Vendetta Typo?

Rob Grau kirjoitti:

> Vendetta
> Reaction
> Brujah antitribu
>
> Only usable when you are successfully bled for more than 2 pool
>
> Put this card on the acting minion. Brujah antitribu get +1 strength in
> combat with the minion with this card. Any ready Brujah antitribu may
> enter combat with this vampire as a (D) action. Burn this card if this
> minion goes to torpor.
>
> ***
>
> Is it supposed to say minion instead of vampire in the card text? It
> certainly makes the most sense if it is a simple typo.
>
> Rob Grau
> rfgrau.TakeThisOut@eos.ncsu.edu


Take a minion that bleeds 1, give it a laptop and do a computer hacking
bleed. Or, take a minion with bleed of 2, give it a laptop, do a
computer hacking bleed, and get archoned.
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Akantes kirjoitti:

> Rob Grau kirjoitti:
>
> > Vendetta
> > Reaction
> > Brujah antitribu
> >
> > Only usable when you are successfully bled for more than 2 pool
> >
> > Put this card on the acting minion. Brujah antitribu get +1 strength in
> > combat with the minion with this card. Any ready Brujah antitribu may
> > enter combat with this vampire as a (D) action. Burn this card if this
> > minion goes to torpor.
> >
> > ***
> >
> > Is it supposed to say minion instead of vampire in the card text? It
> > certainly makes the most sense if it is a simple typo.
> >
> > Rob Grau
> > rfgrau.DeleteThis@eos.ncsu.edu
>
>
> Take a minion that bleeds 1, give it a laptop and do a computer hacking
> bleed. Or, take a minion with bleed of 2, give it a laptop, do a
> computer hacking bleed, and get archoned.

I mean ally ><
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I think he means that the card isn't consistently worded:

Vendetta
Type: Reaction
Requires: Brujah antitribu
Only usable when you are successfully bled for more than 2 pool.
Put this card on the acting minion. Brujah antitribu get +1 strength in
combat with the minion with this card. Any ready Brujah antitribu may
enter combat with this vampire as a (D) action. Burn this card if this
minion goes to torpor.

First it mentions minion twice then only that second to last sentence
specifically mentions vampire.
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Rob Grau schreef:

> Vendetta
> Reaction
> Brujah antitribu
>
> Only usable when you are successfully bled for more than 2 pool
>
> Put this card on the acting minion. Brujah antitribu get +1 strength in
> combat with the minion with this card. Any ready Brujah antitribu may
> enter combat with this vampire as a (D) action. Burn this card if this
> minion goes to torpor.
>
> ***
>
> Is it supposed to say minion instead of vampire in the card text? It
> certainly makes the most sense if it is a simple typo.
>
> Rob Grau
> rfgrau.DeleteThis@eos.ncsu.edu

I'd assume the following: Intended was minion, and by oversight
cardtext became vampire. However the difference is so trivial, it will
not be changed, because changing card text will be less beneficial than
keeping it as is (confusion/annoyance/errata record vs. trival
difference).

B
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Rob Grau <rfgrau DeleteThis @eos.ncsu.edu> wrote:
> Vendetta
> Reaction
> Brujah antitribu

> Only usable when you are successfully bled for more than 2 pool

> Put this card on the acting minion. Brujah antitribu get +1 strength in
> combat with the minion with this card. Any ready Brujah antitribu may
> enter combat with this vampire as a (D) action. Burn this card if this
> minion goes to torpor.

> ***

> Is it supposed to say minion instead of vampire in the card text? It
> certainly makes the most sense if it is a simple typo.

Well, there are a bunch of cards that specifically use the word "vampire"
in some parts of the text, so only vampires are affected by that text.

With Vendetta, everything applies if an ally is the one who bled you,
except you can't rush him.

Whether it was "supposed to say" something different probably doesn't
matter, since Vendetta's MRP says this and there isn't really any good
reason to change it.
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Bram Vink wrote:
> Rob Grau schreef:
>
> > Vendetta
> > Reaction
> > Brujah antitribu
> >
> > Only usable when you are successfully bled for more than 2 pool
> >
> > Put this card on the acting minion. Brujah antitribu get +1 strength in
> > combat with the minion with this card. Any ready Brujah antitribu may
> > enter combat with this vampire as a (D) action. Burn this card if this
> > minion goes to torpor.
> >
> > ***
> >
> > Is it supposed to say minion instead of vampire in the card text? It
> > certainly makes the most sense if it is a simple typo.
> >
> > Rob Grau
> > rfgrau.TakeThisOut@eos.ncsu.edu
>
> I'd assume the following: Intended was minion, and by oversight
> cardtext became vampire. However the difference is so trivial, it will
> not be changed, because changing card text will be less beneficial than
> keeping it as is (confusion/annoyance/errata record vs. trival
> difference).
>


"Trivial"?

Haha, my imbued will bleed you like crazy, and you can't rush me back,
you weak Brujah Antitribu you! Further evidence that Imbued are
broken, broken, broken! It's a conspiracy, I tell you...

chris

insert obligatory smiley
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hugh.angseesing.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> I think he means that the card isn't consistently worded:

That's correct. Based on context, seems like it should say minion
everywhere. I'm assuming the fact that it says 'vampire' in the third
sentence was an oversight, but I'd like that confirmed.

Rob Grau
rfgrau.RemoveThis@eos.ncsu.edu
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Bram Vink wrote:
> Rob Grau schreef:
>
>
> I'd assume the following: Intended was minion, and by oversight
> cardtext became vampire. However the difference is so trivial, it will
> not be changed, because changing card text will be less beneficial than
> keeping it as is (confusion/annoyance/errata record vs. trival
> difference).

There is a difference between the terms 'vampire' and 'minion', which
is why I asked the question originally about whether the term 'vampire'
was a typo.

Even if there isn't any errata, I'm still curious about the card
designer's original intent.

Rob Grau
rfgrau.DeleteThis@eos.ncsu.edu
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Rob Grau wrote:
> Vendetta
> Reaction
> Brujah antitribu
>
> Only usable when you are successfully bled for more than 2 pool
>
> Put this card on the acting minion. Brujah antitribu get +1 strength in
> combat with the minion with this card. Any ready Brujah antitribu may
> enter combat with this vampire as a (D) action. Burn this card if this
> minion goes to torpor.
>
> ***
>
> Is it supposed to say minion instead of vampire in the card text? It
> certainly makes the most sense if it is a simple typo.

Looks like a typo, smells like a typo.
Could be intent however, as it stands now it means that athough you
can't rush the non-vampire minion with vendetta on it, that minion can
never get rid of the card as no one but vamps go to torpor. Marginally
useful for cheap beat up on imbued if you can catch/ rush them I
suppose.

Sutekh_23
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LSJ wrote:
> IIRC, it originally said "vampire" everywhere is says minion. That was expanded
> to minion. The expansion should have affected every instance of "vampire", but
> one was missed.
>
> It plays as printed, however

Huh. So you get +1 hand damage vs the minion with the Vendetta on them.
And the Vendetta burns if the minion goes to torpor. Yet you only can
enter combat with the minion via the Vendetta if the minion with the
Vendatta is a Vampire? That is strange and absurdly inconsistient. Any
chance it could just be deemed a misprint and make it work in all ways
vs a "minion"?

-Peter
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> >> It plays as printed, however
> >
> > Huh. So you get +1 hand damage vs the minion with the Vendetta on them.
> > And the Vendetta burns if the minion goes to torpor. Yet you only can
> > enter combat with the minion via the Vendetta if the minion with the
> > Vendatta is a Vampire? That is strange and absurdly inconsistient. Any
> > chance it could just be deemed a misprint and make it work in all ways
> > vs a "minion"?
>
> Strange, I'll grant.
> Inconsistent? With what? It is consistent with card text.
>
> Anyone else got an opinion one way or the other with regards to: issue a
> correction vs. leave it alone?

Issue a correction. It was a mistake. And one that weakens the card a
non-negligable amount

Brachah was corrected after a mistake... if not then since newest text
prevails she'd have POT even with an old PRE version

Rob
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LSJ wrote:
> Peter D Bakija wrote:
> > LSJ wrote:
> >> IIRC, it originally said "vampire" everywhere is says minion. That was expanded
> >> to minion. The expansion should have affected every instance of "vampire", but
> >> one was missed.
> >>
> >> It plays as printed, however
> >
> > Huh. So you get +1 hand damage vs the minion with the Vendetta on them.
> > And the Vendetta burns if the minion goes to torpor. Yet you only can
> > enter combat with the minion via the Vendetta if the minion with the
> > Vendatta is a Vampire? That is strange and absurdly inconsistient. Any
> > chance it could just be deemed a misprint and make it work in all ways
> > vs a "minion"?
>
> Strange, I'll grant.
> Inconsistent? With what? It is consistent with card text.
>
> Anyone else got an opinion one way or the other with regards to: issue a
> correction vs. leave it alone?

I say: Correct it.

a) This was what you intended in the first place, and
b) I see too many cards already that are not usable when Imbued are
concerned.

Regards,

Hardy Range
Prince of Bochum, Germany
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R0b1et wrote:
> LSJ wrote:
> > Anyone else got an opinion one way or the other with regards to: issue a
> > correction vs. leave it alone?
>
> Issue a correction. It was a mistake. And one that weakens the card a
> non-negligable amount

Actually, the typo doesn't really weakens the card (while it does make
it weirder). It gives !Brujah +1 strength against all kinds of minions
(and not only vampires), even if it does not grant you the enter combat
(D) action if the minion is not a vampire.

Just out of curiosity: why couldn't Vendetta be reworded to "minion"
everywhere, instead of "vampire" everywhere? (Other than sticking to
original intent, I mean).

It could make the card more usable. Of course, its burn clausule would
have to be reworded too, to something like "burn this card when this
minion goes to torpor or is burned".

Abraço,

Luiz Mello
Brazil VTES NC
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