Welcome vs. Unwelcome Advice (?)

Dan wrote:
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam RemoveThis @hccnet.nl> wrote:
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>> Health potion is instant and if it doesn't do a full heal it means I get
>> less aggro as a bonus. I don't need much health, just enough to stay
>> alive till the crisis has been resolved.
>
> Healing yourself, no matter which way you do it, generates the same
> amount of healing aggro on all mobs, whether it's a spell, a
> bandage, a healthstone or a potion.

Not as I understand it. A potion gives me X aggro per hitpoint healed.
Getting healed by someone else gets me the same X aggro per hitpoint
healed. See where the maths don't match up anymore? You are forgetting
that I get aggro 1] for healing someone 2] for getting healed. Healing
yourself is a sure way to keep holding aggro over the tank (until you die)

>> In PvP Duels against DPS classes healing
>> yourself is a sure road to defeat.
>
> Coming from a holy spec priest, that's just laughable. A shadow
> priest can pump out the damage needed to kill someone before they
> take too much damage themselves, a holy priest generally cannot.
> If they don't shield or heal, they are going to die first. Usually
> Psychic Scream is used to buy time to fully heal themselves while
> the enemy runs helplessly around, otherwise it's shield and renew or
> flash heal. Even shadow priests are likely to slap a vampiric
> embrace on their target, so they get healed during the fight.

Healing myself has always gotten my killed in 1 on 1 PvP duels. When I
HoT and Shield before going into battle and then just keep doing ranged
DPS spells I do better (and fear them, that also works nicely, but not
when combined with a large heal IMHO)

> Your group has massively over-pulled if both you *and* your tank
> have life-threatening dps on you. You are facing an almost-certain
> wipe. In that circumstance, you'd be better off casting Prayer of
> Healing, which will heal both of you (and anyone else hurt too.)
> Prayer of Healing is the Priest's trump card for saving parties that
> have lost control of aggro. It's what makes the priest the 'best'
> healing class. It means you can save a party that any other healer
> cannot because you can heal everyone in it at once. It's by far the
> spell I miss the most when I'm group-healing with my shaman - the
> shaman's chain heal is puny by comparison.

Maybe you should group with a druid that has tranquility. It is my
favorite spell in the game! http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=740

> I get the feeling I'm wasting my time here. I'm trying to offer
> advice and tips and tactics that in my experience will work far
> better than the ones you are using, but it's like I'm banging my
> head against a wall.

I am sorry to hear that. Thank you for your time!

> Your philosophy is alien to me.

Likewise,
Thomas
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"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam.RemoveThis@hccnet.nl> wrote:

>Dan wrote:
>> Healing yourself, no matter which way you do it, generates the same
>> amount of healing aggro on all mobs, whether it's a spell, a
>> bandage, a healthstone or a potion.
>
>Not as I understand it. A potion gives me X aggro per hitpoint healed.
>Getting healed by someone else gets me the same X aggro per hitpoint
>healed. See where the maths don't match up anymore? You are forgetting
>that I get aggro 1] for healing someone 2] for getting healed. Healing
>yourself is a sure way to keep holding aggro over the tank (until you die)

No, not true. You gain aggro by healing someone yes, you do not gain
aggro for getting healed. If you did, healing the tank would
actually help them keep aggro - it doesn't.

However even if what you said was true (it isn't, but for the sake
of argument), it still doesn't disagree with what I said above.

Dan
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"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam RemoveThis @hccnet.nl> writes:
>Not as I understand it. A potion gives me X aggro per hitpoint healed.
>Getting healed by someone else gets me the same X aggro per hitpoint
>healed. See where the maths don't match up anymore? You are forgetting

If that was true, you'd have a point. But it isn't. You don't get aggro for
'being healed'. You get aggro for initiating a healing activity, however
that may be accomplished. Chugging a potion will generate the precise same
amount of aggro as healing yourself via spell for the same number of
points. *
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* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
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> You can't damage your way out of an overpull in either case, so what is
> the difference? The difference is that I have enough mana and _time_ to
> heal the tank which gives the tank a chance to grab aggro again. (using
> e.g. Retaliation or Challenging Roar as a druid)

you are extremely ignorant, any decent geared (sword at least)60 rogue
can offtank almost anything short of bosses in most 5man instances, and
in many cases its extremely beneficial to do so, should he not get heals
because hes not the tank?... like everoyne else said, get to 60, run
brs/scholo/strat 50 times and then get back with us... until then, youre
trolling

kyle
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PV wrote:
> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam.DeleteThis@hccnet.nl> writes:
>> Not as I understand it. A potion gives me X aggro per hitpoint healed.
>> Getting healed by someone else gets me the same X aggro per hitpoint
>> healed. See where the maths don't match up anymore? You are forgetting
>
> If that was true, you'd have a point. But it isn't. You don't get aggro for
> 'being healed'. You get aggro for initiating a healing activity, however
> that may be accomplished. Chugging a potion will generate the precise same
> amount of aggro as healing yourself via spell for the same number of
> points. *

That is useful to know for me. I figured getting healed got you aggro
because I remember a mob running to me while I channeled a bandage on
myself.

Thanks,
Thomas
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> PV wrote:
>> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam DeleteThis @hccnet.nl> writes:
>>> Not as I understand it. A potion gives me X aggro per hitpoint healed.
>>> Getting healed by someone else gets me the same X aggro per hitpoint
>>> healed. See where the maths don't match up anymore? You are forgetting
>>
>> If that was true, you'd have a point. But it isn't. You don't get aggro
>> for
>> 'being healed'. You get aggro for initiating a healing activity, however
>> that may be accomplished. Chugging a potion will generate the precise
>> same
>> amount of aggro as healing yourself via spell for the same number of
>> points. *
>
> That is useful to know for me. I figured getting healed got you aggro
> because I remember a mob running to me while I channeled a bandage on
> myself.

Yep, bandaging is healing yourself. You can even get agro from buffing
yourself or others. Small, but enough sometimes to be very bad.
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"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam DeleteThis @hccnet.nl> writes:
>That is useful to know for me. I figured getting healed got you aggro
>because I remember a mob running to me while I channeled a bandage on
>myself.

Bandaging is 'initiating a healing activity', same as casting a spell.
Again, you'll get the same total aggro. The good thing about bandages
though, is that the healing is spread out a bit, so you're very unlikely to
bandage yourself above the tank's aggro level - one sunder is worth about
3 seconds of bandage ticks with heavy runecloth. Think of it as a single
party channeled HoT that anyone can do. *
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