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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:25 pm
Post subject: YANI: fix the bugle (could be a bug?)
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I think we should fix the bugle, as IRL it is not a full tonal
instrument. The most common bugle has a base note of C and can only
play harmonics of this note, which are C, G, E, and Bflat. Thus the
bugle should only be able to open the castle drawbridge if the
passtune only includes C, G, E, and perhaps B. If a full tonal bugle
like bugle-like instrument is desired it should be called a
"trumpet". Perhaps we should have both. Soldiers could have a small
chance of carrying a trumpet instead of a bugle.
Just a thought.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:23 am
Post subject: Re: YANI: fix the bugle (could be a bug?) [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Feb 4, 9:25 pm, Assended <blissb....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think we should fix the bugle, as IRL it is not a full tonal
> instrument. The most common bugle has a base note of C and can only
> play harmonics of this note, which are C, G, E, and Bflat. Thus the
> bugle should only be able to open the castle drawbridge if the
> passtune only includes C, G, E, and perhaps B. If a full tonal bugle
> like bugle-like instrument is desired it should be called a
> "trumpet". Perhaps we should have both. Soldiers could have a small
> chance of carrying a trumpet instead of a bugle.
hmm, interesting, I never knew that about bugles! I'm sure arguments
will come in concerning playability vs realism, but I second your
YANI. This is one case where realism adds interest and quirkiness to
the game, and there are plenty of other instruments available to those
players who don't just blast/knock the drawbridge. If people really
don't like the fact that this reduces the chances of getting a "real"
instrument, I'd suggest giving wood nymphs or maybe wood elves a small
chance of being generated with a harp or flute.
But why not give the soldiers a full marching band? It would be fun to
see them marching around and around Ludios in formation, playing
music. Trumpets are just the start. Trombones could be great fun, for
instance: When playing them they act as a melee weapon, bashing
monsters over the head with the slidey bit on every low note. Then
there's Tubas, in which small hiding monsters may be found from time
to time. Drums are already dealt with, but cymbals could be introduced
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:40 am
Post subject: Re: YANI: fix the bugle (could be a bug?) [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 5 Feb., 10:23, dogscoff <dogsc... RemoveThis @eudoramail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 9:25 pm, Assended <blissb... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I think we should fix the bugle, as IRL it is not a full tonal
> > instrument. The most common bugle has a base note of C and can only
> > play harmonics of this note, which are C, G, E, and Bflat. Thus the
> > bugle should only be able to open the castle drawbridge if the
> > passtune only includes C, G, E, and perhaps B. If a full tonal bugle
> > like bugle-like instrument is desired it should be called a
> > "trumpet". Perhaps we should have both. Soldiers could have a small
> > chance of carrying a trumpet instead of a bugle.
>
> hmm, interesting, I never knew that about bugles! I'm sure arguments
> will come in concerning playability vs realism, but I second your
> YANI. This is one case where realism adds interest and quirkiness to
> the game, and there are plenty of other instruments available to those
> players who don't just blast/knock the drawbridge. If people really
> don't like the fact that this reduces the chances of getting a "real"
> instrument, I'd suggest giving wood nymphs or maybe wood elves a small
> chance of being generated with a harp or flute.
To add another opinion; I wouldn't like that change. Music instruments
are rare and getting a bugle from barracks is often the most promising
way[*] to not get inhibited in progress at the castle. If my math is
correct you would reduce chances to be able to open the drawbridge to
only 6%, and you would only notice an inappropriate instrument/tune
configuration after a couple boring tries; before you have to go and
look for another instrument. A compensation by the "nymph with flute"
proposal would be interesting; at first glance. But as long as chances
are better getting an universal instrument from a nymph, why would one
bother getting bugles from soldiers in the first place, if that is
generally more risky and useful in just 6% of all games?
[*] Though risky because of the offensive wands that soldiers carry.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:59 am
Post subject: Re: YANI: fix the bugle (could be a bug?) [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2008-02-04, Assended <blissbear.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think we should fix the bugle, as IRL it is not a full tonal
> instrument. The most common bugle has a base note of C and can only
> play harmonics of this note, which are C, G, E, and Bflat. Thus the
> bugle should only be able to open the castle drawbridge if the
> passtune only includes C, G, E, and perhaps B. If a full tonal bugle
> like bugle-like instrument is desired it should be called a
> "trumpet". Perhaps we should have both. Soldiers could have a small
> chance of carrying a trumpet instead of a bugle.
a) a bit of research suggests that bugles are made with 0 to 4 valves,
allowing for a wider range of notes. Perhaps this is a valved bugle,
although I prefer the idea that it's not.
b) I've always felt that the bugle should be the standard instrument
for playing the passtune (just because it makes sense). Thus, I
consider the range A-G used in entering the tune not to refer to those
named notes, but rather to be mapped to something like: C, C1, G1,
C2, E2, G2, Bb2
(That is, we use the letters A-G for UI convenience, not accuracy. I
suggest that the passtune is still recognized if transposed (it's the
intervals which are recognized, which makes sense) I think all the
instruments available have sufficient range to play passtunes of this
form.) >> Stay informed about: YANI: fix the bugle (could be a bug?) |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:26 pm
Post subject: Re: YANI: fix the bugle (could be a bug?) [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Assended <blissbear.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in news:9a713cde-d48a-4ced-a6e1-
21939e9a43c8.TakeThisOut@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
> I think we should fix the bugle, as IRL it is not a full tonal
> instrument. The most common bugle has a base note of C and can only
> play harmonics of this note, which are C, G, E, and Bflat. Thus the
> bugle should only be able to open the castle drawbridge if the
> passtune only includes C, G, E, and perhaps B. If a full tonal bugle
> like bugle-like instrument is desired it should be called a
> "trumpet". Perhaps we should have both. Soldiers could have a small
> chance of carrying a trumpet instead of a bugle.
>
> Just a thought.
> Assended
>
Psht, that's just complicated.
Just rename the bugle to a trumpet and everyone's happy. >> Stay informed about: YANI: fix the bugle (could be a bug?) |
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