Uber Jackals?

External Since: Dec 12, 2007 Posts: 40

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> "mike3" <mike4....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Hmm. So what do you do once the jackals have gotten uber, anyway?
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> That's the whole point when I say it makes you think. The point is that you
> prevent them ever becoming uber.
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But what happens once it's too late for that? I've got a couple old
games
I haven't gone back to because this has already happened.

> How?
> Sneak up or teleport to jackalwere and kill him right away or transform him
> or just lock him in the room or ... Think.
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But what about in the early part of the game, where one often does not
have at hand a teleporter or high-instakill weapon or keys or
something?
Obviously you have to kill some jackals but how many is it before you
have
to start worrying about it?

> > And furthermore, why just jackals, why not every type of monster? Or
> > is it just because jackals are so common?
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> Yes, because they are so common. Theoretically, uber effect can be produced
> by any monster type that can be randomly generated in the dungeon. But
> rarely will you in a single game kill more than a hundred or so monsters of
> the same type( even orcs or goblins or kobolds) unless there are some
> summoner that summons them or they are breeders( the only exception would be
> blue dragons that I can think of right now). But like coppro said before, in
> a single random wilderness encounter, you could be surrounded by dozens or
> even a hundred of jackals. Jackalwares are the most common but you have to
> look out for all kinds of summoners and breeders.
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That makes sense.

> In almost 10 years of playing the game, I don't remember having a big
> problem with uber-jackals. Like sandra said, blink dogs can become a pain
> especially in the early game. Long time ago, I had a major problem with
> worms in the big room so I'm still *allergic* to them and I 'shoot them on
> sight'. Giant bee warriors get my vote for being the most annoying monsters
> in the game, they can produce some serious uber-giant bee warriors. The
> biggest uber effect, as I remember, create chaos servants. That is why I
> wouldn't want the uber effect removed because without it, the mana temple
> and the final level would be a totaly different experience.

External Since: Dec 12, 2007 Posts: 40

On Feb 6, 4:59 am, Petr Prokop <zwei2st... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> It really seems like design mistake.
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It sure does. Just because something isn't a "bug" doesn't mean
it's automatically a good thing.

> UBER effect is in game for reason thou, but there are different
> appraches on how to stop
> player progressing on easy monsters (if we want to, but only MMO
> requires this kind of
> player limiting IMO): worse loot drops, less xp/weapon marks, etc..
>

That's what I was thinking. Why not just make the XP go down for
the amount of monsters killed? If you want to increase the time
required
for XP gain, that would do it -- they'd have to kill harder monsters
which
are also not only more dangerous but more rare, the latter factor
serving to increase the time and prolong the tedium of the game.
(Or force a descent into deep levels where they're very common, but
also, of course, risky & dangerous, but ain't that the point?)

> Another approach would be to cap UBER effect based on danger level:
> jackals would be
> maximally as strongr as strongest monster you can encounter in that
> dungeon level/wilderness tile.