Yoke vs Joystick control

Andy wrote:
> ...I can put the plane into a turn then let the yoke recentre
> itself and the aircraft will stay in the turn until I effectively have to
> turn the other dierction to bring the aircraft back to straight and level
> flight.
> Having never flown IRL I don't know if my yoke is behaving correctly or not.

That's pretty much correct. IRL, it depends on the aircraft, aileron
design, but most importantly, bank angle. Most medium turns require
little to no continuous pressure, while shallow banks do, and steep
turns (in excess of 45 deg of bank) can actually require opposite
aileron (to keep the aircraft from performing a wingover)!

Larger aircraft, and more especially commercial aircraft (with
fly-by-wire systems) perform in this manner, as well. You roll the
wings, and then re-center the yoke, roll out by doing it in reverse.

Here's a tip to flying with a yoke: in a turn, your nose will tend to
drop, and rolling out will tend to cause it to rise. My instructor
always taught me to "stir the punchbowl", by always pulling the yoke out
rolling in, and pushing in while rolling out (in a smooth, continuous
motion). It really helps when doing steep turns, too.

TheSmokingGnu
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Thanks PPS.

Andy

"PPS" <jgardner.TakeThisOut@nitroREMOVETHISgraphix.Kom> wrote in message
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> Thats exaclty how it works in RL...use elevator and/or throttle to
> maintain altitude in the turn.
>
>
>
> "Andy" <andy.TakeThisOut@ForMeToKnow.au> wrote in message
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>> Hi All,
>> I am used to simming with a joystick but have just got myself a CH yoke.
>> I have noticed that turning using the yoke is different than using the
>> joystick ie with joystick I had to keep the pressure on during the turn
>> but with the yoke I can put the plane into a turn then let the yoke
>> recentre itself and the aircraft will stay in the turn until I
>> effectively have to turn the other dierction to bring the aircraft back
>> to straight and level flight.
>> Having never flown IRL I don't know if my yoke is behaving correctly or
>> not.
>>
>> Can anyone please explain how a yoke handles IRL compared to joytick
>> control.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>
>
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PPS <jgardner DeleteThis @nitroremovethisgraphix.kom> wrote:
> Thats exaclty how it works in RL...use elevator and/or throttle to maintain
> altitude in the turn.

Dunno what you're flying, but in my Bonanza if I re-center the yoke after
a turn, the plane rolls wings level. As does every other plane I've
flown.

I think you skimmed the original posters note a bit too quickly.

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR
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Thanks for hints/tips.
Simming with a yoke feels so different than using the joystick.
Normally I fly (sim) a PSS Dash8 Q300.

Andy


"TheSmokingGnu" <anonymityisavirtue.RemoveThis@1111011010011.com> wrote in message
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> Andy wrote:
>> ...I can put the plane into a turn then let the yoke recentre itself and
>> the aircraft will stay in the turn until I effectively have to turn the
>> other dierction to bring the aircraft back to straight and level flight.
>> Having never flown IRL I don't know if my yoke is behaving correctly or
>> not.
>
> That's pretty much correct. IRL, it depends on the aircraft, aileron
> design, but most importantly, bank angle. Most medium turns require little
> to no continuous pressure, while shallow banks do, and steep turns (in
> excess of 45 deg of bank) can actually require opposite aileron (to keep
> the aircraft from performing a wingover)!
>
> Larger aircraft, and more especially commercial aircraft (with fly-by-wire
> systems) perform in this manner, as well. You roll the wings, and then
> re-center the yoke, roll out by doing it in reverse.
>
> Here's a tip to flying with a yoke: in a turn, your nose will tend to
> drop, and rolling out will tend to cause it to rise. My instructor always
> taught me to "stir the punchbowl", by always pulling the yoke out rolling
> in, and pushing in while rolling out (in a smooth, continuous motion). It
> really helps when doing steep turns, too.
>
> TheSmokingGnu
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Works the way its supposed to here, just like RL. You roll into a turn, set
the bank angle, and then return the ailerons to center. If you trim for the
turn, it will stay there until you either use opposite aileron to straighten
back to wings level, or run outa gas.




"Frank Stutzman" <stutzman.TakeThisOut@skylane.kjsl.com> wrote in message
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> PPS <jgardner.TakeThisOut@nitroremovethisgraphix.kom> wrote:
>> Thats exaclty how it works in RL...use elevator and/or throttle to
>> maintain
>> altitude in the turn.
>
> Dunno what you're flying, but in my Bonanza if I re-center the yoke after
> a turn, the plane rolls wings level. As does every other plane I've
> flown.
>
> I think you skimmed the original posters note a bit too quickly.
>
> --
> Frank Stutzman
> Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
> Hood River, OR
>
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"Andy"
> with the yoke I can put the plane into a turn then let the yoke recentre
> itself and the aircraft will stay in the turn

Na... there's something wrong with your set up... or the aircraft you are
using. Almost all aircraft (exceptions being some jet fighters and Airbus?)
are designed to dynamically level their own wings.

The yoke and the stick act exactly the same way both in the sim and real
life. Try a few different aircraft to see if it happens in all of them.


Dallas
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Dallas wrote:

>
> Na... there's something wrong with your set up... or the aircraft you are
> using. Almost all aircraft (exceptions being some jet fighters and Airbus?)
> are designed to dynamically level their own wings.
>
> The yoke and the stick act exactly the same way both in the sim and real
> life. Try a few different aircraft to see if it happens in all of them.
>
>
> Dallas
>
>

WHOA there big fella.......

--

boB
Wing 70

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
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Now I am getting confused
Some say is ok - some say not.

I have tried on a few different aircraft - results are all the same.

Andy.

"boB" <psycho.puppyXXXX RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Dallas wrote:
>
>>
>> Na... there's something wrong with your set up... or the aircraft you are
>> using. Almost all aircraft (exceptions being some jet fighters and
>> Airbus?)
>> are designed to dynamically level their own wings.
>>
>> The yoke and the stick act exactly the same way both in the sim and real
>> life. Try a few different aircraft to see if it happens in all of them.
>>
>>
>> Dallas
>>
>>
>
> WHOA there big fella.......
>
> --
>
> boB
> Wing 70
>
> U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
> Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)
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"boB"
> WHOA there big fella.......

What in the hell is wrong with everybody!

He said, with his new yoke he banks the aircraft. He then centers (returns
to neutral) the yoke. The aircraft continues to bank until he applies
opposite bank to bring the wings back to level. If he leaves the yoke in
neutral the aircraft will continue to bank for infinity.

If this is what is happening, his yoke is somehow broken.

In a bank, returning the controls to neutral allows the aircraft's
aerodynamic lateral stability to correct itself back to horizontal. It
doesn't happen quickly, but in a normal GA aircraft (excluding aerobatic
aircraft), taking your hands off the controls allows the aircraft's wing
dihedral to return the wings to horizontal.

And that Andy, is the final answer.

Geez.

Dallas
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Dallas wrote:
> "boB"
>> WHOA there big fella.......
>
> It doesn't happen quickly,
= key words


My instructor used to scold me for not returning to neutral quickly enough
after reaching the desired bank angle (150's)....
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CRaSH wrote:
> Dallas wrote:
>> "boB"
>>> WHOA there big fella.......
>>
>> It doesn't happen quickly,
> = key words
>
>
> My instructor used to scold me for not returning to neutral quickly
> enough after reaching the desired bank angle (150's)....

Out of curiousity, I fired up the Centurion 210, took off, put it in a easy
bank of maybe 10º, neutralized the yoke, and after two complete 360's
finally tired of it and applied opposite ailerion to level out.... SOP

You are right about the joystick and yoke being identical on how it behaves
though - they're applying the same inputs on the same axes, just different
mechanics......
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Quilljar wrote:
> 'Real pilots don't use yokes'
>
> Ducks and runs for cover!
>

BOOM BOOM

BOOM

Geez, you're pretty fast for a old f...... ahh, fella!!

d:->))
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"Dallas" <Cybnorm.DeleteThis@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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>
> "boB"
> > WHOA there big fella.......
>
> What in the hell is wrong with everybody!
>
> He said, with his new yoke he banks the aircraft. He then centers
(returns
> to neutral) the yoke. The aircraft continues to bank until he applies
> opposite bank to bring the wings back to level. If he leaves the yoke in
> neutral the aircraft will continue to bank for infinity.
>
> If this is what is happening, his yoke is somehow broken.
>
> In a bank, returning the controls to neutral allows the aircraft's
> aerodynamic lateral stability to correct itself back to horizontal. It
> doesn't happen quickly, but in a normal GA aircraft (excluding aerobatic
> aircraft), taking your hands off the controls allows the aircraft's wing
> dihedral to return the wings to horizontal.
>
> And that Andy, is the final answer.
>
> Geez.
>
> Dallas
>


I cannot imagine that there is anything wrong with the yoke, in that.. I
cannot think of any sort of failure that would exhibt that behavoir
regarding the yoke, in particular if it behaved that way for both left and
right turns.., well that isn't completely true. i can think of one way, but
the yoke would have to be an expecptionaly bad design internally... it's
very easy to test if the yoke is functioning properly by testing the
calibration in windows.
also most of the aircraft I fly will stay banked for a very long time and i
use a joystick.. my guess is that he is simply not used to the difference
between joysticks and yokes, and wherin when using a joystick he would
subconsciencly apply opposite aileron when he felt it was actually neutral..
Joy sticks are more senstive to sublte movements then yokes.

*****
shu
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