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Andre Matuch

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:48 pm
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http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=889

Americas Sales for the Week Ending March 1, 2008


3/5/08

Jacob Mazel


In preparation for Nintendo’s latest big offering, Super Smash Brothers
Brawl, Wiis were in abundant stock this week, leading Nintendo’s
platforms, DS and Wii, to outsell all other platforms combined (371k to
349k). Unlike previous weeks where Wii had been outsold by Xbox 360 and
PS3, Wii outsold both combined, suggesting demand is still there. After
a brief spurt ahead of Xbox 360, PS3 sales dipped below Xbox 360 sales
again, which had been the trend for months before a recent PS3 uptick,
though both platforms remain within 15% of each other this week. In
fact with three platforms over 100,000 units this week, this week has
almost an early November feel to it in terms of volume, especially when
considering that last week only one platform sold over 100,000 units.
PSP was the worst selling platform for this week, with PS2 just ahead.
Still, no platform sold fewer than 75,000 units this week, and that is a
sign of a very healthy market. Compared to last week, Wii sales were up
over 170%, while every other platform but PS3 saw increased sales by 10%
to 40%. PS3 sales declined 5% from last week. The full breakdown of
hardware sales from last week to this week can be seen below:

1-Mar 23-Feb
Wii 218,189 78,975 +176%
DS 152,759 111,174 +37%
PS3 89,585 94,106 -5%
PSP 76,447 66,770 +14%
Xbox 360 102,622 87,569 +17%
PS2 80,039 64,932 +23%


Moving forward, it looks as though Wii sales in the Americas will help
Nintendo beat its forecast of 18.5 million shipped from April 1, 2007 to
March 31, 2008, as sales are very unlikely to decline after Smash
Brothers is released vs. before when it was released. Sony is going to
come very close to, or meet its shipment goal of 9.5 million from April
1, 2007 to March 31, 2008 if sales continue like this in the Americas.
Microsoft has not issued a public shipment goal, however, with rumors of
an Easter price cut for Europe, an Americas price cut will likely follow
soon, and that should push Xbox 360 weekly sales ahead of PS3 once
again. One other interesting thing to note is how high PS2 sales remain
despite the high adoption rate for the recently released machines.


There are some interesting trends developing year over year as well.
Take a look:

3/1/2008 3/3/2007 YoY Change
Wii 218,189 80,468 +171%
DS 152,759 151,537 +1%
PS3 89,585 32,064 +179%
PSP 76,447 44,890 +70%
Xbox 360 102,622 57,583 +78%
PS2 80,039 75,100 +7%


Believe it or not, every platform is actually selling better this year
than during the comparable week last year. While Wii and PS3 have seen
comparable percentage increases year over year, Wii sales are up nearly
140,000 units from last year, while PS3 sales are ‘only’ up about 60,000
units from last year. Wii sales increases year over year should grow as
Nintendo essentially ran out of product in late March of 2007, while
this year sales and supply should remain high after Smash’s debut. Xbox
360 sales, rather interestingly are up by 45,000 units from last year.
One way to look at this disparity is that PS3 is the newer machine;
another is to say Sony’s price drop last year has been 15,000 units more
effective than Microsoft’s price drop last year, at least this week, in
boosting sales over last year’s level. If Xbox 360 drops by another $50
in the coming weeks, it will be interesting to see next year whether it
is up by 45,000 units over this year’s level, or whether the flow of
console sales will result in a decline regardless of price cutting
measures. The large increase in PSP sales is worth noting as well.
Slow sales in March of 2007 are what triggered the first PSP price cut
in the Americas last April, so this current year over year boost should
decline fairly steadily in coming weeks as pricing comparisons become
tougher. DS and PS2 continue to remain very valuable devices given the
features and games offered, and have shown almost no change in sales
year over year.


Below you can see top software sales for the current consoles followed
by notes from the top 200 software chart.


Wii Xbox 360 PS3
1 Wii Play Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Devil May Cry 4
2 Super Mario Galaxy Frontlines: Fuel of War Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
3 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock Devil May Cry 4 Turning Point: Fall
of Liberty
4 Link's Crossbow Training Lost Odyssey Lost Planet: Extreme Condition
5 Mario & Sonc at the Olympic Games Rockband Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
6 Mario Party 8 Turning Point: Fall of Liberty Dynasty Warrior 6
7 Carnival Games Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock Guitar Hero III:
Legends of Rock
8 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Lost: The Videogame Rockband
9 Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga Halo 3 Burnout Paradise
10 Dragon Quest Swords Turok Lost: The Videogame


Notes:

- Wii Play hits 5.0 million in the Americas next week and it
continues to maintain close to a 50% attach ratio with Wii in the
Americas. There is really no reason Wii Play can’t 10 million in the
Americas…eventually.

- Solid debut (~50k) for Patapon. The game should eventually
pass 300,000 units in the Americas.

- Guitar Hero III sales now stand at 7.4+ million across PS2,
360, Wii and PS3.

- DS is still months away from selling more in the Americas than
in Japan.

- Lost Planet for PS3 bombed. The game is unlikely to top
100,000 units in the Americas.

- Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune passed 500,000 units this week.
The game will probably get to 650,000 to 750,000 units before dropping
off the top 200.

- Rockband passes 1 million units on Xbox 360 soon; it is over
1.3 million in the Americas including PS3 and PS2. The next battle
between Rock Band and Guitar Hero should be much closer.

- Nintendo and EA both sold over 500,000 units of software this
week.

- EA 500k Sellers: Two 500k sellers for Wii charted, three 500k
sellers for DS charted, 24 500k sellers for PS2 charted, four 500k
sellers for PSP charted, one 500k seller for PS3 charted, 11 500k
sellers for Xbox 360 charted. Next week: Activision breakdown.

- Charting games with 500k Lifetime Sales: Xbox 360 – 24, Wii –
19, PS3 – 7. In future weeks, million sellers will be chronicled.

- To date, 24,947,032 Xbox 360s, Wiis, and PS3s have been sold
in the Americas since the systems launched. Of those consoles sold Xbox
360 accounts for 44.5% market share, Wii accounts for 38.7% market
share, while PS3 accounts for 16.8% market share.


As a side note, expect an article comparing the worldwide trends behind
the first 50 million consoles sold this generation (Wii, 360, PS3) vs.
the first 50 million consoles sold last generation (PS2, Xbox, GC) by
11:00 PM EST 3/6/2008.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:48 pm
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VGCharts... can't trust this site, however I suspect on the official
numbers (NPD data) we'll see a similar trend.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:48 pm
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Blash.. VGCharts numbers. They can't be trusted, however NPD data will
be available soon and it will likely mirror this report in ranking.
The reality is the XBox 360 was in short supply for half of January
which gave the PS3 it's first win in that month. Feburary will be
different and the 360 will continue to outsell PS3 into 2008, but the
numbers will be much closer this year. Sony has a few system seller
titles this year and it will likely win those months and now that Blu-
Ray has won the format war, this is going to also helping SONY.

Microsoft enjoyed the luxury of their years head start in 2007 with a
strong library of games. 2007 was also a year SONY made a series of
poor choices for PS3. Once Warner announced they were going Blu-Ray
exclusive the parachute opened for SONY's PS3 and their free fall was
broken. Microsoft had to face RRoD in 2007 so I'm not saying it was a
smooth ride for either of them, but it's obvious who had the better
year.

This year Microsoft needs to make the right choices quickly. The
problem Microsoft has is that they get confused quickly when it comes
to giving their customers what they want. Microsoft has a bad habit of
trying to fill every niche. It's all part of the domination strategy
which they have successfully applied in their software business for
years. But it won't work in video games and if they have people on
payroll telling them it will, they should FIRE those individuals
immediately , but they won't.

Sadly rumors are already surfacing that would indicate they are going
down the wrong path.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6187311.html

Microsoft could choose to put a Blu-Ray player in the 360 (to better
complete with the PS3) and at the same time try to bring out more
first party family oriented/casual games (to better compete with the
Wii). This would be the predictable Microsoft path. A path to try and
take on both competitors at once. It's a path that on paper and to
business annalyst outside the industry may make perfect sense, But
it's a shallow business strategy that shows complete lack of
understanding for why the Wii and by trying to win over all would-be
Blu-Ray PS3 buyers they will spread themselves too then and overprice
their game console.

What they need to do is keep the current XBox 360 configs and price
them better. A lot better! $250 is a magical price point, but $199 is
a much better price point. There is no good reason at this point that
we can't have a XBox 360 Arcade at $199 and a XBox 360 Premium at
$250. At those price points Microsoft would hold firm in the #2 spot
and may even overtake Wii come Christmas 08 (eventually one would
think the Wii's gimmick would will wear thin).

Save Blu-Ray for the next generation XBox.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:48 pm
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On Mar 6, 8:25 pm, RMZ <Jeremy.De....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> VGCharts... can't trust this site, however I suspect on the official
> numbers (NPD data) we'll see a similar trend.

Why do people only ever post North American sales rather than
worldwide?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:48 pm
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On Mar 6, 9:28 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 6, 8:25 pm, RMZ <Jeremy.De....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > VGCharts... can't trust this site, however I suspect on the official
> > numbers (NPD data) we'll see a similar trend.
>
> Why do people only ever post North American sales rather than
> worldwide?

Because this NG consist of mostly Americans and you know we are
superfical and really don't care about the rest of the world... Ok, so
on a serious note, the reason is simple, when it comes to video game
consoles no one looks at world wide sales, because historically it's a
very regionalized product. If the PS3 is #1 in Japan it has no bearing
on you as a UK or US citizen and it would be very, very poor decision
to buy a console based off it's units sold numbers in another region
of the world. Likewise with the 360, if it's #1 in the US and you live
in Japan you probably would do better to go with a product that's
selling better locally. It's really not all that hard to understand.

Really the only reason to bring the global sales numbers into focus at
all is to play fan boy and brag. If you want to play that game, oddly
enough it's Nintendo fans who have all the bragging rights in the
world and that crowd seems more concerned with enjoying their games
and talking about how well their brand is selling.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:48 pm
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On Mar 6, 7:28 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 6, 8:25 pm, RMZ <Jeremy.De....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > VGCharts... can't trust this site, however I suspect on the official
> > numbers (NPD data) we'll see a similar trend.
>
> Why do people only ever post North American sales rather than
> worldwide?

Because there are no reliable European numbers. There isn't an agency
tracking European sales the way North American and Japanese numbers
are.

- Jordan
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:13 am
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I expect a price drop for the 360 around the time of GTA's release.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:17 am
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On Mar 7, 12:13 am, KS... DeleteThis @webtv.net (Private Private) wrote:
> I expect a price drop for the 360 around the time of GTA's release.

How about same price, but a special GTA bundle pack released?

Then then these sell out and the price of the system drops.

- Rich
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:28 am
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On Mar 6, 8:53 pm, RMZ <Jeremy.De... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 6, 9:28 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 6, 8:25 pm, RMZ <Jeremy.De... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > VGCharts... can't trust this site, however I suspect on the official
> > > numbers (NPD data) we'll see a similar trend.
>
> > Why do people only ever post North American sales rather than
> > worldwide?
>
> Because this NG consist of mostly Americans and you know we are
> superfical and really don't care about the rest of the world... Ok, so
> on a serious note, the reason is simple, when it comes to video game
> consoles no one looks at world wide sales, because historically it's a
> very regionalized product. If the PS3 is #1 in Japan it has no bearing
> on you as a UK or US citizen and it would be very, very poor decision
> to buy a console based off it's units sold numbers in another region
> of the world. Likewise with the 360, if it's #1 in the US and you live
> in Japan you probably would do better to go with a product that's
> selling better locally. It's really not all that hard to understand.
>
> Really the only reason to bring the global sales numbers into focus at
> all is to play fan boy and brag. If you want to play that game, oddly
> enough it's Nintendo fans who have all the bragging rights in the
> world and that crowd seems more concerned with enjoying their games
> and talking about how well their brand is selling.

How does global sales not play a role in non-fanboy discussion? The
success of a console as a whole directly influences publisher support
and publisher support is all I care about. This group has quite a few
people from the U.K., so are you saying the fact that the PS3 has
tremendous momentum isn't important to them as well?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:50 am
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IMHO its pretty embarrasing that M$ can't keep 360 in stock when its
only one country where it is selling great. I find it hard to believe
they can't keep it in stock. Besides, its not like its selling Wii-
like numbers.

On Mar 7, 1:32 am, Smelly socks <swam_mol... DeleteThis @jubii.co.uk> wrote:
> Finally, M$ have already stated they wont have sufficient stock of
> 360s before June, and VGChart are showing a massive upswing in sales
> for it - despite this.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:43 pm
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On Mar 7, 12:28 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 6, 8:53 pm, RMZ <Jeremy.De....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 6, 9:28 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 6, 8:25 pm, RMZ <Jeremy.De....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > VGCharts... can't trust this site, however I suspect on the official
> > > > numbers (NPD data) we'll see a similar trend.
>
> > > Why do people only ever post North American sales rather than
> > > worldwide?
>
> > Because this NG consist of mostly Americans and you know we are
> > superfical and really don't care about the rest of the world... Ok, so
> > on a serious note, the reason is simple, when it comes to video game
> > consoles no one looks at world wide sales, because historically it's a
> > very regionalized product. If the PS3 is #1 in Japan it has no bearing
> > on you as a UK or US citizen and it would be very, very poor decision
> > to buy a console based off it's units sold numbers in another region
> > of the world. Likewise with the 360, if it's #1 in the US and you live
> > in Japan you probably would do better to go with a product that's
> > selling better locally. It's really not all that hard to understand.
>
> > Really the only reason to bring the global sales numbers into focus at
> > all is to play fan boy and brag. If you want to play that game, oddly
> > enough it's Nintendo fans who have all the bragging rights in the
> > world and that crowd seems more concerned with enjoying their games
> > and talking about how well their brand is selling.
>
> How does global sales not play a role in non-fanboy discussion? The
> success of a console as a whole directly influences publisher support
> and publisher support is all I care about. This group has quite a few
> people from the U.K., so are you saying the fact that the PS3 has
> tremendous momentum isn't important to them as well?

The success of a console in Europe and Japan isn't as significant as
the success of a console in North America because the bigger third-
party publishers, who really determine the quality and depth of a
console's software library, are based in the United States and care
much more about American game sales and the American market is *the*
bread and butter of all the top third-party publishers, American or
not.

Hypothetical situation: Every third-party publisher has to choose only
one region to support going forward. Which third-party publishers do
you think will choose Europe or Japan?
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:42 pm
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RMZ <Jeremy.Deats.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unless Microsoft lowers their price, 2008 will continue to be a year
> where who "wins" will be a month by month game depending on releases.
> How you decipher me claiming that as a "victory" for Microsoft is
> beyond me.

Well, Microsoft is still ahead in terms of total sales. Even if the PS3
manages to outsell on a month-to-month basis, they still have that initial
gap to over come as well.

As for price drops, you know both Sony and Microsoft will make
announcements eventually.

--
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:37 am
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"The alMIGHTY N" <natlee75 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 7, 12:28 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 6, 8:53 pm, RMZ <Jeremy.De... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 6, 9:28 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Mar 6, 8:25 pm, RMZ <Jeremy.De... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > VGCharts... can't trust this site, however I suspect on the
>> > > > official
>> > > > numbers (NPD data) we'll see a similar trend.
>>
>> > > Why do people only ever post North American sales rather than
>> > > worldwide?
>>
>> > Because this NG consist of mostly Americans and you know we are
>> > superfical and really don't care about the rest of the world... Ok, so
>> > on a serious note, the reason is simple, when it comes to video game
>> > consoles no one looks at world wide sales, because historically it's a
>> > very regionalized product. If the PS3 is #1 in Japan it has no bearing
>> > on you as a UK or US citizen and it would be very, very poor decision
>> > to buy a console based off it's units sold numbers in another region
>> > of the world. Likewise with the 360, if it's #1 in the US and you live
>> > in Japan you probably would do better to go with a product that's
>> > selling better locally. It's really not all that hard to understand.
>>
>> > Really the only reason to bring the global sales numbers into focus at
>> > all is to play fan boy and brag. If you want to play that game, oddly
>> > enough it's Nintendo fans who have all the bragging rights in the
>> > world and that crowd seems more concerned with enjoying their games
>> > and talking about how well their brand is selling.
>>
>> How does global sales not play a role in non-fanboy discussion? The
>> success of a console as a whole directly influences publisher support
>> and publisher support is all I care about. This group has quite a few
>> people from the U.K., so are you saying the fact that the PS3 has
>> tremendous momentum isn't important to them as well?
>
> The success of a console in Europe and Japan isn't as significant as
> the success of a console in North America because the bigger third-
> party publishers, who really determine the quality and depth of a
> console's software library, are based in the United States and care
> much more about American game sales and the American market is *the*
> bread and butter of all the top third-party publishers, American or
> not.
>
> Hypothetical situation: Every third-party publisher has to choose only
> one region to support going forward. Which third-party publishers do
> you think will choose Europe or Japan?

Europe has a handful of developers now and Japan is still considered as
having the best first and third-party developers... however, the question
is, who is CONSIDERING these supposed facts? When it comes to first-person
shooters, Japan is absolutely non-existent in the genre. When it comes to
sports, with the possible exception of the Winning Eleven series, Japan has
nothing in the form of simulation. That field is covered by Electronic Arts
and Take Two. When it comes to action games, Japan has its style and North
America has its own style as well. North America seems to develop games
similar to and including Grand Theft Auto with realistic plots. Japan
prefers to develop very stylish button-mashers with increasingly
non-sensical and fantasy storylines. For every Japanese game in which the
hero has funky hair of an unnatural color, there is an American game in
which the hairstyles and colors are common.

The question we all have to ask ourselves is whether we are more content in
playing FIFA 08, NBA Street Homecourt, Grand Theft Auto 4 and Call of Duty 4
or whether we prefer their Japanese counterparts... My opinion is that games
are increasingly being developed in the West and that the games westerners
play are also being developed here. As a result, you have a strong argument
in saying that western developers - who are gaining importance - will want
to develop for the audience that buys its content: the West.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:45 pm
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You really should wait for NPD numbers.
VGCharts was so off last month so what makes you think they don't have it
wrong again?
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> > On Mar 7, 12:28 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > On Mar 6, 9:28 pm, Mattinglyfan <kyler.jack... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > On Mar 6, 8:25 pm, RMZ <Jeremy.De... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > VGCharts... can't trust this site, however I suspect on the
> >> > > > official
> >> > > > numbers (NPD data) we'll see a similar trend.
>
> >> > > Why do people only ever post North American sales rather than
> >> > > worldwide?
>
> >> > Because this NG consist of mostly Americans and you know we are
> >> > superfical and really don't care about the rest of the world... Ok, so
> >> > on a serious note, the reason is simple, when it comes to video game
> >> > consoles no one looks at world wide sales, because historically it's a
> >> > very regionalized product. If the PS3 is #1 in Japan it has no bearing
> >> > on you as a UK or US citizen and it would be very, very poor decision
> >> > to buy a console based off it's units sold numbers in another region
> >> > of the world. Likewise with the 360, if it's #1 in the US and you live
> >> > in Japan you probably would do better to go with a product that's
> >> > selling better locally. It's really not all that hard to understand.
>
> >> > Really the only reason to bring the global sales numbers into focus at
> >> > all is to play fan boy and brag. If you want to play that game, oddly
> >> > enough it's Nintendo fans who have all the bragging rights in the
> >> > world and that crowd seems more concerned with enjoying their games
> >> > and talking about how well their brand is selling.
>
> >> How does global sales not play a role in non-fanboy discussion?  The
> >> success of a console as a whole directly influences publisher support
> >> and publisher support is all I care about.  This group has quite a few
> >> people from the U.K., so are you saying the fact that the PS3 has
> >> tremendous momentum isn't important to them as well?
>
> > The success of a console in Europe and Japan isn't as significant as
> > the success of a console in North America because the bigger third-
> > party publishers, who really determine the quality and depth of a
> > console's software library, are based in the United States and care
> > much more about American game sales and the American market is *the*
> > bread and butter of all the top third-party publishers, American or
> > not.
>
> > Hypothetical situation: Every third-party publisher has to choose only
> > one region to support going forward. Which third-party publishers do
> > you think will choose Europe or Japan?
>
> Europe has a handful of developers now and Japan is still considered as
> having the best first and third-party developers... however, the question
> is, who is CONSIDERING these supposed facts? When it comes to first-person
> shooters, Japan is absolutely non-existent in the genre. When it comes to
> sports, with the possible exception of the Winning Eleven series, Japan has
> nothing in the form of simulation. That field is covered by Electronic Arts
> and Take Two. When it comes to action games, Japan has its style and North
> America has its own style as well. North America seems to develop games
> similar to and including Grand Theft Auto with realistic plots. Japan
> prefers to develop very stylish button-mashers with increasingly
> non-sensical and fantasy storylines. For every Japanese game in which the
> hero has funky hair of an unnatural color, there is an American game in
> which the hairstyles and colors are common.
>
> The question we all have to ask ourselves is whether we are more content in
> playing FIFA 08, NBA Street Homecourt, Grand Theft Auto 4 and Call of Duty 4
> or whether we prefer their Japanese counterparts... My opinion is that games
> are increasingly being developed in the West and that the games westerners
> play are also being developed here. As a result, you have a strong argument
> in saying that western developers - who are gaining importance - will want
> to develop for the audience that buys its content: the West.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Frankly, I'm a little tired of "hyper-Westernized" games like
Conflict: Denied Ops, where everything is supposed to be uber-
realistic, generic and flavorless, and I'm also tired of "hyper-
Japanese" games, where there's far too much emphasis on emo-lite
angst, goofy hair, and anime conventions over gameplay. I want a
return to the philosophy of the 8-bit and 16-bit eras- mix the
conventions of Western action/drama and Japanese "whimsy" so that
games have a personality, but still get the job done gameplay-wise
without being overwhelmed with "too much story" (or underwhelmed with
no story at all).

I think Capcom did a good job making Devil May Cry 4 more westernized,
while keeping enough flavor to avoid it losing all personality. After
the mess of MGS2, Kojima figured out reintroducing the Rambo element
would help MGS3. Fable, Mass Effect, and other western adventure
games are moving away from the dry, D&D clone approach to something
more akin to what the Japanese have done to distinguish their games,
while Final Fantasy XII has shown the Japanese are trying to tone down
some of their excesses.

The future is not in emphasizing the divide, but rather bridging the
gap.
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