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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:13 pm
Post subject: Wii review, some good to know info...
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MY EXPERIENCE
Console is super easy to use, just piug it in and follow the on-screen
instruction. You don't even have to read the manuals. Using the special
controller is natural and takes only a few minutes to figure out.
Here are some important tips:
* The Wii Sports pack in allows you to play multiple players off a
single remote on Golf and Bowling. For Tennis and Baseball you will
need at least two Wii remotes to play multiplayer. Boxing is the only
Wii Sports game that requires the add-on numchuck controller so if you
can't find an extra numchuck don't let it ruin your day.
* The Wii classic controller is a waste of money. The classic
controller seves only one purpose, to work with the virtual console.
The virtual console is part of the Wii on-line experiencing where you
can pay to purchase classic games like Mario 64, Donkey Kong, Sonic,
Bonk, etc... You can not use the classic controller with Gamecube
games, however you can use a Gamecube controller in place of the
classic controller, so instead of paying all that money for a classic
Wii controller, just buy a few Gamecube controllers!
* The Wii store is not very developed yet. The Opera web browser is not
available yet (it's early Dec) and there are only a couple dozen
classic gamnes to pick from at this point to use "Wii Points" to buy.
TIPS AND BUYING
TARGET, BEST BUY, TOYS R US and CIRCUIT CITY. These retailers accepted
Nintendo's charter and sticking to the plan, they are holding Wii
systems when they arrive and then making them available to customers at
an "available upon request" available date. Walmart has signs posted in
their bigger stores advertising an available date for their next
shipment.
All retailers are also helping out their staff, making units available
to employees. So if you want one, find out when new stock is arriving
and be willing to wait in line. If you can't use EBay and pay out a few
extra hundred for someone else's time waiting in line. If that's a
problem then accept that you won't get one. Retailers aren't putting
them out when stock arrives, so you can't just mozzy into a TARGET
after work and expect to maybe find one, by holding the stock back
retailers and preventing this from happening.
* The controllers are also hard to find, but retailers are putting them
out when they arrive. Often time systems arrive with the controllers,
I've noticed a trend, where there are controllers on the shelf often
there are Wiis in the back being held for a specific self date. Don't
try to haggle for one though, the best you can hope for is to get a
date they will make them available for sale.
WILL HISTORY REPEAT (PS3 to go the way of the 7800 and Neo Geo?)
When Nintendo introduced the NES back in 1985 the video game industry
was a bit like today. Atari was suffering because they had gotten into
a rut of producing the same type of games over and over again (sound
familiar Playstation fans?), in their quest to build a better game
console Atari engineered the 2600's replacement, the 7800. It would
have awesome graphics, it would target the high end of the market and
it would cost a lot. But the 7800 was almost dead on arrival, In the
early 80's game market gone stale, Nintendo released the NES, with it's
packed in laser light gun and optional robot bundle, it was part
gimmick, part innovation, but unquestionably it was 100% fun.
Fast forward twenty years later. Nintendo's lost their dominance, now
we have professional gamers and owning the latest console is like
having the latest designer sports shoes, it's a cultural thing.
But just like the 80's, gamers are starting to wonder what's next. 3D
graphics are now on their third (or fourth) generation, we're nearing
photo realistic real-time quality. Gamers want something more than a
high price tag and flashy graphics. If you would have pulled someone
aside in 1984 and told them Atari is going to get their but kicked and
their next system is going to flop you would be laughed at. Sony
Playstation fans may do the same thing now, but what Nintendo has done
with the Wii is amazing. They have turned the clock back and returned
the fun to gaming, they've given us something new yet retro enough to
be hip at the same time.
Forget the N64 and the Gamecube, let's move back to the dominate days
of the SNES, Wii isn't embarssing in the slightest, it remains Nintendo
cute, but is carefully designed to be modern. In an age when
professional gamers stick to suped up PCs and the consoles are getting
old, Nintendo has stepped and as made the console new again. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:19 am
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I was talking about the PS3 in comparison to the 7800..... To me the
XBox 360 represents the best of the high-end market. Especially with
Microsoft opening up the console for hobbist developers. I will
probably buy a 360 sometime in 2007.
JoJo#1MSFanboy wrote:
> In article <1165212783.911793.120170 DeleteThis @79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
> Jeremy.Deats DeleteThis @gmail.com says...
> >
> >
> >MY EXPERIENCE
> >
> >Console is super easy to use, just piug it in and follow the on-screen
> >instruction. You don't even have to read the manuals. Using the special
> >controller is natural and takes only a few minutes to figure out.
> >
> >Here are some important tips:
> >
> >* The Wii Sports pack in allows you to play multiple players off a
> >single remote on Golf and Bowling. For Tennis and Baseball you will
> >need at least two Wii remotes to play multiplayer. Boxing is the only
> >Wii Sports game that requires the add-on numchuck controller so if you
> >can't find an extra numchuck don't let it ruin your day.
> >
> >* The Wii classic controller is a waste of money. The classic
> >controller seves only one purpose, to work with the virtual console.
> >The virtual console is part of the Wii on-line experiencing where you
> >can pay to purchase classic games like Mario 64, Donkey Kong, Sonic,
> >Bonk, etc... You can not use the classic controller with Gamecube
> >games, however you can use a Gamecube controller in place of the
> >classic controller, so instead of paying all that money for a classic
> >Wii controller, just buy a few Gamecube controllers!
> >
> >* The Wii store is not very developed yet. The Opera web browser is not
> >available yet (it's early Dec) and there are only a couple dozen
> >classic gamnes to pick from at this point to use "Wii Points" to buy.
> >
> >TIPS AND BUYING
> >
> >TARGET, BEST BUY, TOYS R US and CIRCUIT CITY. These retailers accepted
> >Nintendo's charter and sticking to the plan, they are holding Wii
> >systems when they arrive and then making them available to customers at
> >an "available upon request" available date. Walmart has signs posted in
> >their bigger stores advertising an available date for their next
> >shipment.
> >
> >All retailers are also helping out their staff, making units available
> >to employees. So if you want one, find out when new stock is arriving
> >and be willing to wait in line. If you can't use EBay and pay out a few
> >extra hundred for someone else's time waiting in line. If that's a
> >problem then accept that you won't get one. Retailers aren't putting
> >them out when stock arrives, so you can't just mozzy into a TARGET
> >after work and expect to maybe find one, by holding the stock back
> >retailers and preventing this from happening.
> >
> >* The controllers are also hard to find, but retailers are putting them
> >out when they arrive. Often time systems arrive with the controllers,
> >I've noticed a trend, where there are controllers on the shelf often
> >there are Wiis in the back being held for a specific self date. Don't
> >try to haggle for one though, the best you can hope for is to get a
> >date they will make them available for sale.
> >
> >WILL HISTORY REPEAT (PS3 to go the way of the 7800 and Neo Geo?)
> >
> >When Nintendo introduced the NES back in 1985 the video game industry
> >was a bit like today. Atari was suffering because they had gotten into
> >a rut of producing the same type of games over and over again (sound
> >familiar Playstation fans?), in their quest to build a better game
> >console Atari engineered the 2600's replacement, the 7800. It would
> >have awesome graphics, it would target the high end of the market and
> >it would cost a lot. But the 7800 was almost dead on arrival, In the
> >early 80's game market gone stale, Nintendo released the NES, with it's
> >packed in laser light gun and optional robot bundle, it was part
> >gimmick, part innovation, but unquestionably it was 100% fun.
> >
> >Fast forward twenty years later. Nintendo's lost their dominance, now
> >we have professional gamers and owning the latest console is like
> >having the latest designer sports shoes, it's a cultural thing.
> >
> >But just like the 80's, gamers are starting to wonder what's next. 3D
> >graphics are now on their third (or fourth) generation, we're nearing
> >photo realistic real-time quality. Gamers want something more than a
> >high price tag and flashy graphics. If you would have pulled someone
> >aside in 1984 and told them Atari is going to get their but kicked and
> >their next system is going to flop you would be laughed at. Sony
> >Playstation fans may do the same thing now, but what Nintendo has done
> >with the Wii is amazing. They have turned the clock back and returned
> >the fun to gaming, they've given us something new yet retro enough to
> >be hip at the same time.
> >
> >Forget the N64 and the Gamecube, let's move back to the dominate days
> >of the SNES, Wii isn't embarssing in the slightest, it remains Nintendo
> >cute, but is carefully designed to be modern. In an age when
> >professional gamers stick to suped up PCs and the consoles are getting
> >old, Nintendo has stepped and as made the console new again.
> >
>
> Played Gears of War lately? I'm not going to bag on the Wii but the 360 ain't
> no 7800 my friend. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:47 am
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RMZ wrote:
> I was talking about the PS3 in comparison to the 7800..... To me the
> XBox 360 represents the best of the high-end market. Especially with
> Microsoft opening up the console for hobbist developers. I will
> probably buy a 360 sometime in 2007.
Same here,I'm waiting for the new chips that will be put in so the 360
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:57 am
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In article <1165212783.911793.120170.RemoveThis@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
Jeremy.Deats.RemoveThis@gmail.com says...
>
>
>MY EXPERIENCE
>
>Console is super easy to use, just piug it in and follow the on-screen
>instruction. You don't even have to read the manuals. Using the special
>controller is natural and takes only a few minutes to figure out.
>
>Here are some important tips:
>
>* The Wii Sports pack in allows you to play multiple players off a
>single remote on Golf and Bowling. For Tennis and Baseball you will
>need at least two Wii remotes to play multiplayer. Boxing is the only
>Wii Sports game that requires the add-on numchuck controller so if you
>can't find an extra numchuck don't let it ruin your day.
>
>* The Wii classic controller is a waste of money. The classic
>controller seves only one purpose, to work with the virtual console.
>The virtual console is part of the Wii on-line experiencing where you
>can pay to purchase classic games like Mario 64, Donkey Kong, Sonic,
>Bonk, etc... You can not use the classic controller with Gamecube
>games, however you can use a Gamecube controller in place of the
>classic controller, so instead of paying all that money for a classic
>Wii controller, just buy a few Gamecube controllers!
>
>* The Wii store is not very developed yet. The Opera web browser is not
>available yet (it's early Dec) and there are only a couple dozen
>classic gamnes to pick from at this point to use "Wii Points" to buy.
>
>TIPS AND BUYING
>
>TARGET, BEST BUY, TOYS R US and CIRCUIT CITY. These retailers accepted
>Nintendo's charter and sticking to the plan, they are holding Wii
>systems when they arrive and then making them available to customers at
>an "available upon request" available date. Walmart has signs posted in
>their bigger stores advertising an available date for their next
>shipment.
>
>All retailers are also helping out their staff, making units available
>to employees. So if you want one, find out when new stock is arriving
>and be willing to wait in line. If you can't use EBay and pay out a few
>extra hundred for someone else's time waiting in line. If that's a
>problem then accept that you won't get one. Retailers aren't putting
>them out when stock arrives, so you can't just mozzy into a TARGET
>after work and expect to maybe find one, by holding the stock back
>retailers and preventing this from happening.
>
>* The controllers are also hard to find, but retailers are putting them
>out when they arrive. Often time systems arrive with the controllers,
>I've noticed a trend, where there are controllers on the shelf often
>there are Wiis in the back being held for a specific self date. Don't
>try to haggle for one though, the best you can hope for is to get a
>date they will make them available for sale.
>
>WILL HISTORY REPEAT (PS3 to go the way of the 7800 and Neo Geo?)
>
>When Nintendo introduced the NES back in 1985 the video game industry
>was a bit like today. Atari was suffering because they had gotten into
>a rut of producing the same type of games over and over again (sound
>familiar Playstation fans?), in their quest to build a better game
>console Atari engineered the 2600's replacement, the 7800. It would
>have awesome graphics, it would target the high end of the market and
>it would cost a lot. But the 7800 was almost dead on arrival, In the
>early 80's game market gone stale, Nintendo released the NES, with it's
>packed in laser light gun and optional robot bundle, it was part
>gimmick, part innovation, but unquestionably it was 100% fun.
>
>Fast forward twenty years later. Nintendo's lost their dominance, now
>we have professional gamers and owning the latest console is like
>having the latest designer sports shoes, it's a cultural thing.
>
>But just like the 80's, gamers are starting to wonder what's next. 3D
>graphics are now on their third (or fourth) generation, we're nearing
>photo realistic real-time quality. Gamers want something more than a
>high price tag and flashy graphics. If you would have pulled someone
>aside in 1984 and told them Atari is going to get their but kicked and
>their next system is going to flop you would be laughed at. Sony
>Playstation fans may do the same thing now, but what Nintendo has done
>with the Wii is amazing. They have turned the clock back and returned
>the fun to gaming, they've given us something new yet retro enough to
>be hip at the same time.
>
>Forget the N64 and the Gamecube, let's move back to the dominate days
>of the SNES, Wii isn't embarssing in the slightest, it remains Nintendo
>cute, but is carefully designed to be modern. In an age when
>professional gamers stick to suped up PCs and the consoles are getting
>old, Nintendo has stepped and as made the console new again.
>
Played Gears of War lately? I'm not going to bag on the Wii but the 360 ain't
no 7800 my friend. >> Stay informed about: Wii review, some good to know info... |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:01 am
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| JoJo#1MSFanboy wrote: |
In article <1165212783.911793.120170.RemoveThis@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
Jeremy.Deats.RemoveThis@gmail.com says...
>
>
>MY EXPERIENCE
>
>Console is super easy to use, just piug it in and follow the on-screen
>instruction. You don't even have to read the manuals. Using the special
>controller is natural and takes only a few minutes to figure out.
>
>Here are some important tips:
>
>* The Wii Sports pack in allows you to play multiple players off a
>single remote on Golf and Bowling. For Tennis and Baseball you will
>need at least two Wii remotes to play multiplayer. Boxing is the only
>Wii Sports game that requires the add-on numchuck controller so if you
>can't find an extra numchuck don't let it ruin your day.
>
>* The Wii classic controller is a waste of money. The classic
>controller seves only one purpose, to work with the virtual console.
>The virtual console is part of the Wii on-line experiencing where you
>can pay to purchase classic games like Mario 64, Donkey Kong, Sonic,
>Bonk, etc... You can not use the classic controller with Gamecube
>games, however you can use a Gamecube controller in place of the
>classic controller, so instead of paying all that money for a classic
>Wii controller, just buy a few Gamecube controllers!
>
>* The Wii store is not very developed yet. The Opera web browser is not
>available yet (it's early Dec) and there are only a couple dozen
>classic gamnes to pick from at this point to use "Wii Points" to buy.
>
>TIPS AND BUYING
>
>TARGET, BEST BUY, TOYS R US and CIRCUIT CITY. These retailers accepted
>Nintendo's charter and sticking to the plan, they are holding Wii
>systems when they arrive and then making them available to customers at
>an "available upon request" available date. Walmart has signs posted in
>their bigger stores advertising an available date for their next
>shipment.
>
>All retailers are also helping out their staff, making units available
>to employees. So if you want one, find out when new stock is arriving
>and be willing to wait in line. If you can't use EBay and pay out a few
>extra hundred for someone else's time waiting in line. If that's a
>problem then accept that you won't get one. Retailers aren't putting
>them out when stock arrives, so you can't just mozzy into a TARGET
>after work and expect to maybe find one, by holding the stock back
>retailers and preventing this from happening.
>
>* The controllers are also hard to find, but retailers are putting them
>out when they arrive. Often time systems arrive with the controllers,
>I've noticed a trend, where there are controllers on the shelf often
>there are Wiis in the back being held for a specific self date. Don't
>try to haggle for one though, the best you can hope for is to get a
>date they will make them available for sale.
>
>WILL HISTORY REPEAT (PS3 to go the way of the 7800 and Neo Geo?)
>
>When Nintendo introduced the NES back in 1985 the video game industry
>was a bit like today. Atari was suffering because they had gotten into
>a rut of producing the same type of games over and over again (sound
>familiar Playstation fans?), in their quest to build a better game
>console Atari engineered the 2600's replacement, the 7800. It would
>have awesome graphics, it would target the high end of the market and
>it would cost a lot. But the 7800 was almost dead on arrival, In the
>early 80's game market gone stale, Nintendo released the NES, with it's
>packed in laser light gun and optional robot bundle, it was part
>gimmick, part innovation, but unquestionably it was 100% fun.
>
>Fast forward twenty years later. Nintendo's lost their dominance, now
>we have professional gamers and owning the latest console is like
>having the latest designer sports shoes, it's a cultural thing.
>
>But just like the 80's, gamers are starting to wonder what's next. 3D
>graphics are now on their third (or fourth) generation, we're nearing
>photo realistic real-time quality. Gamers want something more than a
>high price tag and flashy graphics. If you would have pulled someone
>aside in 1984 and told them Atari is going to get their but kicked and
>their next system is going to flop you would be laughed at. Sony
>Playstation fans may do the same thing now, but what Nintendo has done
>with the Wii is amazing. They have turned the clock back and returned
>the fun to gaming, they've given us something new yet retro enough to
>be hip at the same time.
>
>Forget the N64 and the Gamecube, let's move back to the dominate days
>of the SNES, Wii isn't embarssing in the slightest, it remains Nintendo
>cute, but is carefully designed to be modern. In an age when
>professional gamers stick to suped up PCs and the consoles are getting
>old, Nintendo has stepped and as made the console new again.
>
Played Gears of War lately? I'm not going to bag on the Wii but the 360 ain't
no 7800 my friend. |
VERY good game, but he didn't say anything bad about the 360, it was the PS3 that he was talking bad about.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:57 pm
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"purple_penguin" <purple_penguin RemoveThis @my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> RMZ wrote:
>> I was talking about the PS3 in comparison to the 7800..... To me the
>> XBox 360 represents the best of the high-end market. Especially with
>> Microsoft opening up the console for hobbist developers. I will
>> probably buy a 360 sometime in 2007.
> Same here,I'm waiting for the new chips that will be put in so the 360
> will stop over heating and freeze gameplay.
Agreed - I'm not going to buy one until they fix the hardware issue, but
once they do, it seems to be the much better bet on the high end than the
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:57 pm
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"RMZ" <Jeremy.Deats.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> But just like the 80's, gamers are starting to wonder what's next. 3D
> graphics are now on their third (or fourth) generation, we're nearing
> photo realistic real-time quality. Gamers want something more than a
> high price tag and flashy graphics. If you would have pulled someone
> aside in 1984 and told them Atari is going to get their but kicked and
> their next system is going to flop you would be laughed at. Sony
> Playstation fans may do the same thing now, but what Nintendo has done
> with the Wii is amazing. They have turned the clock back and returned
> the fun to gaming, they've given us something new yet retro enough to
> be hip at the same time.
I don't think all gamers fall into this category, a lot are going to want
their flashy graphics. The problem for Sony is that the 360 already
delivers on that, and it's hard to see what the PS3 is going to bring to the
table that the 360 won't already have. Built in high def DVD, sure, but is
that really a huge selling point? Most people are still satisfied with
regular DVD's and aren't looking to switch, unlike the situation when DVD
came out as a HUGE improvement over VHS. The graphics might end up being
marginally better, but I can't see that making much of a difference, either.
The PS2 was weaker graphically than the XBox or Gamecube, yet it easily
dominated the market because of the games it had. Which brings up the last
and most difficult problem for Sony - they are losing their sheen as the
undisputed market leader, and with it is going a lot of their system selling
exclusives. Considering how much money they are losing on each box to begin
with, Sony is not in a good position right now, especially outside of Japan.
In Japan they can still capture the high end, but it's also possible that
the Wii will become the true "must-own" console there, the same way the DS
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"JoJo#1MSFanboy" <JoJo DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1165212783.911793.120170 DeleteThis @79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
> Jeremy.Deats DeleteThis @gmail.com says...
>>
>>
>>MY EXPERIENCE
>>
>>Console is super easy to use, just piug it in and follow the on-screen
>>instruction. You don't even have to read the manuals. Using the special
>>controller is natural and takes only a few minutes to figure out.
>>
>>Here are some important tips:
>>
>>* The Wii Sports pack in allows you to play multiple players off a
>>single remote on Golf and Bowling. For Tennis and Baseball you will
>>need at least two Wii remotes to play multiplayer. Boxing is the only
>>Wii Sports game that requires the add-on numchuck controller so if you
>>can't find an extra numchuck don't let it ruin your day.
>>
>>* The Wii classic controller is a waste of money. The classic
>>controller seves only one purpose, to work with the virtual console.
>>The virtual console is part of the Wii on-line experiencing where you
>>can pay to purchase classic games like Mario 64, Donkey Kong, Sonic,
>>Bonk, etc... You can not use the classic controller with Gamecube
>>games, however you can use a Gamecube controller in place of the
>>classic controller, so instead of paying all that money for a classic
>>Wii controller, just buy a few Gamecube controllers!
>>
>>* The Wii store is not very developed yet. The Opera web browser is not
>>available yet (it's early Dec) and there are only a couple dozen
>>classic gamnes to pick from at this point to use "Wii Points" to buy.
>>
>>TIPS AND BUYING
>>
>>TARGET, BEST BUY, TOYS R US and CIRCUIT CITY. These retailers accepted
>>Nintendo's charter and sticking to the plan, they are holding Wii
>>systems when they arrive and then making them available to customers at
>>an "available upon request" available date. Walmart has signs posted in
>>their bigger stores advertising an available date for their next
>>shipment.
>>
>>All retailers are also helping out their staff, making units available
>>to employees. So if you want one, find out when new stock is arriving
>>and be willing to wait in line. If you can't use EBay and pay out a few
>>extra hundred for someone else's time waiting in line. If that's a
>>problem then accept that you won't get one. Retailers aren't putting
>>them out when stock arrives, so you can't just mozzy into a TARGET
>>after work and expect to maybe find one, by holding the stock back
>>retailers and preventing this from happening.
>>
>>* The controllers are also hard to find, but retailers are putting them
>>out when they arrive. Often time systems arrive with the controllers,
>>I've noticed a trend, where there are controllers on the shelf often
>>there are Wiis in the back being held for a specific self date. Don't
>>try to haggle for one though, the best you can hope for is to get a
>>date they will make them available for sale.
>>
>>WILL HISTORY REPEAT (PS3 to go the way of the 7800 and Neo Geo?)
>>
>>When Nintendo introduced the NES back in 1985 the video game industry
>>was a bit like today. Atari was suffering because they had gotten into
>>a rut of producing the same type of games over and over again (sound
>>familiar Playstation fans?), in their quest to build a better game
>>console Atari engineered the 2600's replacement, the 7800. It would
>>have awesome graphics, it would target the high end of the market and
>>it would cost a lot. But the 7800 was almost dead on arrival, In the
>>early 80's game market gone stale, Nintendo released the NES, with it's
>>packed in laser light gun and optional robot bundle, it was part
>>gimmick, part innovation, but unquestionably it was 100% fun.
>>
>>Fast forward twenty years later. Nintendo's lost their dominance, now
>>we have professional gamers and owning the latest console is like
>>having the latest designer sports shoes, it's a cultural thing.
>>
>>But just like the 80's, gamers are starting to wonder what's next. 3D
>>graphics are now on their third (or fourth) generation, we're nearing
>>photo realistic real-time quality. Gamers want something more than a
>>high price tag and flashy graphics. If you would have pulled someone
>>aside in 1984 and told them Atari is going to get their but kicked and
>>their next system is going to flop you would be laughed at. Sony
>>Playstation fans may do the same thing now, but what Nintendo has done
>>with the Wii is amazing. They have turned the clock back and returned
>>the fun to gaming, they've given us something new yet retro enough to
>>be hip at the same time.
>>
>>Forget the N64 and the Gamecube, let's move back to the dominate days
>>of the SNES, Wii isn't embarssing in the slightest, it remains Nintendo
>>cute, but is carefully designed to be modern. In an age when
>>professional gamers stick to suped up PCs and the consoles are getting
>>old, Nintendo has stepped and as made the console new again.
>>
>
> Played Gears of War lately? I'm not going to bag on the Wii but the 360
> ain't
> no 7800 my friend.
>
It is true that the xbox360 "ain't no 7800" but its all about game play. If
I wanted graphics I would just play games on my PC. And I have played gears
of war (on the xbox360) and call of duty (on the wii) and the controls and
gameplay are MUCH better on the wii. Actually having to fight off soldiers
that grab your gun using the remote and nun-chuck is sweet. I think xbox
and playstation are driving them selves to a point were people will stop
paying that much for the console(s). Also speaking of overly priced
consoles
didnt I see an article about sony moving out of the console market?
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21447
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> > But just like the 80's, gamers are starting to wonder what's next. 3D
> > graphics are now on their third (or fourth) generation, we're nearing
> > photo realistic real-time quality. Gamers want something more than a
> > high price tag and flashy graphics. If you would have pulled someone
> > aside in 1984 and told them Atari is going to get their but kicked and
> > their next system is going to flop you would be laughed at. Sony
> > Playstation fans may do the same thing now, but what Nintendo has done
> > with the Wii is amazing. They have turned the clock back and returned
> > the fun to gaming, they've given us something new yet retro enough to
> > be hip at the same time.
>
> I don't think all gamers fall into this category, a lot are going to want
> their flashy graphics. The problem for Sony is that the 360 already
> delivers on that, and it's hard to see what the PS3 is going to bring to the
> table that the 360 won't already have. Built in high def DVD, sure, but is
> that really a huge selling point? Most people are still satisfied with
> regular DVD's and aren't looking to switch, unlike the situation when DVD
> came out as a HUGE improvement over VHS. The graphics might end up being
> marginally better, but I can't see that making much of a difference.
I know a little something about this, I have a website on HD that I put
up a few years ago (hasn't been updated in a long time, but most
information is still valid)
http://hdtv.0catch.com
First, if you don't have an HDTV then for movies Blueray offers nothing
for you. Without an HD set you'll recieve 480i output from the PS3..I'm
not even sure what happens if you try to play a Blueray movie on the
PS3 on an non-HD set. The normal A/V (RCA) type cabels can't handle HD
video so I would imagine you'll get no picture at all -or- the PS3
downgrades the video to 480i so that a normal TV can display it. I
don't know which it does, I don't have a PS3.
Your are absolutely correct in your other comments about Blueray as
well. There is no signifigant advantage here. DVD movies displayed at
480p (the standard progress scan output from all DVD players) will look
fantastic on a HDTV set up to a 61". Comparing HD resolutions: 1080i
and 720p to 480p. The human eye will have a hard time detecting the
difference on anything less than a 65" screen Of course the PS3 and
Blueray can do 1080p output, which is the maximum quality under the
HDTV standard. The problem with 1080p is less than 5% of the sets sold
today support it natively. Most are incapable of doing true 1080p and
again, you need a very large screen to see the quality difference.
If you have a home theater room and a 1080p capable projector, showing
on a 80" screen or larger, you're going to love Blueray and HD-DVD,
you'll see a noticable difference, for the rest of us the High
Definition movie formats are all hype and no substance.
It's the same type of menu system, the same 5.1 theater quality
surround sound, the same compact size of DVDs. The DVD's replacement
isn't HD-DVD or Blueray IMO.
> either.
> The PS2 was weaker graphically than the XBox or Gamecube, yet it easily
> dominated the market because of the games it had. Which brings up the last
> and most difficult problem for Sony - they are losing their sheen as the
> undisputed market leader, and with it is going a lot of their system selling
> exclusives. Considering how much money they are losing on each box to begin
> with, Sony is not in a good position right now, especially outside of Japan.
> In Japan they can still capture the high end, but it's also possible that
> the Wii will become the true "must-own" console there, the same way the DS
> has in spite of inferior technology.
Sony is losing money on every PS3, and they are probably at their
weakest point in their histroy as a company. It's funny because their
Playstation division is really what the company is riding on (according
to some articles, I don't know if that is true). So what is the PS3
compared to the PS2? It's just the next system in a linear progression.
It has a better graphics, but like you said the XBox 360 beat it to the
punch with graphics quality and is less expensive. It playes Blueray
movies, but relaisticly very few consumers will get anything out of
this benefit, and gamers are having to pay a heavy premium for Blueray.
The launch titles for PS3 aren't good. The are all rehash games, that's
why I was comparing the PS3 to the Atari 7800.
The 7800 was posed to be this grand system, Atari, like Sony today was
a injured company trying to survive. 7800 had a sleek design, it had
the graphic capabilities promised, but it arrived a year late in 1986,
Nintendo had already stole their glory with the 8-bit NES in 1985. In
2005 Microsoft released the XBox 360 which matches the graphical
capabilities of the PS3 (or at least were in the ballpark pretty close)
a year before Sony was ready to do battle. Now a year later what does
the PS3 offer. Same boring controller (almost identical to the PS2 dual
shock controller), same games, just nicer graphics and a huge price
tag.
Of course right now, it's Christmas and it's launch time. People will
buy PS3s now, but over the course of 2007 as people start to experience
the Wii and as more serious Wii titles come available it will continue
to gain market share. Based on the way the systems are flying off
shelves now I think it's safe to say the Wii is not a repeat of the
Gamecube.
Microsoft is doing an excellent job with on-line play, they may need to
make their on-line service free at some point, but if they can charge a
fee for it and keep the base cost of the 360 $100 less than Sony's PS3
and make a profit, then Microsoft is doing well.
Here's my prediction. The air supply of the PS3 is going to run out
sometime near the end of 2007 or first quarter of 2008. At some point
around this time. Sony will be so far in the red they will be looking
for a buyout/merger option and from there on I'm not sure what will
come of the Playstation brand. It depends entirely on who they merge
with and what happens with the brand. I doubt Nintendo will be that
company, Microsoft is a good possibility because it would be a good
marriage I think.
Time will tell, but regardless of what happens with PS3, Nintendo is
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> El Guapo wrote:
>> "RMZ" <Jeremy.Deats.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Of course right now, it's Christmas and it's launch time. People will
> buy PS3s now, but over the course of 2007 as people start to experience
> the Wii and as more serious Wii titles come available it will continue
> to gain market share. Based on the way the systems are flying off
> shelves now I think it's safe to say the Wii is not a repeat of the
> Gamecube.
>
Far from it. Have you seen the space Wii is getting in retailer flyers
lately? Walmart gave it almost a full page in their last flyer, the same
amount as 360, Target featured it, and just about everybody was pushing it
heavily last weekend even though they had few units to actually sell. Not
only that, but big retailers like Walmart and Target not only have nicely
organized Wii spaces at least as big as the Gamecube ever had, but endcaps
and lots of peripheral space, too. It clearly has a favored status with
retailers right now. Compare that to the Gamecube release, when it was
mostly ignored by retailers, and in most stores was shoved into a corner of
one of the gaming cabinets. I can remember seeing a lot of huge PS2 and
XBox displays, then two shelves of spine-out Gamecube games on a bottom
shelf. The few retailers that did give Gamecube decent space (Kmart,
ToysRUs) ended up taking a lot of it away after just one year.
OTOH, if you go anywhere other than EB right now you might not see a single
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In article <YqVch.2847$Ye5.723@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>, wcollins8 RemoveThis @woh.rr.com
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>
>
>It is true that the xbox360 "ain't no 7800" but its all about game play. If
>I wanted graphics I would just play games on my PC. And I have played gears
>of war (on the xbox360) and call of duty (on the wii) and the controls and
>gameplay are MUCH better on the wii. Actually having to fight off soldiers
>that grab your gun using the remote and nun-chuck is sweet. I think xbox
>and playstation are driving them selves to a point were people will stop
>paying that much for the console(s). Also speaking of overly priced
>consoles
>didnt I see an article about sony moving out of the console market?
>
>http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21447
>
>Wooger
>
>
Now go out and rent or buy Call of Duty 3 on the Xbox 360 and see just how bad
the Wii got screwed. Its still a fun game but it falls short when compared to
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I agree with the success of the Wii, but regarding the in store display
space. I have seen all of this in Gamestop, Toys R Us and Target, but
this space is actually paid for by Nintendo in some cases and not
really an idication of how successful the system is doing.
What is idication is how well these things are selling and how hard the
accessories are to find. Wii controllers are going for up to twice
their retail value on EBay.
I went looking for a Wii numchuck this weekend, out of two Targets, one
Best Buy, four Game stops and two Walmarts, no one had any.... PS3
controllers were available at four of the stores I visited.
The PS3 systems are hard to find because Sony only shipped something
like 300,000 to the US. Nintendo has actually exceeded 1,000,000 units
to the US at this point and every one of them will sell. Nintendo has
rolled out their virtual console system and Wii points at lunch, PS3
has nothing like this right now. The Wii points model is a great idea
because it lets Nintendo profit off emulated games. Nintendo pays
nothing for most of these properties because they own them and they
already made their production cost back many times over, games like
Mario 64 and the original Legend of Zelda are popular downloads. For
each of these Nintendo makes $10 off the N64 games and $5 off the 8-bit
titles. This is free money for Nintendo, but it works out because the
gamers get a pretty good deal on playing these games without having to
hook the PC up to the TV and run illegal ROMS on an PC emulator.
Nintendo can also use their Wii internet service to sell Wii content,
games like Wii Sports and Wii Play are small enough they could be sold
through the Wii on-line store, this saves Nintendo all distribution and
packaging cost. In the long term this could be very profitable for
Nintendo.
Nintendo owns patent on the Wii remote technology, it's unlikely you'll
see third party remotes for the Wii anytime soon. if you do they will
be licensed by Nintendo and Nintendo will be getting profits.
I've had two Gamestop employees tell me "Everyone's interested in the
Wii, it's going to be the system to beat" When I was going to college I
worked as an EB sales clerk, some may disregard what they say as fan
boy talk, but I know that they, probably more than anyone know what's
hot. They know what people are asking for.
People play games to be entertained. Incredible photo-realistic
graphics can enhance a game, but they can't make a game a great game.
They can't make a game more fun. 100-Gig of storage space on a Blueray
disc may mean you don't have to swap out disc, but if a game is awesome
you won't mind swaping disc.
Nintendo needs kiosk to allow people to experience the Wii. I think
their video presentation that's running everywhere does a pretty good
job, but once you've tried it out you see that, while it's not
simulation perfect, it really does make game playing fun at a new
level.
I was lucky enough to get one this past Sunday and just a few days into
owning it, our kids are already hooked. My four year old daughter can
loves Wii Sports bowling. Of course it's not exactly like real bowling,
but when the family gathers around and plays, suddenly the fun of real
bowling is there, it's a family activity and we're all up moving
around.
I think a lot of gamers are so deep into the gaming culture that their
opinions are going to be biased. I think Nintendo's on to something
really big and I bet you before the smoke clears Sony will eventually
try to copy Nintendo with a motion sensitive controller. But they'll
have a hard time doing it, because the technology is more than just a
sensor, it's Bluetooth combined with RF, combined with who knows what
all Nintendo has done to make the controllers respond the way they do.
Rest assured, it's patented.
> Far from it. Have you seen the space Wii is getting in retailer flyers
> lately? Walmart gave it almost a full page in their last flyer, the same
> amount as 360, Target featured it, and just about everybody was pushing it
> heavily last weekend even though they had few units to actually sell. Not
> only that, but big retailers like Walmart and Target not only have nicely
> organized Wii spaces at least as big as the Gamecube ever had, but endcaps
> and lots of peripheral space, too. It clearly has a favored status with
> retailers right now. Compare that to the Gamecube release, when it was
> mostly ignored by retailers, and in most stores was shoved into a corner of
> one of the gaming cabinets. I can remember seeing a lot of huge PS2 and
> XBox displays, then two shelves of spine-out Gamecube games on a bottom
> shelf. The few retailers that did give Gamecube decent space (Kmart,
> ToysRUs) ended up taking a lot of it away after just one year.
>
> OTOH, if you go anywhere other than EB right now you might not see a single
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"RMZ" <Jeremy.Deats.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I agree with the success of the Wii, but regarding the in store display
> space. I have seen all of this in Gamestop, Toys R Us and Target, but
> this space is actually paid for by Nintendo in some cases and not
> really an idication of how successful the system is doing.
Some of it is paid for, but not all, and it's really the way the stores are
featuring the product and the care they are putting into the displays that
makes the difference. Nintendo paid for space with the Gamecube, too, but
for the most part it was still an afterthought on the part of the retailers.
> What is idication is how well these things are selling and how hard the
> accessories are to find. Wii controllers are going for up to twice
> their retail value on EBay.
>
> I went looking for a Wii numchuck this weekend, out of two Targets, one
> Best Buy, four Game stops and two Walmarts, no one had any.... PS3
> controllers were available at four of the stores I visited.
Yeah, they tend to disappear on the weekend as the new Wii shipments are
anticipated. Best time to look is during the week, they'll put them out
periodically (unlike the console itself).
> The PS3 systems are hard to find because Sony only shipped something
> like 300,000 to the US. Nintendo has actually exceeded 1,000,000 units
> to the US at this point and every one of them will sell. Nintendo has
> rolled out their virtual console system and Wii points at lunch, PS3
> has nothing like this right now. The Wii points model is a great idea
> because it lets Nintendo profit off emulated games. Nintendo pays
> nothing for most of these properties because they own them and they
> already made their production cost back many times over, games like
> Mario 64 and the original Legend of Zelda are popular downloads. For
> each of these Nintendo makes $10 off the N64 games and $5 off the 8-bit
> titles. This is free money for Nintendo, but it works out because the
> gamers get a pretty good deal on playing these games without having to
> hook the PC up to the TV and run illegal ROMS on an PC emulator.
Personally I think the retro games are overpriced if they want to grow the
business in the long term, but for now they have people willing to pay those
prices for the novelty and nostalgia factor, and they can always lower the
price later.
> Nintendo can also use their Wii internet service to sell Wii content,
> games like Wii Sports and Wii Play are small enough they could be sold
> through the Wii on-line store, this saves Nintendo all distribution and
> packaging cost. In the long term this could be very profitable for
> Nintendo.
Yes - but they need to fix this no playing off a SD card issue to make this
really work. Right now you can only play games off the built in 512K, which
pretty soon is not going to be enough space. You can copy the games between
them but that's a pain and takes too long.
Using a storage format that is improving in storage space and dropping in
price rapidly, with no moving parts involved, was a very smart thing to do
for Nintendo - but limiting the use of that format was not. Hopefully this
is something that can be fixed with a firmware update.
> Nintendo owns patent on the Wii remote technology, it's unlikely you'll
> see third party remotes for the Wii anytime soon. if you do they will
> be licensed by Nintendo and Nintendo will be getting profits.
As always. Besides, third parties don't really need to license the actual
remote in order to do peripherals. All they have to do is tie in to the
remote itself like the nunchuk does. That's awesome, IMO. It should mean
that there will be some really cool peripherals and they are only going to
cost around $20, which makes it a viable option for developers.
> I've had two Gamestop employees tell me "Everyone's interested in the
> Wii, it's going to be the system to beat" When I was going to college I
> worked as an EB sales clerk, some may disregard what they say as fan
> boy talk, but I know that they, probably more than anyone know what's
> hot. They know what people are asking for.
Yes, and it helps quite a bit when they are willing to evangelize for a
system. That was always part of the problem with the Gamecube, it was just
too much of a tweener for people to strongly recommend it. If you wanted
flashy graphics, sports & FPS, get an XBox. If you wanted lots and lots of
games, get a PS2. The only thing left for the Gamecube was if you mainly
wanted Nintendo games, and that just wasn't enough to carry it by itself.
> People play games to be entertained. Incredible photo-realistic
> graphics can enhance a game, but they can't make a game a great game.
> They can't make a game more fun. 100-Gig of storage space on a Blueray
> disc may mean you don't have to swap out disc, but if a game is awesome
> you won't mind swaping disc.
I totally agree. I think there is definitely a place for games with
immersive graphics, and that is still needed in the industry. On the other
hand, I still play Waverace for the N64 while the Gamecube version has been
gathering dust for years. Graphics aren't everything, obviously.
> Nintendo needs kiosk to allow people to experience the Wii. I think
> their video presentation that's running everywhere does a pretty good
> job, but once you've tried it out you see that, while it's not
> simulation perfect, it really does make game playing fun at a new
> level.
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> Played Gears of War lately? I'm not going to bag on the Wii but the 360 ain't
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The 360 wouldn't be, but the PS3 might.
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