"Playa" <hurlgen40k.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hey,
>
> On Dec 11, 3:42 am, "Spack" <n....TakeThisOut@worldofspack.co.uk> wrote:
>> those flyer rules are only as official as the Chapter Approved
>> article they were taken from, which is the full VDR
>
> Well, that's as 'official' as VDR get, right? GW's house rules?
Of course, but you were stating that the flyer part were official. What do
you define as official then?
>> they can't be used in most events, and you need to clear it with your
>> opponent first, so they're no more officially supported than the rest
>
> But, that's all that is 'presently legal' to the best of my
> knowledge.
It's part of an article about using flyers. They included that extract
because it had the only non-FW flyer rules that had been printed.
The entire VDR is on the German site - does that make it "presently legal"?
> GW's failure to include the old tables could mean anything.
It's an extract to allow players with flyer models who don't have access to
the FW rules to use them in a 40k game, nothing more.
>> Those tables have the
>> points costs for all the options and weapons
>
> They -had- the costs for the -then available- options and weapons.
> As v4 costing schemes have changed, they're of even less use.
> Don't get me started on the old Chaos options . . .
They're at least somewhat useful for providing a framework to build on
though. Switching in options and points from the current codexes isn't that
hard.
>> Without them you have to just pull figures out of thin air.
>
> Though I personally dislike the prospect, that seems to be the favored
> approach.
Not from what I've seen. Maybe things are different here in the UK.
>> most players who will allow custom datasheets are probably going to
>> prefer one costed using the VDR rather than just something completely
>> made
>> up and undercosted
>
> Well, I agree in principle - that's what I would have thought, too.
> But, I've seen discussions shut down for daring to suggest it.
Odd, I've seen the opposite in discussions I've been involved in.
> FWIW, I have a txt version of the Dec 2000 VDR somewhere.
> I think it (JJ's 'Souped Up') is the latest-and-greatest VDR rev.
> It's certainly got some ASCII costing tables in there . . .
Bloody hell, that's even more out of date than the CA 2004 copy I have here
(or available from the aforementioned GW Germany site).
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Dan
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