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> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2006_Sept_28/ai_n16835634
>
> Now take your head out of your ass and read this carefully. CAREFULLY.
>
> Is Joseph Goebels your idol, BTW?

BTW... one more point:

"The results showed that 72 percent of consumers are "not actively avoiding"
buying games that have copy protection, and nearly 60 percent believe that
it doesn't matter whether the game is protected."

As far as I know copy protection is CD KEY protection as well not just NAZI
DRM. So, Matrix Games and Stardock HAVE copy protection as well! Only in
simpler form!

This study doesn't backup your claims.

As far as I know then Paradox is much more user frendly toward it's
customers for some of it's titles THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY COPY PROTECTION AT
ALL!!

You can copy Hearts of Iron II as much as you want, no serial keys!

So maybe this study just show that those 28% doesn't want any copy
protection at all, not even what Matrix games has. So large amount of those
28% I presume are in fact pirates .>

So your arguments are on pretty unstable feet.



Mario
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In article <fmqqvd$dca$1@sunce.iskon.hr>,
george.washington DeleteThis @microsoft.com says...
> "The results showed that 72 percent of consumers are "not actively avoiding"
> buying games that have copy protection, and nearly 60 percent believe that
> it doesn't matter whether the game is protected."
>
> As far as I know copy protection is CD KEY protection as well not just NAZI
> DRM. So, Matrix Games and Stardock HAVE copy protection as well! Only in
> simpler form!

Wouldn't there be even more people avoiding DRM? If the figure is as
high as 28% for all copy protection, it must be incredible for DRM.

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In article <MPG.21fac3f2df92c99dc6.DeleteThis@news.east.earthlink.net>, epicat1212
@hotmail.com says...

> > As far as I know copy protection is CD KEY protection as well not just NAZI
> > DRM. So, Matrix Games and Stardock HAVE copy protection as well! Only in
> > simpler form!
>
> Wouldn't there be even more people avoiding DRM? If the figure is as
> high as 28% for all copy protection, it must be incredible for DRM.

My assumption was that the 28% figure includes DRM. But I'm also
willing to assume that very, very few people consider a non-invasive
measure like a simple serial number to be "copy protection."

After all, what does a serial number prevent me, the buyer, from doing?
I can make backups of my game and my serial number. I can install the
game wherever, whenever, and however I like. I can have a copy on my
laptop *and* my desktop. I can play connected or unconnected from the
internet. I can install the game ten years from now.

Other forms of copy protection might not be as intrusive and limiting as
activation, but each of them (Need-CD, for example) limits me in some
way that a serial number does not.

I look at a serial number the same way I view the key to my car; yeah, I
need to have a key to make my car run. But that's a feature, not a bug.

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In article <MPG.21fac75eae2c76a3989782.TakeThisOut@news.giganews.com>, giftzwerg999
@NOSPAMZ.hotmail.com says...
> In article <MPG.21fac3f2df92c99dc6.TakeThisOut@news.east.earthlink.net>, epicat1212
> @hotmail.com says...
>
> > > As far as I know copy protection is CD KEY protection as well not just NAZI
> > > DRM. So, Matrix Games and Stardock HAVE copy protection as well! Only in
> > > simpler form!
> >
> > Wouldn't there be even more people avoiding DRM? If the figure is as
> > high as 28% for all copy protection, it must be incredible for DRM.
>
> My assumption was that the 28% figure includes DRM. But I'm also
> willing to assume that very, very few people consider a non-invasive
> measure like a simple serial number to be "copy protection."
>
> After all, what does a serial number prevent me, the buyer, from doing?
> I can make backups of my game and my serial number. I can install the
> game wherever, whenever, and however I like. I can have a copy on my
> laptop *and* my desktop. I can play connected or unconnected from the
> internet. I can install the game ten years from now.
>
> Other forms of copy protection might not be as intrusive and limiting as
> activation, but each of them (Need-CD, for example) limits me in some
> way that a serial number does not.
>
> I look at a serial number the same way I view the key to my car; yeah, I
> need to have a key to make my car run. But that's a feature, not a bug.

Yeah...I thought about this some, and someone who doesn't like a serial
number, or CD-in-the-drive, isn't going to like activation. The
opposite isn't necessarily true.
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> And he's entitled to be 'my opinion', too, because he's right on
> target.

Well no problem Herman, but now you have really dissapointed me.

Good bye.
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"Bloodstar" <george.washington.TakeThisOut@microsoft.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:fmqtbs$g9f$1@sunce.iskon.hr...
>> And he's entitled to be 'my opinion', too, because he's right on
>> target.
>
> Well no problem Herman, but now you have really dissapointed me.
>
> Good bye.

First HarpoonHQ, now Mario... where will Herman stop? ))
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> Jupiter ? From the nearest black hole more likely, because one can't
> get any denser ...

Well, just keep amusing me... I decided to not plonk you as you are amusing,
so keep it up please! )))

Well, I just hope that you are not evil in real life like you are trying to
portray yourself here.



Mario
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>> As far as I know copy protection is CD KEY protection as well not just
>> NAZI
>> DRM. So, Matrix Games and Stardock HAVE copy protection as well! Only in
>> simpler form!
>
> Wouldn't there be even more people avoiding DRM? If the figure is as
> high as 28% for all copy protection, it must be incredible for DRM.

At last some reasonable voice to discuss here. Thank you Epi. People let's
calm down....

At first I was thinking that this poll is something stupid like I mostly
think of all polls.

But what I am founding amusing that some people use this poll as an argument
against activation based games, DRM etc...

I can be cruel and actually use this poll for my argumentation and but I say
in advance THAT I DON'T BELIEVE TOO MUCH in any poll whatsoever.

I could make big analisy but as I see this whole text in fact is something
like pro copy protection. Other parts are simply amusing or not very
logical.

Regarding your comment, I think that 28% is really too high number and that
it includes all copy protected games. Why they didn't then made a question
regarding purely DRM based games I have no idea.

But polls generally are not always good indicator of almost anything. I
would believe them if majority of gamers were included in voting not small
percent of them.


Mario
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In article <fmqurt$i5b$1@sunce.iskon.hr>,
george.washington RemoveThis @microsoft.com says...

> But polls generally are not always good indicator of almost anything. I
> would believe them if majority of gamers were included in voting not small
> percent of them.
>
>
> Mario

Polls can be a good indicator. They have to be backed up, like
everything else.

The thing is, this is what a copy-protection company said. If they were
going to be a little dishonest with the numbers, they'd shade it the
other way. Instead, it seems they were just dishonest with the way they
worded it. Unfortunately, you have to expect this much from companies.

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> I look at a serial number the same way I view the key to my car; yeah, I
> need to have a key to make my car run. But that's a feature, not a bug.

Hehe... no it cannot pass just like that.

Hearts of Iron 2 doesn't have any copy protection at all, not even CD KEY.

CD KEY is a copy protection but of course it is not intruisive as other.

I see that Matrix Games put's CD KEY's that were leaked to pirates of TOAW 3
for example on black list and includes it in patch. So that is also viable
and effective way of dealing with piracy - pirate get's 1.0 version but
cannot patch it unless patch is cracked as well.



Mario
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> First HarpoonHQ, now Mario... where will Herman stop? ))

I cannot please everyone )))) Nor I intent.

Kill everyone and return alone )))
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> You silly boy, come on. Everyone in here knows that IRL you're getting
> paid by the anti-DRM lobby so that people who weren't convinced before
> of it's daftness now *know* they want nothing of that because being
> pro-DRM means being associated with the likes of that moron you play
> so convincingly. I just mailed them to give you a bonus, because over
> the past weeks you've outdone yourself.

LOL

I am not pro-DRM how much I must repeat? A guy called HR summed it right -
we have certain period of time here on this planet and I don't want to miss
games that I would like to play only because of DRM.

That's only truth out there. Certain games that has DRM but I have no
interest in playing them I don't buy.

And I buy Matrix Games products as well, last one was Advanced Tactics and I
do intend to buy them in the future as well, I don't ignore them no matter
what. If game intrigues me my credit card is ready.

You on the other hand was supporter of lone wolf programmer Hubert Cater and
owned SC1 but decided not to buy SC2 due to DRM protection. Isn't it?

That is not very altruistic toward Hubert Cater who also must eat, pay the
bills etc...

So maybe I am just more generous and understanding than you.



Mario
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In article <fmr05h$jlv$1@sunce.iskon.hr>,
george.washington RemoveThis @microsoft.com says...

> You on the other hand was supporter of lone wolf programmer Hubert Cater and
> owned SC1 but decided not to buy SC2 due to DRM protection. Isn't it?

Mario, I *still* want to give Cater my bucks!! Here ya go, Hubie, I got
yer money right here! I *loved* SC1! I'd buy SC2 *tomorrow* if he was
willing to just sell it to me, and not try to rent it.

The very day he ditches the Nazi DRM and stops assuming I'm a crook,
I'll cheerfully give him my money. Happily. Can't think of a guy I'd
rather send fifty bucks to.

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ineligible to compete in the Beijing Olympics because his prosthetic
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