YANI: Leprosy

On 2008-02-01, Derek Ray <derek RemoveThis @moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org> wrote:
> On 2008-02-01, vintermann <vintermann RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 31, 3:43 pm, Derek Ray <de... RemoveThis @moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org>
>>> Yes, I can definitely see this going into Sporkhack in the near future; you've
>>> convinced me that it is, in fact, "fun", even by your own definition of fun.
>>
>> Take heed, rgrn: This is how you can manipulate Derek to put something
>> into Spork. Just get him into obnoxious mode and criticize an idea...
>
> As originally stated, "disease" has been under discussion for more than
> a couple months now. I've always intended to put it into Spork.
>
> Sour grapes?
>

Playful teasing of one who perhaps is taking life a bit seriously? See
'Sesame Street', 'Bert and Ernie' for examples.

--
Justin Hiltscher
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On 2008-02-01, Justin Hiltscher <justin.TakeThisOut@grover.goeshow.com> wrote:
> On 2008-02-01, Derek Ray <derek.TakeThisOut@moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org> wrote:
>> On 2008-02-01, vintermann <vintermann.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 31, 3:43 pm, Derek Ray <de....TakeThisOut@moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org>
>>>> Yes, I can definitely see this going into Sporkhack in the near future; you've
>>>> convinced me that it is, in fact, "fun", even by your own definition of fun.
>>>
>>> Take heed, rgrn: This is how you can manipulate Derek to put something
>>> into Spork. Just get him into obnoxious mode and criticize an idea...
>>
>> As originally stated, "disease" has been under discussion for more than
>> a couple months now. I've always intended to put it into Spork.
>>
>> Sour grapes?
>
> Playful teasing of one who perhaps is taking life a bit seriously? See
> 'Sesame Street', 'Bert and Ernie' for examples.

Oh, really? Where was the indicator, pray tell, that I _shouldn't_ have
taken him seriously given all his prior angry posts on the subject?

I see no ...
I see no <g>, <grin>, or anything like that...
....and he went out of his way to add the "obnoxious" remark. Classy.

Sorry, I don't buy it. That was sour grapes, pure and simple.

As far as taking "life" seriously... Please. If you really believe you
know ANYTHING about me personally or how I approach life based on what
I post to RGRN, you are overdue for a major assumption check.

Here's a hint: It's just USENET.

--
Derek

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On 2008-02-01, Justin Hiltscher <justin RemoveThis @grover.goeshow.com> wrote:
> Playful teasing of one who perhaps is taking life a bit seriously? See
> 'Sesame Street', 'Bert and Ernie' for examples.
>

Sometimes it's hard to tell who's joking and who's just an idiot.
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Derek Ray <de....TakeThisOut@moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org> wrote:
> vintermann <vinterm....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Derek Ray <de....TakeThisOut@moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org> wrote:

>>> As far as "fun" -- what exactly is your definition of "fun", and is it
>>> any resemblance to "lots of things that help the player, but nothing
>>> that hurts him"?

>> Instead of making such accusations,

> [tl;dr]

> Answer the question, please.

Grrr.

Mark this well.

This is Derek Ray once again in classic bully mode.

Derek's orders weren't obeyed?

He is intellectually INCAPABLE of understanding the
social implications of this.

Instead, he just emits the orders again, and will
continue to do so over and over and over until he
gets his way.

That is behavior entirely typical of autistic
children and born brats.

He is INCAPABLE of understanding that he doesn't run
this newsgroup or even any single discussion thread.

Being called constantly by me on this entirely
unacceptable rgrn bully behavior of his is why he
put me in his kill-file. This cowardly behavior, the
usual rarely well hidden other side of being a
bully, doesn't make him any better a human being.

It isn't that he hides from criticism because he
_knows_ that he is right, but because he can't take
being found wrong. This hiding from criticisim and
bullying through criticism just identifies him as a
person whose character flaws make him INACAPABLE of
learning from criticism.

Meanwhile, this whole "disease" mess is yet another
extremely unpleasant potential addition to
Sporkhack, on the order of the ones making
intrinsics no longer something one can gain and go
on, but only probabilistically effective.

Breaking existing features doesn't, to me,
constitute improving the game, though it certainly
does make it harder.

I don't play a game of NetHack, or any other D&D
derived game, with the happy expectation that my
character can spend most of the play period sick and
decaying. At my age that's the living reality I'm
trying to escape.

I play so that my character can grow, strengthen,
and thrive, all things Derek's weak pretense of
design skills are working so very hard to counter in
vanilla NetHack.

xanthian.

And don't bother asking "but have you _played_
Sporkhack?"

Catering to bullies isn't in my nature, nor do I
play on servers, nor, any more, do I play to compete
with others, but purely to wrestle with my own
playing flaws, I don't need or want Sporkhack, but I
reserve the right to poke it with a sharp stick to
watch it squirm away from the light.

Notice the continuing bully-Derek mode of "running
roughshod over any criticism" in the remainder of
this, as well. This is not the behavior of a well
human being.

> What exactly is your definition of "fun"?

> Is the below-quoted text meant to be it?

>> Nethack is fun because it's full of interesting
>> surprises and jokes,

> So you contend that disease from a rusty weapon or
> ghoul attack is neither interesting nor a
> surprise? That seems to be an unsupportable
> position; good luck with that.

> It's even somewhat of a traditional Nethack
> "inside joke", because "everyone knows" rusty
> things cause tetanus; though 'joke' here isn't
> quite the right word, since there's no funny-ha-ha
> about it, really.

>> it's challenging,

> a) Not once you learn where all the hidden levers
> are.
> b) You like challenge? Disease adds another
> challenge.

>> it has many problems and many ways to solve them.

> Disease adds another problem, and there would of
> course be ways to solve it.

>> There's always something clever you can do (or
>> more likely, could have done), which usually
>> makes sense in a nethackish sort of way.

> There would certainly be things you could do for
> disease, and indeed 'could have done' -- you can
> spot the "foo wields a rusty dagger!" message and
> switch to your ranged weapon.

> I think disease certainly adds an interesting
> aspect to the game; the implementation is the only
> tricky part due to the need to avoid impacting the
> early game too harshly.

> Yes, I can definitely see this going into
> Sporkhack in the near future; you've convinced me
> that it is, in fact, "fun", even by your own
> definition of fun.

> --
> Derek
>
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On Feb 1, 6:06 am, Derek Ray <de... DeleteThis @moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org>
wrote:
> On 2008-02-01, vintermann <vinterm... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 31, 3:43 pm, Derek Ray <de... DeleteThis @moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org>
> >> Yes, I can definitely see this going into Sporkhack in the near future; you've
> >> convinced me that it is, in fact, "fun", even by your own definition of fun.
>
> > Take heed, rgrn: This is how you can manipulate Derek to put something
> > into Spork. Just get him into obnoxious mode and criticize an idea...
>
> As originally stated, "disease" has been under discussion for more than
> a couple months now.  I've always intended to put it into Spork.
>
> Sour grapes?

No Derek, he's calling to others attention your irrational
and unacceptable behavior, as usual, as has been done by
many before and will be done by many since. Too bad your
broken personality leaves you incapable of getting the
message of how your behavior looks to the world.

xanthian.
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On 2008-02-02, Justin Hiltscher <justin.TakeThisOut@grover.goeshow.com> wrote:
> On 2008-02-01, Derek Ray <derek.TakeThisOut@moot.its.only.a.spamtrap.org> wrote:
>> As far as taking "life" seriously... Please. If you really believe you
>> know ANYTHING about me personally or how I approach life based on what
>> I post to RGRN, you are overdue for a major assumption check.
>>
>> Here's a hint: It's just USENET.
>
> Paging Captain Obvious. Captain Obvious to the white courtesy phone.
>
> Are you really going to try to convince me that you don't typically respond to
> things seriously in the same post that you respond to two lines (which, btw,
> were rather light hearted) with a mini thesis? I grant that your perception
> of the OP's post was probably accurate, but can you feel the irony dripping
> off your response to me?

I don't have to convince you; I only have to say it once. If you don't
believe me, well, that's no skin off my ass. You didn't really get the
hint, so let me try it a bit more bluntly:

I only read RGRN for two reasons, and neither of them is "make friends".

If you can't understand it from that, it isn't worth discussing; you
probably aren't the type of person who could ever understand it in the
first place. If you can understand that the previous sentence isn't an
insult, then you're starting to get the picture.

--
Derek

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Ohle Claussen wrote:
>
> [...]
> Also, rusting iron needs water contact,

Or exposure to acid.[*]

[*] Even if there's no direct contact with the acid but "only" an acidic
atmosphere - even a broken potion of acid may cause that given some time
to be effective, but damittedly that's more RL and not so much Nethack.

> and water in the dungon might often be contaminated

Hmm.. - I suppose it would be the orcs, dwarfs, and other inhabitants of
the dungeon that contribute to any contamination? Generally I'd rather
expect water drawn from a source within the earth to be more pure than
contaminated. Don't you think so?

Janis
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Ok, let's try again, then:

Take heed, rgrn: This is how you can manipulate Derek to put something
into Spork. Just get him into obnoxious mode and criticize an idea.
<rolls eyes>

I got annoyed when you went all schoolteacher on me, and that was the
extent of my "anger".

(and Janis, I just added some more incomprehensible letters to Derek's
snobbish [tl;dr] snip. Using consonants in brackets in what is
presumably some obscure usenetism is something else I <rolls eyes> at.)
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On 2008-02-04, vintermann <vintermann.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> I got annoyed when you went all schoolteacher on me, and that was the
> extent of my "anger".

Well, you needed to be schooled. Using arguments from ignorance ("I
don't see what fun this would be") that are based on a vague subjective
concept ("fun") to support your complaints certainly doesn't strike me
as productive, for sure.

If any worthwhile discussion was to be had, we were going to have to get
you to say something concrete. Which you did eventually, and then you
went on and got all sour-grapes about it when I pointed out that you
were actually supporting _my_ position with your statements.

> (and Janis, I just added some more incomprehensible letters to Derek's
> snobbish [tl;dr] snip. Using consonants in brackets in what is
> presumably some obscure usenetism is something else I <rolls eyes> at.)

JFGI?

--
Derek

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