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Since: Dec 11, 2006
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:57 pm
Post subject: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3
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@@@ P4 3.2 ghz, 1.5 Gig Dual chan ddr400 mem, Radeon 9800, VISTA on a
7200 rpm
120 gig Hard Drive .
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New toy here is a USB PenDrive 4 Gig mem...you stick it in the USB &
it shows up in Windows as a Drv letter. ..
Samsung spec. has 25 mbs read, 20 mbs write...some such things are half
that.
I copied a 3.5 Gig Folder to the Pendrive to test its speed ...
it took about the same as 4 speed DVD burner ..about 10 mins ..
MUCH faster to read it back ...
(tho my USB MAY only be Ver 1 rather than High speed Ver 2)
VISTA has a feature called 'SpeedBoost' which uses this type of USB pendrive
'Flash' mem. as a sort of note pad cache to speed things up. ('They' say).
I tried Gothic 3 which people will know is dreadfully 'jerky' on less than 2
Gig mem.
systems...certainly is on mine..
Speed Boost does actually seem to help the in-game performance removing most
of the jerks...but level & game save loading is only very slightly better
...despite the PenDrives little green 'active / working' light blinking away.
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KOTOR will not load a level...something to do with VISTA's mem or disc
handling.
NOT graphic issue. Same with BOILING POINT..starts but can't load a level.
Many games e.g.. GTA3 ...need to have the compatibility set to XP or '98..
Most games seem to run much the same as XP , tho I had to copy the 8 files
"d3dx9_**.dll " .numbers 24 to 31.. in XP's Windows\ System32 folder
into the Windows\System32 in Vista.
the problems with memory handling method in VISTA may be greater than
Graphic card issues ...if it won't run DON'T assume its always the graphics.
Mouse (Vista is Horrid)
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:57 pm
Post subject: Re: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I did that on a 2 gig thumb drive, and Vista
installed some kind of file security on the
drive, so that when I took it to an XP box,
I could not copy it off until I logged in as
administrator. I notice there is some kind
of option to run apps as administrator ..
not just installs. I wonder how this security
factor affects games ? Is there tweaking
that just applies to the admin ?
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:57 pm
Post subject: Re: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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With my Samsung PenDrive the password feature has to be enabled ..
which I don't do...I'm switching back n forth XP to VISTA to XP & the
PenDrive seems
OK...just like any drive ...the Vista SpeedBoost file disappears when
quitting Vista.
Mouse
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:07 pm
Post subject: Re: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I have a 2 GB Memorex drive using the Readyboost, the transfer
speed is about 14 megabytes per second.
I had no idea Readyboost did anything for in-game performance. I
thought it just allowed applications to load faster. Maybe I am
missing something here?
The flash memory will eventually kill itself with all those reads
and writes... but the cost is trivial now days. My flash drive only
cost 40 dollars. >> Stay informed about: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:57 pm
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"johns" <johns321.RemoveThis@moscow.com> writes:
> I did that on a 2 gig thumb drive, and Vista
> installed some kind of file security on the
> drive, so that when I took it to an XP box,
> I could not copy it off until I logged in as
> administrator. I notice there is some kind
> of option to run apps as administrator ..
> not just installs. I wonder how this security
> factor affects games ? Is there tweaking
> that just applies to the admin ?
>
> johns
>
What did you do Johns? You have cut all context again.... >> Stay informed about: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:45 am
Post subject: Re: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 15 Feb 2007 20:07:45 -0800, "Magnulus" <magnulus.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> I have a 2 GB Memorex drive using the Readyboost, the transfer
>speed is about 14 megabytes per second.
>
> I had no idea Readyboost did anything for in-game performance. I
>thought it just allowed applications to load faster. Maybe I am
>missing something here?
>
> The flash memory will eventually kill itself with all those reads
>and writes... but the cost is trivial now days. My flash drive only
>cost 40 dollars.
>
It would help in games where you are exceeding physical memory and
swapping to disk, as I suspect the OP is.
Also, all flash drives are not the same. The faster (and thus more
expensive) ones do more for your gaming experience. The discount ones
you see on online shops either don't help much or impede your
performance depending on what you're doing and how much RAM you have.
Personally I don't have any games that exceed 1.5GB when I'm playing
so I wouldn't expect a gaming boost. >> Stay informed about: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:56 am
Post subject: Re: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:54:03 +0100, Walter Mitty <mitticus.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
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>"johns" <johns321.TakeThisOut@moscow.com> writes:
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>> I did that on a 2 gig thumb drive, and Vista
>> installed some kind of file security on the
>> drive, so that when I took it to an XP box,
>> I could not copy it off until I logged in as
>> administrator. I notice there is some kind
>> of option to run apps as administrator ..
>> not just installs. I wonder how this security
>> factor affects games ? Is there tweaking
>> that just applies to the admin ?
>>
>> johns
>>
>
>What did you do Johns? You have cut all context again....
Pity he does not do that with his "in-the-face" game spoilers.
John Lewis
"I need my delusions of grandure" *johns* 12-Feb-2007 >> Stay informed about: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:09 am
Post subject: Re: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Feb 16, 5:20 am, "CJM" <cjmnew....RemoveThis@REMOVEMEyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> A very broad and largely incorrect generalisation. The speed of the flash
> drive is a influence on price but less so than brand name, quality and
> features. I have a £12 basic 2GB Kingston drive and it works great. My
> colleague has a 'deluxe' Kingston drive that cost double that won't work. My
> wife has an unbranded drive costing something like £6 that matches the
> performance of my drive.
My understanding is that it's the random access speed and latency
that are more important, not sequential read speed. My Memorex has a
latency of 1.5 miliseconds. This is high for flash memory but much
faster than any hard drive. I could have gone for a high end 2 GB
drive at 110 dollars... but I don't think that would be cost
effective. If I'm going to spend that much money it would probably be
better to get onboard RAM.
I also have a 2GB flash drive that will NOT work with Ready Boost.
The latency is fine, but the read speed is only about 1 megabyte per
second. Vista will not let you use memory that is too slow to
benefit. >> Stay informed about: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:11 am
Post subject: Re: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Feb 16, 5:45 am, Walter Mitty <mitti....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Magnulus" <magnu....RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> writes:
> > I have a 2 GB Memorex drive using the Readyboost, the transfer
> > speed is about 14 megabytes per second.
>
> > I had no idea Readyboost did anything for in-game performance. I
> > thought it just allowed applications to load faster. Maybe I am
> > missing something here?
>
> > The flash memory will eventually kill itself with all those reads
> > and writes... but the cost is trivial now days. My flash drive only
> > cost 40 dollars.
>
> What is happening here? Have all posters just decided to ignore years of
> posting niceties and do their own thing??? JOhns, Magnulus and that
> moron Trimble Bracegirdle have all decided that posting context is not
> necessary.
>
> HINT : a lot of use expire read posts. Thus, if you do not include
> context then your posts make ZERO sense whatsoever. You should not
> expect people to re-read a previous post to make sense of the current
> one.
>
> Come on guys, you know it makes sense.
You have a point but I've seen the extreme taken the opposite way.
Why is it necessary to quote everything? That gets boring to read
too. I guess it depends on what browser or application you are using
to read newsgroups. >> Stay informed about: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:56 am
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"Gray Markin" <gray RemoveThis @gmark-inz.com> wrote in message
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> It would help in games where you are exceeding physical memory and
> swapping to disk, as I suspect the OP is.
>
It helps a little in most large & demanding games. The amount of data these
go through usually exceeds what you have in your machine. Instead of trying
to load it all at once, the game will load & discard various data (for
example, geometry and textures for different levels/maps). ReadyBoost can
help when this type of data is requested.
Obviously if it's a small game which can all be loaded into memory at once,
there is no benefit, but most 3D games don't fit in this category.
> Also, all flash drives are not the same.
Correct.
> The faster (and thus more
> expensive) ones do more for your gaming experience.
Faster != more expensive
> The discount ones
> you see on online shops either don't help much or impede your
> performance depending on what you're doing and how much RAM you have.
>
A very broad and largely incorrect generalisation. The speed of the flash
drive is a influence on price but less so than brand name, quality and
features. I have a £12 basic 2GB Kingston drive and it works great. My
colleague has a 'deluxe' Kingston drive that cost double that won't work. My
wife has an unbranded drive costing something like £6 that matches the
performance of my drive.
It is purely the speed of the drive that is the issue, and drives *can* be
cheap and fast.
> Personally I don't have any games that exceed 1.5GB when I'm playing
> so I wouldn't expect a gaming boost.
>
This may be true if you only play old/simple games. If you play anything
modern like Oblivion/G3/NWN2 you will probably see a boost at some point. >> Stay informed about: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:56 am
Post subject: Re: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Magnulus" <magnulus DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> writes:
> I have a 2 GB Memorex drive using the Readyboost, the transfer
> speed is about 14 megabytes per second.
>
> I had no idea Readyboost did anything for in-game performance. I
> thought it just allowed applications to load faster. Maybe I am
> missing something here?
>
> The flash memory will eventually kill itself with all those reads
> and writes... but the cost is trivial now days. My flash drive only
> cost 40 dollars.
>
What is happening here? Have all posters just decided to ignore years of
posting niceties and do their own thing??? JOhns, Magnulus and that
moron Trimble Bracegirdle have all decided that posting context is not
necessary.
HINT : a lot of use expire read posts. Thus, if you do not include
context then your posts make ZERO sense whatsoever. You should not
expect people to re-read a previous post to make sense of the current
one.
Come on guys, you know it makes sense. >> Stay informed about: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:57 am
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"Magnulus" <magnulus.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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On Feb 16, 5:20 am, "CJM" <cjmnew....RemoveThis@REMOVEMEyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> My understanding is that it's the random access speed and latency
> that are more important, not sequential read speed.
Kinda...
AFAIK, the access time of most if not all Flash drives will beat most HDDs,
but they are comparatively slower for sustained data transfers, Therefore,
for the flash disk to be useful for ReadyBoost, it must have lower access
times than HDDs (which most do), plus minimum read/write speeds in order to
transform that latency advantage into an overall advantage for small files.
If will never be useful for larger files because you can't make enough of a
saving on access times to offset the comparatively slow sustained read/write
rates. >> Stay informed about: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:57 am
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"Magnulus" <magnulus DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Why is it necessary to quote everything? That gets boring to read
> too. I guess it depends on what browser or application you are using
> to read newsgroups.
>
Agreed.
So the best course of action is to use common sense. If it's a quick-fire NG
thread, feel free not to quote. If it's not or if you are not sure, quote
the [snipped] previous post(s).
Don't ever quote the previous post in whole unless the whole post is
relevant or if there as been a big gap since the previous post.
The downside of this approach is that it requires common sense,
consideration and effort. None of which are usually found on USENET. >> Stay informed about: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:57 am
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"Magnulus" <magnulus.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> writes:
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> You have a point but I've seen the extreme taken the opposite way.
> Why is it necessary to quote everything? That gets boring to read
Who said anything about quoting everything? Normally back to last level
to keep, well, context. It isn't rocket science.
> too. I guess it depends on what browser or application you are using
> to read newsgroups.
No, it doesn't. Context is the done thing. >> Stay informed about: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:11 am
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On Feb 17, 10:06 am, "HockeyTownUSA" <m... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> While it may sound trivial cost-wise, you probably don't gain much
> performance from the $20 2GB flash drives, as much as you would from a
> higher quality (i.e. faster, more read/write cycles) drive, which cost
> significantly more.
The most important thing for ReadyBoost apparrently is the latency,
not the read/write speed. Readyboost will not do large sequential
reads from flash memory.
And also evidently, according to Microsoft, flash drives doing
ReadyBoost should last about as long as normal hard drives. A few
years at the least. >> Stay informed about: VISTA ReadyBoost & Gothic 3 |
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