even better that the 5E leak says you HAVE to show your list if
asked...

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