(D/P) Working on Particular Stats?

For some reason, Outlook isn't indenting quoted messages, so I'm
top-posting. I'm tired of indenting manually.

Anyway, I'm not sure what to tell you. As I understand it, it takes four
Effort Points to equal one stat point, but I could be wrong since your
Ponyta's Defense should've gone up by at least five. I would guess you only
got enough points for a one-stat boost to something that wouldn't have
otherwise have gone up. Also, I don't believe the Box Trick works anymore.

"Chad Rushing" <notus00 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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I am playing through Diamond for the first time, and I just captured a
wild Lvl-14 Ponyta which had good overall stats, but her Defense was
lousy. Rather than trying to catch another one with a better Defense
stat, I decided to work on that stat by just training her against
Pokémon that contributed to one's Defense stat.

So, I fought 20 to 30 Geodudes (+1 Effort Point to Defense according
to serebii.net) using a Pokémon with water and ground attacks while
having Ponyta hold the EXP Share which should also pass along Effort
Points according to what I have read on the subject. I was expecting
Ponyta's Defense stat to go up noticeably when she finally leveled up,
but Defense only went up 1 stat point while all of her other stats
went up by 2 stat points!

What's the deal? Am I totally misunderstanding how the EV point
system works? Was it somehow changed in D/P? Also, does boxing a
Pokémon no longer recalculate their stats to their current EV totals
rather than having to wait until they level up? I remember you could
do that in the old days.

- Chad
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"Chad Rushing" <notus00 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 24, 5:09 pm, "Chet Weaver - Now with Outlook Express!"
> <zeroo... RemoveThis @aim.com> wrote:
>>
>> Anyway, I'm not sure what to tell you. As I understand it, it takes four
>> Effort Points to equal one stat point, but I could be wrong since your
>> Ponyta's Defense should've gone up by at least five. I would guess you
>> only
>> got enough points for a one-stat boost to something that wouldn't have
>> otherwise have gone up.
>
> I have always understood four Effort Points to equal one gained Stat
> Point at leveling, too, so I have no idea why it did not work. I
> might try it again with Ponyta doing the fighting herself rather than
> her holding the EXP Share to see if it makes any difference. I was
> using the EXP Share because she did not have any good attacks against
> Geodudes yet and so that it would require many more battles before she
> leveled up.
>
You know, maybe the EXP Share splits the EVs, too. I know it can give EVs,
but I forget if it splits them.

> To be honest, I do not think I have ever seen the Effort Points rules
> work out quite the way they are supposed to in theory. It should be
> that defeating 20 Geodudes with a Pkmn you just caught should raise
> its Defense Stat by 5 Stat Points (20/4) when it levels up, but I
> never see that actually happen. Perhaps, the rules of changed, and I
> am just reading old guides online.
>
Maybe there's a cap per level? That doesn't actually sound right to me,
considering the EV cap is on total EVs rather than on individual stats.

>> Also, I don't believe the Box Trick works anymore.
>
> Yeah, I actually tried earlier boxing a Pkmn to recalculate its stats
> after several battles, but I did not see any differences. Maybe, it
> only really worked in the older games.
>
Yeah, I first heard about it in RBY. I imagine it still worked in GSC, but
was "fixed" by RuSaE, like the grass. Back in RBY (and probably in FireRed
and LeafGreen) you could use Cut outside of battle to get rid of grass, but
it doesn't work in Diamond or Pearl. I've actually tried it, so I know it
works.


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On Mar 25, 12:59 pm, "Chet Weaver - Now with Outlook Express!"
<zeroo....RemoveThis@aim.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe there's a cap per level? That doesn't actually sound right to me,
> considering the EV cap is on total EVs rather than on individual stats.

According to serebii.net, there is a cap on Effort Points per Stat
(255), but a new Pkmn would not be anywhere near that cap at the
start. In other words, you should have to battle 255 Geodudes (1
Effort Point each) before you max out your Defense Effort Value (255
Effort Points = 63 Stat Points added to Defense).

Regardless, I have gone back to just fighting whomever to level up my
Pkmn as it is too time consuming to try to train for stats while not
seeing any tangible results.

> Yeah, I first heard about it in RBY. I imagine it still worked in GSC, but
> was "fixed" by RuSaE, like the grass. Back in RBY (and probably in FireRed
> and LeafGreen) you could use Cut outside of battle to get rid of grass, but
> it doesn't work in Diamond or Pearl. I've actually tried it, so I know it
> works.

I noticed you could use Cut on the grass in the old games, too, but I
never tried to do it in Diamond or Pearl. I guess that was a way for
people to travel through routes without battling wild Pkmn at all
(without using Repel). You would still have to deal with the trainers
on the route, though.

- Chad
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"Chad Rushing" <notus00 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 25, 12:59 pm, "Chet Weaver - Now with Outlook Express!"
> <zeroo... RemoveThis @aim.com> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe there's a cap per level? That doesn't actually sound right to me,
>> considering the EV cap is on total EVs rather than on individual stats.
>
> According to serebii.net, there is a cap on Effort Points per Stat
> (255), but a new Pkmn would not be anywhere near that cap at the
> start. In other words, you should have to battle 255 Geodudes (1
> Effort Point each) before you max out your Defense Effort Value (255
> Effort Points = 63 Stat Points added to Defense).
>
Maxing, sure, but did it explain how much you got when you leveled?

> Regardless, I have gone back to just fighting whomever to level up my
> Pkmn as it is too time consuming to try to train for stats while not
> seeing any tangible results.
>
Yeah, that'd be my advice. Stat training is better once you've gotten all
the trainers out of the way. You don't want them challenging you and
messing up your EVs because you accidently caught their eye.

>> Yeah, I first heard about it in RBY. I imagine it still worked in GSC,
>> but
>> was "fixed" by RuSaE, like the grass. Back in RBY (and probably in
>> FireRed
>> and LeafGreen) you could use Cut outside of battle to get rid of grass,
>> but
>> it doesn't work in Diamond or Pearl. I've actually tried it, so I know
>> it
>> works.
>
> I noticed you could use Cut on the grass in the old games, too, but I
> never tried to do it in Diamond or Pearl. I guess that was a way for
> people to travel through routes without battling wild Pkmn at all
> (without using Repel). You would still have to deal with the trainers
> on the route, though.
>
Not to mention caves and other places were you can encounter Pokemon without
grass.

-- Chet Weaver

"What's the fun of being cool if you can't wear a sombrero?"
- Hobbes, Calvin & Hobbes

Diamond Trainer Name: Minnie
Friend Code: 0988 8637 4610
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Location: Pokemon League
Time: 252 Hours since April 22, 2007
PokeDex Completion: 143/109
Score: 15876
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