Can addon make lag?

On Jan 30, 3:53 pm, "Klaus G." <klaus_g... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> So now I ask, have u ever heard or expirenced that AddOn's might be the
> cause of high Latency/Ping. I usally have 400-800.

Was your latency always like this, or did this start to happen
recently?

The DSL light on my modem started going off every few seconds, before
turning on again, about 2 weeks ago, DCing me from game and Net. ISP
at first said it was my phone line, then said my modem was dying. I
received a new modem via mail this past Friday, and ever since I
hooked it up, nothing but a yellow latency bar, >300 latency every
time I play the game, whereas previously, for the 14 months I've been
playing WoW, it had always been green, ~150 latency.

I've checked the Tech Support Forums, and apparently a lot of folks
have been having high latency since Friday for whatever reason. I've
changed nothing on my computer, and at this point, have no clue
whether it's a WoW issue, or if I should be back on the phone,
complaining to my ISP.

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"Klaus G." <klaus_godt.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: Hey.
:
: I've been having some major problems with lag(high latency/ping) in WoW. All
: other online games have good ping, beside WoW,so I dont think its my
: connection/ISP. My Friends have good ping, so I dont think its the realm
: either.
:
: I've updated the firmware on my Modem and router, no good.
: I have high ingame FPS(never below 50, nomatter where I go), so its not
: that.
: No P2P programs running.
: Wireless is turned off on the Router.
: Nothing is shared on my computer.
:
: So now I ask, have u ever heard or expirenced that AddOn's might be the
: cause of high Latency/Ping. I usally have 400-800.
:
:
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: Klaus G. // Seth-Enoch
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:


1.) my game machines:
http://www.smokeypoint.com/My_PC.htm

2.) cable modem, power user account 6-8 mps

3.) Bliz intro popup / background downloader disabled.

4.) Zebby is at Honor hold right now as I type this (on other game Machine)

Latency: 174ms (green)
Frame rate 75 fps

This is usual for me and my connection. Occasionally I do see a yellow at 325 ms and 34
fps. I look around and see many many other characters around me. At no time do I ever see
anything like you have. 400-800 ! I'd be on my ISP's phone right now.


The big caveat and biscuits here is that since I have cable modem I can only expect "up
to" 6-8meg throughput on quiet evenings. IF every one else out here at the grange gets on
their cable modems, I will be "scaled" down. So far out here in the country this has not
been a noticeable problem.

I would suspect your ISP and the server/router path you take over the earth to get to the
Bliz WoW server.
Certain times of the year ISP types knock down their paths to service them. Then again
like the man said AT&T needs to drop off once in a while to change the nsa tapes, then
there is no telling what your traceroute is to Bliz from your house. So your slowdown
could be coming from anywhere imho.

oh, I have many add-ons from cosmos. Like 4.37 mb.
1.53 mg Alpha map
698 kb Sea
400 kb MCom.

If I uninstall these cosmos dittys, I see no difference in latency.

** no fate **

dracman
Tomb Raider: Shotgun City
http://www.smokeypoint.com/tomb.htm
my game machines:
http://www.smokeypoint.com/My_PC.htm

Aliase female hume rogue lvl 70 PVE solo
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Zul%27jin&n=Aliase
Subtlety
5/22/34

Zebby female NE Huntress lvl 70 / Aja nightstalker cat lvl 70 (bite,prowl)
PVE solo
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Zul%27jin&n=Zebby
Marksmanship
17/34/10

WoW ingame pictures in a smoke free environment:
http://www.smokeypoint.com/if_airport/telaar.html
http://www.smokeypoint.com/if_airport/IF_airport.htm
http://www.smokeypoint.org/wow/worldofwarcraft1.html

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"Lewis" <gkreme.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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: In article <47a11754$0$1629$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com>,
: "Dr Richard Cranium" <dracman.DeleteThis@compuserve.com> wrote:
:
: > oh, I have many add-ons from cosmos. Like 4.37 mb.
:
: Tee Hee
:
: My addon folder is 118MB and contains a total of 165 addons. I pared
: down a bit recently and replaced some old things with Ace addons.
:
: I don't have any issues with ping times (34-80ms normal)
:
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Tee Hee ?

I guess I can install more add-ons huh.

I do get 78ms less than a third of the time like after every one in my neighbourhood goes
to sleep.
Then I know i am rocking with throughput I am paying for.

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On Jan 31, 8:06 am, Urs Steiner <inva....TakeThisOut@darkstone.ch> wrote:
> Most won't show you casting amp magic, but that's a 10min buff anyway,
> isn't it?

10 minutes, and very situational. I can count all of 3 bosses that we
use it on post expansion (Prince, Gruul, and Nalorakk).

Anyways, a damage meter is by far a required tool for a raid leader.
If you're complaining that you're low on the damage meter because
you're refreshing a sheep or casting a buff, then you're doing
something wrong. That's a 3-4s diversion at most.

Using something like WWS (an log analysis damage meter that is used on
the web) I have convinced many people to change their spell rotations
(because I can see every spell they cast during a fight), work on
their hit rating, or show them the benefit of a certain talent or
ability (such as how much mana the shadow priest in their group gave
them, or how many times a certain item tends to proc in a certain
fight).

And it does indeed show who is slacking. If I see a DPS'er who
consistently comes in right above or under a tank, then they're not
coming to the next raid. As another benefit, meter competition
actually HELPS quite a bit. DPS is key to many fights. Higher DPS
means the fight is shorter, adds get taken care of quicker, etc. A
lot of people who might otherwise think their gear is fine have
nitpicked all sorts of upgrades trying to up their meter positions,
and as a result they help the raid by performing better.

Mike
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On Jan 30, 3:53 pm, "Klaus G." <klaus_g....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hey.
>
> I've been having some major problems with lag(high latency/ping) in WoW. All
> other online games have good ping, beside WoW,so I dont think its my
> connection/ISP. My Friends have good ping, so I dont think its the realm
> either.
>
> I've updated the firmware on my Modem and router, no good.
> I have high ingame FPS(never below 50, nomatter where I go), so its not
> that.
> No P2P programs running.
> Wireless is turned off on the Router.
> Nothing is shared on my computer.
>
> So now I ask, have u ever heard or expirenced that AddOn's might be the
> cause of high Latency/Ping. I usally have 400-800.

Addons shouldn't theoretically be able to increase your ping. They
can slow down your computer if they use exessive RAM, causing a low
framerate, but ping time is solely a network function. Not sure what
it could be, but I'd definately say that you should probably look
elsewhere for this issue.

Mike
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On Jan 31, 5:00 am, "JohnR" <repro....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Shammy" <n....RemoveThis@nothing.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fns3ir$7gl$1@localhost.localdomain...>J> so they serve little useful purpose really other that for people who
> > J> like to wank their epeen.
>
> > Some type of dmgmeter is a MUST for all raid leaders and class leaders who
> > need to know who is slacking.
>
> It isn't a must at all, that's a gross exaggeration. It provides them some
> information who is wanking hardest and then that doesn't account for
> decursing or other time spent for example refreshing amp magic on tanks and
> such. No epeen meter will show that information easily and raid leaders
> don't spend time studying it during raids.

Thats why it takes someone who knows the classes and knows the fight
involved and who was doing what to really make sense of what a damage
meter is saying. If the person looking at a damage meter sees a
shadow priest with low DPS but knows that priest shifted to healing
partway through the fight, the lack of DPS was for an obvious reason.
If however that shadow priest had no responsiblity other than to DPS
through the fight and still came out much lower than everyone else,
there might be a problem there. Interpretation of damage meter data
can't be done by numbers alone.
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On Jan 31, 9:27 am, "mbga...@gmail.com" <mbga....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 8:06 am, Urs Steiner <inva....RemoveThis@darkstone.ch> wrote:
>
> > Most won't show you casting amp magic, but that's a 10min buff anyway,
> > isn't it?
>
> 10 minutes, and very situational. I can count all of 3 bosses that we
> use it on post expansion (Prince, Gruul, and Nalorakk).
>
> Anyways, a damage meter is by far a required tool for a raid leader.
> If you're complaining that you're low on the damage meter because
> you're refreshing a sheep or casting a buff, then you're doing
> something wrong. That's a 3-4s diversion at most.
>
> Using something like WWS (an log analysis damage meter that is used on
> the web) I have convinced many people to change their spell rotations
> (because I can see every spell they cast during a fight), work on
> their hit rating, or show them the benefit of a certain talent or
> ability (such as how much mana the shadow priest in their group gave
> them, or how many times a certain item tends to proc in a certain
> fight).
>
> And it does indeed show who is slacking. If I see a DPS'er who
> consistently comes in right above or under a tank, then they're not
> coming to the next raid. As another benefit, meter competition
> actually HELPS quite a bit. DPS is key to many fights. Higher DPS
> means the fight is shorter, adds get taken care of quicker, etc. A
> lot of people who might otherwise think their gear is fine have
> nitpicked all sorts of upgrades trying to up their meter positions,
> and as a result they help the raid by performing better.
>
> Mike

3-4s diversion on one fight doesn't make a huge impact in 1 fight.
3-4s in every fight through a whole instance or raid can add up to a
lot of lost DPS for that one person.
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On Jan 31, 9:30 am, "mbga...@gmail.com" <mbga... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 30, 3:53 pm, "Klaus G." <klaus_g... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hey.
>
> > I've been having some major problems with lag(high latency/ping) in WoW. All
> > other online games have good ping, beside WoW,so I dont think its my
> > connection/ISP. My Friends have good ping, so I dont think its the realm
> > either.
>
> > I've updated the firmware on my Modem and router, no good.
> > I have high ingame FPS(never below 50, nomatter where I go), so its not
> > that.
> > No P2P programs running.
> > Wireless is turned off on the Router.
> > Nothing is shared on my computer.
>
> > So now I ask, have u ever heard or expirenced that AddOn's might be the
> > cause of high Latency/Ping. I usally have 400-800.
>
> Addons shouldn't theoretically be able to increase your ping. They
> can slow down your computer if they use exessive RAM, causing a low
> framerate, but ping time is solely a network function. Not sure what
> it could be, but I'd definately say that you should probably look
> elsewhere for this issue.
>
> Mike

They can increase network traffic though, such as threat meters which
are sharing information among other members of the group. Larger
groups such as raids will further increase the network traffic, as
there is more incoming information, and more people to output
information to.
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On Jan 31, 9:49 am, lcpltom <lcpl....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 3-4s diversion on one fight doesn't make a huge impact in 1 fight.
> 3-4s in every fight through a whole instance or raid can add up to a
> lot of lost DPS for that one person.

Not as much as you'd think, and aside from that, most people using
damage meters in a useful way reset them on every boss attempt
(because performance in trash is not important), or in the case of WWS
(and I think Recount but I've not tried it before), you can simply
narrow the results down to single boss attempts anyways. It's quite
often that the people who top the meters on boss attempts (where it
matters) are NOT on top for the whole raid.

Mike
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On Jan 31, 9:51 am, lcpltom <lcpl....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> They can increase network traffic though, such as threat meters which
> are sharing information among other members of the group. Larger
> groups such as raids will further increase the network traffic, as
> there is more incoming information, and more people to output
> information to.

On Jan 31, 9:51 am, lcpltom <lcpl....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> They can increase network traffic though, such as threat meters which
> are sharing information among other members of the group. Larger
> groups such as raids will further increase the network traffic, as
> there is more incoming information, and more people to output
> information to.

Hadn't thought of that, but it is certainly true. Still, that's
generally a trivial ammount of information to send, even in a large
raid. If the addon was buggy and/or broken though it could send far
more data than it needs to and cause problems.

Having said that, I use Omen, X-Perl, Cartographer, Recount, and oRA2
(all of which send network information, along with countless more
addons which don't sent it), and my average ping is 100-150ms (though
I've recently been seeing it as low as 70-ish ms).

Mike
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On Jan 31, 3:46 am, "JohnR" <repro....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "PV" <pv+use...@pobox.com> wrote in message
>
> news:13q1q0obni8haa9@news.supernews.com...> "Klaus G." <klaus_g....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> writes:
> >>So now I ask, have u ever heard or expirenced that AddOn's might be the
> >>cause of high Latency/Ping. I usally have 400-800.
>
> > It's certainly possible. KTM Threatmeter was infamous for being a resource
> > hog and lag source, and I've heard the same thing about some of the
> > damagemeters too. *
>
> I've stopped using damage meters now partly for that reason - they also do
> nothing but distract me and I log combat for parsing in WWS so they serve
> little useful purpose really other that for people who like to wank their
> epeen.

I actually thought the same when I was on my warrior. But on my dps
characters - mage, rogue - there is nothing else that I look forward
too. Also these damage meters do tell me how I'm doing and how other
specs compare with each other. In my case, it has nothing to do with
epeen
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On Jan 31, 2:30 pm, "mbga...@gmail.com" <mbga....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> > So now I ask, have u ever heard or expirenced that AddOn's might be the
> > cause of high Latency/Ping. I usally have 400-800.
>
> Addons shouldn't theoretically be able to increase your ping.  They
> can slow down your computer if they use exessive RAM, causing a low
> framerate, but ping time is solely a network function. Not sure what
> it could be, but I'd definately say that you should probably look
> elsewhere for this issue.

I had framerate problems one day a while ago, and I suspect a bugged
addon was the problem. They shouldn't really cause lag. It fixed
itself anyway and the problem hasn't recurred.

Since the most recent patch, most people on my server (EU Darkmoon
Faire) have been getting variably bad lag, as well as lag spikes even
when overall lag is green. It seems to be more common in instances.
(It has improved over the last few days, but maybe I've been lucky, or
maybe it is worse at weekends.)

I blame Blizzard.

- Gerry Quinn
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