YA Talent Thread. Warrior, this time.

Hmm i have a warrior im levelling up as well (got paladin to 45 got bored).

I plan Cruelty, mortal strike then its a toss up after that.
But i stupidly put 3 points into rend and 2 into heroic strike...if i
'unlearn talents' do i just have to redo talents
or re-pay for all skills ive payed for as well??.



"chocolatemalt" <chocolatemalt@dim=dot=com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <9qd33216r9cj50boh67ceopm58fj5uhbo9.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
> Brian <brianmcadam.TakeThisOut@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's the options I'm thinking about right now:
>>
>> Dump 5 into Fury for crits, then start building Arms to MS.
>>
>> Go straight into Arms and get MS right at 40.
>
> I was going to take option #2 with my latest warrior, but the 5 points
> in Cruelty are just too useful and nothing in the early Arms tree can
> compete. So I spent the 1g for a respec at 40 to get MS and promptly
> reacquired Cruelty over the next five levels.
>
>> No matter what, I'm probably looking at either 31/20 or 31/5/15 for level
>> 60. And then something like 11/5/35 when I finish all the outdoor quests
>> I
>> want to finish and start thinking seriously about instances. I'm just
>> stuck trying to decide how to get there.
>
> You didn't even mention my build, 38/5/8! It's the best! I'll probably
> have to readjust to the hybrid tank build when I hit 60, but for now
> (level 5 I'm just too attached to all the cool stuff in the Arms tree
> and nothing beyond a couple talents in Fury and Prot can demand my
> attention. Do I give up Improved Hamstring? Axe crits? 2H dmg?
> Gah... I just don't want to! One of the nice things about a heavy Arms
> build is that it gives ganking rogues a very hard time.
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In article <e0tv79$okb$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>,
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor.wilson RemoveThis @hobut.co.uk> wrote:

> Hmm i have a warrior im levelling up as well (got paladin to 45 got bored).
>
> I plan Cruelty, mortal strike then its a toss up after that.
> But i stupidly put 3 points into rend and 2 into heroic strike...if i
> 'unlearn talents' do i just have to redo talents
> or re-pay for all skills ive payed for as well??.

Rend is fine, you'll want the deep wounds and impale that come after
anyway... good talents for an Arms warrior. Heroic Strike is less
likely -- some endgame tanks like it for rage-dumping into dps and
threat generation, but otherwise it's a lame skill, especially for a
warrior swinging a big 2H for the big crits.

Unlearning talents will cost you just 1g the first time, and any
talent-specific skills will have to be bought again but I think a recent
patch made those re-buys much cheaper, not sure. It's a non-issue
though. If a few gold here or there are causing you grief, make sure
you have the Auctioneer add-on btw.
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"Brian" <brianmcadam.DeleteThis@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> So, I know that I want to be Arms spec eventually. Sweeping Strikes is
> just too much fun, even if they do keep nerfing it. But I keep hearing
> that Fury is all that and a bag of chips, for leveling. So I'm looking
> for
> some feedback.
>
> I'm not looking for full 51-point talent specs at this point. Those I can
> mostly figure out myself. I'm specifically asking about which tree is
> better for early investments.
>
> Here's the options I'm thinking about right now:
>
> Dump 5 into Fury for crits, then start building Arms to MS.
>
> Go straight into Arms and get MS right at 40.
>
> Go heavy into Fury, and count on respeccing into MS after 40.
>
> No matter what, I'm probably looking at either 31/20 or 31/5/15 for level
> 60. And then something like 11/5/35 when I finish all the outdoor quests
> I
> want to finish and start thinking seriously about instances. I'm just
> stuck trying to decide how to get there.

Here's how I went for levelling up. After that I went full-on Prot.

Arms 31

Deflection 5
Improved Rend 3
Tactical Mastery 5
Anger Management 1
Deep Wounds 3
2-Handed Weapon Spec 5
Impale 2
Sweeping Strikes 1
Polearm Specialization 5
Mortal Strike 1


Fury 15

Cruelty 5
Unbridled Wrath 5
Piercing Howl 1
Imp Battle Shout 5


Protection 5

Anticipation 5


I agonized a bit over the Fury talents, but in the end the job got done

IIRC, I went cruelty then deflection, imp rend (that was fairly useful early
on:), anticipation, unbridled wrath, tac mastery, umm.. forget:) then respec
at 40 for MS. I want tac mastery 'cause after doing the berserk stance quest
I wanted to mess around with stance-dancing. I grew out of that eventually


--
Doc
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Thanks, trouble is Heroic strike is nice for soloing early on, maybee ill
relearn a bit later on at 40.

As for gold, on a new server atm (staying away from pvp servers till i know
the game a bit better)
and its been a shock, cant sell light leather/medium leather at all (tried
going down to 12s but still undercut)
cant sell copper above 25s (loads offered cheaper), or bronze at all, and
level 15 nice kit is 10-15G!.

Anyway back ontopic, any warriors use polearms?. I noticed the
specialization on the tree



"chocolatemalt" <chocolatemalt@dim=dot=com.invalid> wrote in message
news:chocolatemalt-93F221.09005604042006@news.isp.giganews.com...
> In article <e0tv79$okb$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>,
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor.wilson.RemoveThis@hobut.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hmm i have a warrior im levelling up as well (got paladin to 45 got
>> bored).
>>
>> I plan Cruelty, mortal strike then its a toss up after that.
>> But i stupidly put 3 points into rend and 2 into heroic strike...if i
>> 'unlearn talents' do i just have to redo talents
>> or re-pay for all skills ive payed for as well??.
>
> Rend is fine, you'll want the deep wounds and impale that come after
> anyway... good talents for an Arms warrior. Heroic Strike is less
> likely -- some endgame tanks like it for rage-dumping into dps and
> threat generation, but otherwise it's a lame skill, especially for a
> warrior swinging a big 2H for the big crits.
>
> Unlearning talents will cost you just 1g the first time, and any
> talent-specific skills will have to be bought again but I think a recent
> patch made those re-buys much cheaper, not sure. It's a non-issue
> though. If a few gold here or there are causing you grief, make sure
> you have the Auctioneer add-on btw.
 >> Stay informed about: YA Talent Thread. Warrior, this time. 

In article <e0vq9c$jir$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>,
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor.wilson.RemoveThis@hobut.co.uk> wrote:

BTW, just fyi if you top-post in here you're going to get a small posse
on you in short order. Me, I don't care that much, just saying.

> Thanks, trouble is Heroic strike is nice for soloing early on, maybee ill
> relearn a bit later on at 40.

True, Heroic Strike is a useful dmg skill early on (< lvl 15) when you
don't have a lot of other options, but as you get more skills you will
want to spend your rage in other ways. The things about Heroic Strike
to remember are:

1) Replaces your next swing (spends rage instead of generating)
2) Non-instant, useless for burst damage

So I can see using it as a very low level warrior, or as a lvl 60 tank
who has infinite rage from the massive incoming damage and nowhere else
to dump that rage effectively, but otherwise it's pretty useless.
You'll want to spend the rage on shouts, rends, disarms, sunders,
thunderclaps, etc, and heroic strike is a double-whammy expense by not
only costing rage but also replacing a normal swing that gives you rage.
Think of it as double taxation.

With that in mind, it seems that improved heroic strike is a waste of
talents.

> As for gold, on a new server atm (staying away from pvp servers till i know
> the game a bit better)
> and its been a shock, cant sell light leather/medium leather at all (tried
> going down to 12s but still undercut)
> cant sell copper above 25s (loads offered cheaper), or bronze at all, and
> level 15 nice kit is 10-15G!.

With few exceptions those low level materials are a marginal money
maker, if at all. I usually consume them to level up the tradeskills or
just vendor em if the AH price doesn't give me a 50% improvement at the
very least. BTW, if you are a lvl 15-ish Alliance character, duck into
the western or northeastern portions of Duskwood and visit the goblin
vendors on a regular basis. Those recipes sell for absurd markups on my
server, perhaps on yours as well. I've gotten 18g profit on a single
sale of the Shadow Oil recipe, and 15g many times.

> Anyway back ontopic, any warriors use polearms?. I noticed the
> specialization on the tree

Yep, I think lvl 20 is the minimum for polearms -- check the weapons
trainer. Generally you'll use whatever weapon you manage to find that
is best for your level. You may dump a bunch of talents into 2H axes
for the big crits, but if you suddenly find a purple polearm that is
right for your level, believe me, you will be re-speccing.
 >> Stay informed about: YA Talent Thread. Warrior, this time. 

"chocolatemalt" <chocolatemalt@dim=dot=com.invalid> wrote in message
news:chocolatemalt-093569.10211805042006@news.isp.giganews.com...
> In article <e0vq9c$jir$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>,
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor.wilson.RemoveThis@hobut.co.uk> wrote:
>
> BTW, just fyi if you top-post in here you're going to get a small posse
> on you in short order. Me, I don't care that much, just saying.
>
>> Thanks, trouble is Heroic strike is nice for soloing early on, maybee ill
>> relearn a bit later on at 40.
>
> True, Heroic Strike is a useful dmg skill early on (< lvl 15) when you
> don't have a lot of other options, but as you get more skills you will
> want to spend your rage in other ways. The things about Heroic Strike
> to remember are:
>
> 1) Replaces your next swing (spends rage instead of generating)
> 2) Non-instant, useless for burst damage
>
> So I can see using it as a very low level warrior, or as a lvl 60 tank
> who has infinite rage from the massive incoming damage and nowhere else
> to dump that rage effectively, but otherwise it's pretty useless.
> You'll want to spend the rage on shouts, rends, disarms, sunders,
> thunderclaps, etc, and heroic strike is a double-whammy expense by not
> only costing rage but also replacing a normal swing that gives you rage.
> Think of it as double taxation.
>
> With that in mind, it seems that improved heroic strike is a waste of
> talents.
>
>> As for gold, on a new server atm (staying away from pvp servers till i
>> know
>> the game a bit better)
>> and its been a shock, cant sell light leather/medium leather at all
>> (tried
>> going down to 12s but still undercut)
>> cant sell copper above 25s (loads offered cheaper), or bronze at all, and
>> level 15 nice kit is 10-15G!.
>
> With few exceptions those low level materials are a marginal money
> maker, if at all. I usually consume them to level up the tradeskills or
> just vendor em if the AH price doesn't give me a 50% improvement at the
> very least. BTW, if you are a lvl 15-ish Alliance character, duck into
> the western or northeastern portions of Duskwood and visit the goblin
> vendors on a regular basis. Those recipes sell for absurd markups on my
> server, perhaps on yours as well. I've gotten 18g profit on a single
> sale of the Shadow Oil recipe, and 15g many times.
>
>> Anyway back ontopic, any warriors use polearms?. I noticed the
>> specialization on the tree
>
> Yep, I think lvl 20 is the minimum for polearms -- check the weapons
> trainer. Generally you'll use whatever weapon you manage to find that
> is best for your level. You may dump a bunch of talents into 2H axes
> for the big crits, but if you suddenly find a purple polearm that is
> right for your level, believe me, you will be re-speccing.


Ahh sorry about the top-posting, until recently its been many years since i
used usenet.

Agree heroic strike isnt much use later on, perhaps people get it when they
arent going to Mortal strike?. I guess i just have to be patient and wait
for better abilities. Overall ive found levelling a warrior tougher than
levelling a paladin. WRT cash, well i guess its low level junk so i cant
expect much, for some reason my old server payed good cash for the
bars/skins though..wierd how the 2 economies are so different....if i can
remember where i found wetlands iron though cash wont be an issue. Finally
thanks for the tip on duskwood, ill check it out.
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