can Wii be stopped?

Yes. Pinch hard and wii will stop but you may get ill

Martin
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"RMZ" <Jeremy.Deats.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 24, 1:05 pm, AirRaid <airrai....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> not this year anyway. the death blow to PS3 (in Japan) will come
>> when Square-Enix announces Dragon Quest 10 for Wii. once that
>> happens, and it probably will since SE selects the console with the
>> higher userbase for its DQ games, it'll have worldwide repercussions.
>
> Probably not.
>
> As someone else posted, Gamestop's sells are up 7x what they were last
> year... The video game industry is so big now that we're seeing
> different classes of game console. For the traditional "hard core"
> crowd there is the 360 and PS3. For the casual gamer their is the Wii.
> A good number of hard core gamers will also own a Wii because of it's
> unique games. It exist in it's own domain. That does belittle the Wii,
> it's just the reality of where we are. It appeals to people who
> wouldn't normally buy a game console so I'm not sure how much its
> sells effect PS3 and 360 sells. It has some impact, but since sells
> are up so much compared to last generation it's transparent. The
> market is large enough for the Wii to coexist with the other two
> without direct competition.
>

I think you're right to a point, but it doesn't explain why 360 sales are
slowing up and the PS3 as been largely a failure, and I don't blame the
price alone for that, as the PS2 was expensive and had rubbish software at
launch too.

Kev
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"Kevin Rarity" <k.rarity.RemoveThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "RMZ" <Jeremy.Deats.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Aug 24, 1:05 pm, AirRaid <airrai....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> not this year anyway. the death blow to PS3 (in Japan) will come
>>> when Square-Enix announces Dragon Quest 10 for Wii. once that
>>> happens, and it probably will since SE selects the console with the
>>> higher userbase for its DQ games, it'll have worldwide repercussions.
>>
>> Probably not.
>>
>> As someone else posted, Gamestop's sells are up 7x what they were last
>> year... The video game industry is so big now that we're seeing
>> different classes of game console. For the traditional "hard core"
>> crowd there is the 360 and PS3. For the casual gamer their is the Wii.
>> A good number of hard core gamers will also own a Wii because of it's
>> unique games. It exist in it's own domain. That does belittle the Wii,
>> it's just the reality of where we are. It appeals to people who
>> wouldn't normally buy a game console so I'm not sure how much its
>> sells effect PS3 and 360 sells. It has some impact, but since sells
>> are up so much compared to last generation it's transparent. The
>> market is large enough for the Wii to coexist with the other two
>> without direct competition.
>>
>
> I think you're right to a point, but it doesn't explain why 360 sales are
> slowing up and the PS3 as been largely a failure, and I don't blame the
> price alone for that, as the PS2 was expensive and had rubbish software at
> launch too.

Price & hardware failures for the 360, VERY high price & lack of software
for the PS3 - that pretty much sums it up. I think the PS3 would have sold
extremely well with a launch price of $300, with or without a lot of games,
purely on faith generated by their last two consoles.

You know, it's really, really hard for the leader of the last generation of
consoles to lose their top position unless they screw up in a big way. I
never expected Sony to do that, but amazingly, they have.
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On Aug 24, 4:53 pm, "Kevin Rarity" <k.rar... DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> "RMZ" <Jeremy.De... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> > On Aug 24, 1:05 pm, AirRaid <airrai... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >> not this year anyway. the death blow to PS3 (in Japan) will come
> >> when Square-Enix announces Dragon Quest 10 for Wii. once that
> >> happens, and it probably will since SE selects the console with the
> >> higher userbase for its DQ games, it'll have worldwide repercussions.
>
> > Probably not.
>
> > As someone else posted, Gamestop's sells are up 7x what they were last
> > year... The video game industry is so big now that we're seeing
> > different classes of game console. For the traditional "hard core"
> > crowd there is the 360 and PS3. For the casual gamer their is the Wii.
> > A good number of hard core gamers will also own a Wii because of it's
> > unique games. It exist in it's own domain. That does belittle the Wii,
> > it's just the reality of where we are. It appeals to people who
> > wouldn't normally buy a game console so I'm not sure how much its
> > sells effect PS3 and 360 sells. It has some impact, but since sells
> > are up so much compared to last generation it's transparent. The
> > market is large enough for the Wii to coexist with the other two
> > without direct competition.
>
> I think you're right to a point, but it doesn't explain why 360 sales are
> slowing up and the PS3 as been largely a failure, and I don't blame the
> price alone for that, as the PS2 was expensive and had rubbish software at
> launch too.
>
> Kev

I think 360 sales slowed for two reason. 1. The RRoD issue has gotten
a lot of press over the past three months and 2. The "early adopter"
crowd already has their XBox 360, the masses typically wait for that
first price break. That price break occured early August and sales
data is not in yet to show how it is has effected 360 sales. The PS3
is still in the early adopter phase and will be until around this time
next year, it has struggled to gain early adopters (more so in the US
market than in Europe and Asia) and can criticized from many angles.
There two leading factors working against it are lack of really epic
games (in needs a few A++ title for this Holiday season... they need
a stable mega successful francise title like a God of War 3 or MGS 4
in time for Christmas and it just isn't happening, the release dates
are in. If Heavenly Sword turns out to be as good as they are hyping
it, it will help, but it's a new franchise it's a long shot. It would
be like Bioshock trying to carry the 360 into the holidays, which
since Bioshock is already out now, it has time to gain momentum and
likely will help sell 360's, but the only "system seller" title
between the 360 and PS3 from now until January 08 is Halo 3 and it's a
360 exclusive.

The other thing hurting the PS3 is of course the XBox 360. It's huge
list of games, large list of exclusives, it arguably has the best
titles offered on the PS3 available with a more enhanced gaming
experience. Elder Scrolls, Rainbow Six: Vegas, Fight Night Round 3.
all look and play better on the 360. PS3 has it's Resistance: Fall of
Man and Ninja Giaden, but they are lackluster hit titles, with average
critics scores in the upper 80's lower 90's. They are very good games,
but not good enough to compete with the standard.

SONY just hasn't been taking their competition seriously. They got fat
off of the PS2 and decided they kingdom was there's and there is no
way they could loose it. They became a bad industry leader, so they
have been dethroned. Yes PS2 is still king of it's generation and what
a good king it was, but it's successor has already failed. It's heir
is a bad prince unworthy of a crown and it will never see past third
place int he US market. I would wager on that now. I wouldn't have a
week ago, but now that NPD data has been published and even with a
"price cut" Sony could not outsell the 360, my ideas of their failure
have and the US reception to their garbage PS3 console have been
confirmed.
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On Aug 24, 2:05 pm, AirRaid <airrai....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> not this year anyway. the death blow to PS3 (in Japan) will come
> when Square-Enix announces Dragon Quest 10 for Wii. once that
> happens, and it probably will since SE selects the console with the
> higher userbase for its DQ games, it'll have worldwide repercussions.

The bigger question is: Why should the Wii be stopped?

I think that if you enjoy the PS3/360 systems and games, then you want
them to speed up / catch up to Wii, not have the Wii slow down.
Personally, I am quite happy with the Wii.

As others have said, the Wii appeals to a very different (but not
entirely disjoint) group. It can easily keep going strong without
severely impacting the other systems. It will impact them a little, as
developers will provide more time to the system with the greater
install base.

As for DQ, that will be very good for the Wii, if it indeed is
released for it (I'll buy it), but S-E is releasing other titles
(particularly FF13) for other systems. They do not tend to be
multiplatform with their titles, but Idon't think they will ignore
the other two. They released games for the Gamecube, even though it
was a distant 3rd in last-gen.

Now, let's say, for argument's sake, that the success of the Wii does
have a severe impact on the other systems. Nintendo will have to be
careful not to fall into the trap that they once hit in the SNES ->
N64 transition, and that Sony has apparantly hit with the PS2 -> PS3
transition. Meanwhile, Sony and microsoft can learn from the Wii's
success, and give a proper development cycle to their competition
there. Make a device similar to the Wii remote for their NEXT systems.
I can see a controller similar to the dualshock, but where the two
halves are detachable (from each-other) and thus able to work similar
to a remote-nunchuck pair. Of course, Nintendo in their Wii2 should
probably make the two controller parts dock with each-other for the
exact same reason. It will be easier for Nintendo than for the others,
since they already have the tech in production (note the problems with
the other's last-minute attempts to copy it), but again, with a full 5
year development time (well, probably 4 years for microsoft, if they
stay true to form), the others should have little difficulty adapting.
The next gen (starting sometime in 2010, I would guess) should show us
what lessons all three have learned.

The worst thing that could happen would be if the Wii, somehow, DOES
get "stopped" There is so much potential in the control mechanism that
it would be a huge setback for the whole industry (IMO, of course)
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RMZ <Jeremy.Deats RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in
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> SONY just hasn't been taking their competition seriously. They got fat
> off of the PS2 and decided they kingdom was there's and there is no
> way they could loose it. They became a bad industry leader, so they
> have been dethroned. Yes PS2 is still king of it's generation and what
> a good king it was, but it's successor has already failed. It's heir
> is a bad prince unworthy of a crown and it will never see past third
> place int he US market. I would wager on that now. I wouldn't have a
> week ago, but now that NPD data has been published and even with a
> "price cut" Sony could not outsell the 360, my ideas of their failure
> have and the US reception to their garbage PS3 console have been
> confirmed.


I don't think Sony failed, I think they took a dive. Sony was so
concerened with getting their Blu-Ray format off the ground that they
insisted on shoving it into the PS3 as a Trojan Horse. That almost
doubled
the launch price of the PS3. The PS3 did not need to have all that
hardware
in order to do what it needed to do, but Sony wanted BluRay players in
people's homes, and were willing to lose console sales in order to
accomplish it. Granted, I don't think they realized exactly how many
they'd ultimately lose.

I love games, and I love movies. As a movie fan, I'm thrilled at the
BluRay format. However, as a game fan, I'm very annoyed that Sony
considers my patronage expendible.





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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Kevin Rarity <k.rarity.TakeThisOut@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> I think you're right to a point, but it doesn't explain why 360 sales are
> slowing up and the PS3 as been largely a failure, and I don't blame the
> price alone for that, as the PS2 was expensive and had rubbish software at
> launch too.

It seems to me that summer is usually when video game sales slow down a
bit anyways. All the developers want to hit the holiday shopping season -
which is why you see tons of releases in the fall, but not during the
summer. No new releases also means slower console sales as well.

As for the PS2, it was US$300 - about what all new game consoles were
released at. As for the library, it had a few bright spots among SSX and
DOA2 Hardcore. At its launch, all of its titles were exclusives, and
there were more than 1 or 2 titles that scored into the upper 80s if not
higher. Yeah there were some bum titles too, but there was a little of
something for just about everyone. Compare that to the PS3's launch
library, and you'll see quite a difference...

The PS3's high price certainly isn't helping things any, but its library
more than anything, is its biggest problem. Most of its good titles are
also available on the 360 and with no real discernable difference in
graphics. At least the original Xbox had better graphics and better
online play than the PS2, which at least gave it a way to compete against
the PS2's domination in marketshare and sheer libray numbers.

The PS3 also lacks a real big system-seller. The 360 has Halo3, the Xbox
had Halo, the PS2 had MGS2. These titles created excitement and sales even
before the games themselves even hit the shelves. The PS3, meanwhile, has
yet to even produce the PROMISE of such a title. Game after game has
failed to live up to Sony's hype about how the PS3 was going to dominate
this generation. Many of the hyped exclusives for the PS3 have turned out
to be lukewarm or mediocre once released to reviewers. Meanwhile, barely
a day goes by without these same sites doing at least one article about
something new they've found in Halo3. Heck, there was one article that
was nothing but speculation based on a fuzzy *reflection* you can sort of
make out off the helmet of another player in a screenshot! Such hype
hasn't existed since the MGS2 trailer won "best game of show"...

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