YASD

On 30 Jan., 09:59, Ohle Claussen <ohle.claus... DeleteThis @ds.mpg.de> wrote:
> On 2008-01-30, sjdevn... DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Jan 29, 7:01 pm, purple arcanist <ejg_... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Another of my characters died.
>
> >> I had just gotten into sokoban with a pickaxe, because I misplaced a
> >> boulder.  I broke that boulder.  Being blind with telepathy, I killed
> >> an orc and ate its corpse.  Except I then got food poisoning.  Whoops,
> >> my prayer fails because I have lowered luck from breaking the
> >> boulder.  And I don't have a unicorn horn, unfortunately.
>
[...]
>
> > The second lesson is don't break boulders in sokoban (or otherwise
> > lower your luck) unless you have to, and if you do remember that your
> > luck is low and act accordingly.  Negative luck is bad and should
> > absolutely be kept in mind.
>
> Seems like he had to, and with food poisoning and without a unihorn, there
> might also not have been an alternative to prayer.

At that point maybe, but...

> This might well be YAAD (If
> the hypothesis about the corpse accumulation is true, that's an almost
> unforseeable coincidence)`

...given the OP's description, to me that sounds like the typical[*]
accumulation of bad moves/decisions. A stupid, avoidable death.

[*] Quite everyone, I suppose, (and me included) occasionally did
such things in Nethack. Learning from mistakes is the lesson.

Janis
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On 2008-01-30, sjdevnull DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jan 29, 7:01 pm, purple arcanist <ejg_... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Another of my characters died.
>>
>> I had just gotten into sokoban with a pickaxe, because I misplaced a
>> boulder. I broke that boulder. Being blind with telepathy, I killed
>> an orc and ate its corpse. Except I then got food poisoning. Whoops,
>> my prayer fails because I have lowered luck from breaking the
>> boulder. And I don't have a unicorn horn, unfortunately.
>
> Important learning lesson: don't eat corpses from things you killed
> when you were blind if they might be zombies.

It probably wasn't a zombie, since he had telepathy and a zombie wouldn't have
shown up. Possibly the corpse fell onto a square with another, older, orc
corpse.

> The second lesson is don't break boulders in sokoban (or otherwise
> lower your luck) unless you have to, and if you do remember that your
> luck is low and act accordingly. Negative luck is bad and should
> absolutely be kept in mind.

Seems like he had to, and with food poisoning and without a unihorn, there
might also not have been an alternative to prayer. This might well be YAAD (If
the hypothesis about the corpse accumulation is true, that's an almost
unforseeable coincidence)`

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:59:35 -0800, Janis wrote:

> On 30 Jan., 09:59, Ohle Claussen <ohle.claus... RemoveThis @ds.mpg.de> wrote:

>> This might well be YAAD (If
>> the hypothesis about the corpse accumulation is true, that's an almost
>> unforseeable coincidence)`
>
> ...given the OP's description, to me that sounds like the typical[*]
> accumulation of bad moves/decisions. A stupid, avoidable death.
>
> [*] Quite everyone, I suppose, (and me included) occasionally did such
> things in Nethack. Learning from mistakes is the lesson.
>

I agree. This is YASD, and it is also a lesson for the player. I can
remember quite a few stupid food deaths of my own; I learned most of the
food rules without spoilers. Intrinsics were the only bits I needed to
be spoiled on. (And even then, I think I knew most of them.)

For the OP: Fortunately, almost every YASD you'll make with food deaths
will occur before you get very far; losing a good character is bad, but
losing a good character who is ready to ascend is depressing.

The main lesson to be learned from this:

Don't ever eat a corpse you're not sure of, unless it's an emergency and
you have a unihorn or you're sure of your ability to pray.
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> It probably wasn't a zombie, since he had telepathy and a zombie wouldn't have
> shown up. Possibly the corpse fell onto a square with another, older, orc
> corpse.

> Seems like he had to, and with food poisoning and without a unihorn, there
> might also not have been an alternative to prayer. This might well be YAAD (If
> the hypothesis about the corpse accumulation is true, that's an almost
> unforseeable coincidence)`

No, I did not see the creature with my telepathy. This is YASD.
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On Jan 30, 4:58 pm, Adam Lawson <adam.law... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

[...]
> For the OP: Fortunately, almost every YASD you'll make with
> food deaths will occur before you get very far; losing a good
> character is bad, but losing a good character who is ready to
> ascend is depressing.

Don't believe it. I once "choked on my food" eating a Wraith,
with the amulet, and already out of Gehemmon. (I didn't really
need that extra level, but I figured it couldn't hurt.)

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On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:21:59 -0800, James wrote:

> On Jan 30, 4:58 pm, Adam Lawson <adam.law....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>> For the OP: Fortunately, almost every YASD you'll make with food deaths
>> will occur before you get very far; losing a good character is bad, but
>> losing a good character who is ready to ascend is depressing.
>
> Don't believe it. I once "choked on my food" eating a Wraith, with the
> amulet, and already out of Gehemmon. (I didn't really need that extra
> level, but I figured it couldn't hurt.)

*Almost* every.

I'd be surprised if post-quest food deaths were all that common sources
of character demise.
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On Feb 1, 8:19 pm, Adam Lawson <adam.law....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:21:59 -0800, James wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 4:58 pm, Adam Lawson <adam.law....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> > [...]
> >> For the OP: Fortunately, almost every YASD you'll make with food deaths
> >> will occur before you get very far; losing a good character is bad, but
> >> losing a good character who is ready to ascend is depressing.

> > Don't believe it. I once "choked on my food" eating a Wraith, with the
> > amulet, and already out of Gehemmon. (I didn't really need that extra
> > level, but I figured it couldn't hurt.)
>
> *Almost* every.

> I'd be surprised if post-quest food deaths were all that common sources
> of character demise.

Well, I only did it once:-). On the other hand, what else kills
you post-quest? (I've more ascentions than post-quest deaths.)

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On Feb 12, 8:02 pm, "Boudewijn Waijers" <kroi....DeleteThis@home.nl> wrote:
> Adam Lawson wrote:
> > I'd be surprised if post-quest food deaths were all that common
> > sources of character demise.

> Believe it. I don't think any of my post-quest characters ever
> died on another cause.

I wouldn't go that far. With a ring of combat, in a crowd,
missed a message about stiffening. With a ring of combat, in a
crowd, missed a message about becoming sick (on the astral
plane, in what should have been my first ascension). Bored,
somewhere around level 47, looking for the vibrating square,
switched to a cockatrice corpse to get a different message when
I killed something---forgot to switch back, and hit a mine.
Maybe one or two other deaths post-quest, but less than I have
ascensions (and I'm no serial ascender---far from it).

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On Feb 12, 3:02 pm, James <james.ka... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 8:19 pm, Adam Lawson <adam.law... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:21:59 -0800, James wrote:
> > > On Jan 30, 4:58 pm, Adam Lawson <adam.law... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> > > [...]
> > >> For the OP: Fortunately, almost every YASD you'll make with food deaths
> > >> will occur before you get very far; losing a good character is bad, but
> > >> losing a good character who is ready to ascend is depressing.
> > > Don't believe it. I once "choked on my food" eating a Wraith, with the
> > > amulet, and already out of Gehemmon. (I didn't really need that extra
> > > level, but I figured it couldn't hurt.)
>
> > *Almost* every.
> > I'd be surprised if post-quest food deaths were all that common sources
> > of character demise.
>
> Well, I only did it once:-). On the other hand, what else kills
> you post-quest? (I've more ascentions than post-quest deaths.)

Yeah, my post-quest deaths tend to be choking or things like:
115 229,952 sjdevnull 26/27 123/123 Val Dwa Fem Law killed by a scroll
of genocide 2007-06-05

Whoops. I don't play dwarves often enough to remember that, though I
doubt I'll forget it again...
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On Feb 1, 11:19 am, Adam Lawson <adam.law....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Almost* every.
>
> I'd be surprised if post-quest food deaths were all that common sources
> of character demise.

I choked on a frost giant corpse post-quest, just before Medusa, in an
otherwise really excellent Priest game, one of my first-ever games on
NAO. Hasn't happened since, as I now know to never, ever eat while
Satiated...

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Adam Lawson wrote:

> I'd be surprised if post-quest food deaths were all that common
> sources of character demise.

Believe it. I don't think any of my post-quest characters ever died on
another cause.

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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:02:58 +0100, Boudewijn Waijers wrote:

> Adam Lawson wrote:
>
>> I'd be surprised if post-quest food deaths were all that common sources
>> of character demise.
>
> Believe it. I don't think any of my post-quest characters ever died on
> another cause.

Really? I just thought maybe once you get that far, you're not going to
do too many dumb things with regards to food. I've never died from food
related deaths post-Sokoban.
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