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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:45 am
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Warriors
- Rage generation from dealing damage has been normalized.
- All Rage awards are averaged with our expected rage per swing
(adjusted for
weapon speed).
The above is a joke to us Fury specced warriors... Come on Blizzard
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:12 am
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Hunters have no problems at all as most ranged weapons and hunter sets
have had their stats revisted and with the new 41 point talent trees
hunters are very strong, either with pets or ranged damage. Warriors on
the other hand feel so gimped on PTR compared to live. My warrior is
AQ40 and Naxx geared and using Dark Ege of Insanity 2h Axe. Even with
the 41 point arms talent rage generation is very low now, no queing of
herioc strike and mortal strike now as there just isnt the rage for it.
Leveling to 70 is going to be quite a pain I think.
On the flip side I understand why they have done it. Rage generation
would have just got out of control by level 70 because the more damage
a warrior does the more rage he generates which means more damage. By
the time a warrior was level 70 with level 70 epics you would have a
full rage bar always. 2h fury is know in my opinion not viable at all
which is a shame as it was a nice pve spec. DW Fury is hit hard too and
will probably at least for now make DW fury and Arms spec a lot more
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:09 am
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Dave wrote:
> Urbin wrote:
> > If they do it with all +agi items,
> > won't other classes who still get the same +AP boost from agi be boosted out
> > of proportion because they would then get the original +AP bonus from agi
> > and then the added +AP bonus from AP....?
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> The only other Class that gets AP from Agi is Rogue, and i think they
> always only got 1 Ap from 1 Agi, so there wont be any impact.
There is a possible issue with items below level 40. If it's deemed a
hunter item it may have +AP to compensate for the hunter AGI change
which would also benefit the rogues. Above 40 it's no issue as they
wear different armour types.
Using Urbin's example because it's the only example I have (forgetting
for a moment that it's mail) -
Hunter AP before change - 46
Hunter AP after change - 46
Rogue AP before change - 23
Rogue AP after change - 46
If they have made similar changes to sub 40 items used by hunters then
the rogues will get more benefit.
steve.kaye
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:02 am
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:56 am
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Does it mean that you get same rage with epics and green armor/weapon ?
<wayne.yates DeleteThis @tradermedia.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Warriors
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> - Rage generation from dealing damage has been normalized.
> - All Rage awards are averaged with our expected rage per swing
> (adjusted for
> weapon speed).
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> The above is a joke to us Fury specced warriors... Come on Blizzard
> give us somthing play with!!!
> >> Stay informed about: Warriors nerfed again!"!!!!! |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:57 am
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<wayne.yates.RemoveThis@tradermedia.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Warriors
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> - Rage generation from dealing damage has been normalized.
> - All Rage awards are averaged with our expected rage per swing
> (adjusted for
> weapon speed).
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> The above is a joke to us Fury specced warriors... Come on Blizzard
> give us somthing play with!!!
>
You think you have problems? Hunters now only get 1 ranged ap per agility
point... at least warriors still get 2 melee ap per strength point.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:57 am
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Doc wrote:
> You think you have problems? Hunters now only get 1 ranged ap per agility
> point... at least warriors still get 2 melee ap per strength point.
Get your facts straight. Hunters receive an AP Nerf because they get a
huge Base DPS Buff due to changed Ranged-Mechanics.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:57 am
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"Dave" <dave.RemoveThis@news.tk> wrote:
> Doc wrote:
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>> You think you have problems? Hunters now only get 1 ranged ap per agility
>> point... at least warriors still get 2 melee ap per strength point.
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> Get your facts straight. Hunters receive an AP Nerf because they get a
> huge Base DPS Buff due to changed Ranged-Mechanics.
And
- weapons which formerly had only Agi may have AP now as well
- the ratio from Agi --> crit% has been lowered
Chris
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:58 am
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Urbin wrote:
> If they do it with all +agi items,
> won't other classes who still get the same +AP boost from agi be boosted out
> of proportion because they would then get the original +AP bonus from agi
> and then the added +AP bonus from AP....?
The only other Class that gets AP from Agi is Rogue, and i think they
always only got 1 Ap from 1 Agi, so there wont be any impact. >> Stay informed about: Warriors nerfed again!"!!!!! |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:58 am
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"Dave" <dave.DeleteThis@news.tk> wrote:
> Urbin wrote:
>> If they do it with all +agi items,
>> won't other classes who still get the same +AP boost from agi be boosted out
>> of proportion because they would then get the original +AP bonus from agi
>> and then the added +AP bonus from AP....?
>
> The only other Class that gets AP from Agi is Rogue, and i think they
> always only got 1 Ap from 1 Agi, so there wont be any impact.
Druids in cat form get one AP per Agi as well (and 2 AP per Str).
I think what Urbin wanted to say is that an item with stats like this:
Plate Helmet, 25 str, 10 agi, 10 sta
Would suddenly give AP to warriors and pallys which it didn't do before.
Or, when we assume that the change only a applies to mail gear, replace
the plate helmet by a mail helmet and warriors/pallies by shamans.
We'll see 
Chris
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:58 am
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Christian Stauffer wrote:
> I think what Urbin wanted to say is that an item with stats like this:
> Plate Helmet, 25 str, 10 agi, 10 sta
> Would suddenly give AP to warriors and pallys which it didn't do before.
Im not sure i can follow here. Wouldnt a Warrior have gotten 50 AP from
the 25 Str on that item anyway?
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:58 am
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"Dave" <dave RemoveThis @news.tk> wrote:
> Christian Stauffer wrote:
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>> I think what Urbin wanted to say is that an item with stats like this:
>> Plate Helmet, 25 str, 10 agi, 10 sta
>> Would suddenly give AP to warriors and pallys which it didn't do before.
>
> Im not sure i can follow here. Wouldnt a Warrior have gotten 50 AP from
> the 25 Str on that item anyway?
In Urbins example, some Agi on the item has been replaced by AP, to end
up with the exactly same amount of AP.
My example would probably look like this if it was affected by the
revamp:
Before the patch: 25 str, 10 agi, 10 sta
After the patch: 25 str, 6 agi, 10 sta, 14 AP
For a hunter, both versions offer the same amount of ranged AP: The old
one 2x10(agi) = 20 AP, the new one 1x6(agi) + 14 = 20 AP.
Any other class capable of wearing this item will win 14 AP (at the
expense of a bit of crit/dodge/etc). So the warrior would've had 50
AP from the old version of the item, and 64 AP from the new version
of the item.
Chris
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:58 am
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Christian Stauffer wrote:
> "Dave" <dave DeleteThis @news.tk> wrote:
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>> Christian Stauffer wrote:
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>>> I think what Urbin wanted to say is that an item with stats like this:
>>> Plate Helmet, 25 str, 10 agi, 10 sta
>>> Would suddenly give AP to warriors and pallys which it didn't do before.
>>
>> Im not sure i can follow here. Wouldnt a Warrior have gotten 50 AP
>> from the 25 Str on that item anyway?
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> In Urbins example, some Agi on the item has been replaced by AP, to end
> up with the exactly same amount of AP.
>
> My example would probably look like this if it was affected by the
> revamp:
> Before the patch: 25 str, 10 agi, 10 sta
> After the patch: 25 str, 6 agi, 10 sta, 14 AP
>
> For a hunter, both versions offer the same amount of ranged AP: The old
> one 2x10(agi) = 20 AP, the new one 1x6(agi) + 14 = 20 AP.
>
> Any other class capable of wearing this item will win 14 AP (at the
> expense of a bit of crit/dodge/etc). So the warrior would've had 50
> AP from the old version of the item, and 64 AP from the new version
> of the item.
Ah yes, im following now
Honestly i dont think they will change any items at all in this regard
except Items with "Class: Hunter" in it.
I looked up some popular Physical damage items on Thottbot and compared
the Live DB with the Beta DB, and i only see the Changes on Items with
"Class: Hunter" on it. >> Stay informed about: Warriors nerfed again!"!!!!! |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:58 am
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"Dave" <dave RemoveThis @news.tk> wrote:
> Honestly i dont think they will change any items at all in this regard
> except Items with "Class: Hunter" in it.
>
> I looked up some popular Physical damage items on Thottbot and compared
> the Live DB with the Beta DB, and i only see the Changes on Items with
> "Class: Hunter" on it.
Then we got another theoretical issue: Those in class loot (epix, that
is) won't suffer any AP decrease (while still profitting from the
increased bow DPS), while those in non class loot will.
But as I wrote, we'll see how it ends up, and looking at the upcoming
talents I'm pretty sure you won't hear me complain wednesday
(Well, except about the server status probably)
Chris
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:59 am
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Christian Stauffer wrote:
> "Dave" <dave.RemoveThis@news.tk> wrote:
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>> Honestly i dont think they will change any items at all in this regard
>> except Items with "Class: Hunter" in it.
>>
>> I looked up some popular Physical damage items on Thottbot and
>> compared the Live DB with the Beta DB, and i only see the Changes on
>> Items with "Class: Hunter" on it.
>
> Then we got another theoretical issue: Those in class loot (epix, that
> is) won't suffer any AP decrease (while still profitting from the
> increased bow DPS), while those in non class loot will.
That might very well be, but on the other hand, then they can look
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