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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:31 am
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I found a red and blue key in the 2 story house in Minoc but never found
anything to open with it. Anyone know what it goes to?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:11 pm
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The key is on the round table?

Nothing important. I suspect it opens some chest or so, which is
well-openable by Skeleton Key anyway.

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> I found a red and blue key in the 2 story house in Minoc but never found
> anything to open with it. Anyone know what it goes to?
>
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:11 pm
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I'll put it back next time i'm in Minoc so i don't keep carrying it around.
It must have gone to a chest i picked the lock on before i found it.
Although... is it possible to pick a lock that has a key?

Haven't run across the skeleton key yet.

"Moscow Dragon" <maxim__s RemoveThis @mtu-net.ru> wrote in message
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> The key is on the round table?
>
> Nothing important. I suspect it opens some chest or so, which is
> well-openable by Skeleton Key anyway.
>
> "The Stare" <wat1 RemoveThis @not.likely.frontiernet.net> wrote in message
> news:35gum7F4iqdqkU1@individual.net...
>> I found a red and blue key in the 2 story house in Minoc but never found
>> anything to open with it. Anyone know what it goes to?
>>
>> --
>> Supreme Lord: http://watorrey.net/
>> Heathcliff Dragon -==(UDIC)==-
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:11 pm
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If the container (or door) requires its personal key - it cannot be
picked - "Strange that it does not work". It can probably be smashed by the
weapons, but this is another song. The pirate's cove west of Serpent's Hold
had a strange chest with no keys for it and not smashable. IIRC it was empty
(determined by the cheat mode or by U7Wizard).

If the container can be picked - then it also can be opened by a
Skeleton Key (find it). Skeleton Key means - no more need in lockpicks.
Picks are spendable and have a random chance of breaking, the Skeleton Key
is not.

Some technical info. Simple items in U7 are divided to classes:

1) HitPoints. Stupid item, without any interesting properties, but can be
smashed by weapons or explosion (it has its own "health" and you must
decrease it down to zero by smashing). Doors or glass covers seems to be
such.
It cannot be stacked in a heap like money or arrows, and also has no notion
of "property" on it.

2) ExtraStatus. Cannot be smashed by the weapons or explosion, cannot be
stacked, but has the notion of "property" and can be a weapon in hand. Most
weapons/armor is such. Food too. It also can hang on the wall like torch and
do not fall.

3) Heapable. Cannot be smashed, can be stacked in a heap, has NO notion of
property (but inherit the container's one and maybe even the
table's-under-them-one, so any money or mandrake roots lying around on the
floor are "yours to take"), cannot be hanging and falls. Money, reagents,
arrows.

4) Quality. Cannot be smashed, cannot be stacked in a heap, has NO notion of
property (but inheritance works), cannot be hanging and falls. It holds the
special number named "quality" inside it which is interpreted by the game
logic. Keys are such example - they are matches against the chest's Quality.
The Quality 254 on the chest (AFAIK) means - "pickable". Picks will say
"Strange it does not work" if applied to any other chest, otherwise a random
roll (but pick is gone anyway). Skeleton key also has a Quality of 254.

5) Map. I do not remember the special effects of these items, nor do I
remember the items belonging to this class.

Non-simple items are - containers, spellbooks, Virtue Stones, barges
(movable constructions which Avatar can steer - ships, Ice Raft etc), Eggs
(invisible objects which trigger script executions or monster creation, the
ONLY way of monster creation in the game) and the alive beings.

Containers combine the properties of HitPoints, Quality, and ExtraStatus
classes - they can be smashed, are compared to a key, and have the notion of
"property".

Also an interesting thing. The "disposable" items. Any item of any class has
the "disposable" flag. Disposable items are just disappear on region
outswap - i.e. when the Avatar goes too far from them (other items are saved
to U7IREGXXX files to be reloaded later). The dead bodies are usually such,
and not only. Looks like the weapons taken from the dead bodies are also
such, and so on.

This flag is manipulated by the engine and scripts in some very weird and
complex ways. For instance, once I filled a backpack full of minor weapons I
no more needed - like maces. I left this backpack somewhere and then went
all over the world. When I returned to the backpack - sorry, it was empty!
Backpack itself existed, but the items in it were gone!

I suspect that any items which were even once in Avatar's or companion's
posession are no more disposable forever, but I'm not sure of it. What is
surely disposable is dead bodies of non-NPC characters and that putting the
item to disposable or non-disposable container does not affect the
"disposability" of the item by itself - the container can be non-disposable
while the item continues to be disposable.

Also the script-generated items are interesting, for instance, I cannot
remember whether the food created by Create Food spell is disposable.

Max
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:14 pm
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"Moscow Dragon" <maxim__s.DeleteThis@mtu-net.ru> wrote in message
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> If the container (or door) requires its personal key - it cannot be
> picked - "Strange that it does not work". It can probably be smashed by
> the
> weapons, but this is another song. The pirate's cove west of Serpent's
> Hold
> had a strange chest with no keys for it and not smashable. IIRC it was
> empty
> (determined by the cheat mode or by U7Wizard).
>
> If the container can be picked - then it also can be opened by a
> Skeleton Key (find it). Skeleton Key means - no more need in lockpicks.
> Picks are spendable and have a random chance of breaking, the Skeleton Key
> is not.
<snip>

Question--provide a spoiler space if need be, but where can this be found?


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:14 pm
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"The Triad" <wanderer RemoveThis @beeb.web> wrote in message
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> "Moscow Dragon" <maxim__s RemoveThis @mtu-net.ru> wrote in message
> news:ct3353$25b2$1@gavrilo.mtu.ru...
>> If the container (or door) requires its personal key - it cannot be
>> picked - "Strange that it does not work". It can probably be smashed by
>> the
>> weapons, but this is another song. The pirate's cove west of Serpent's
>> Hold
>> had a strange chest with no keys for it and not smashable. IIRC it was
>> empty
>> (determined by the cheat mode or by U7Wizard).
>>
>> If the container can be picked - then it also can be opened by a
>> Skeleton Key (find it). Skeleton Key means - no more need in lockpicks.
>> Picks are spendable and have a random chance of breaking, the Skeleton
>> Key
>> is not.
> <snip>
>
> Question--provide a spoiler space if need be, but where can this be found?

Spoiler...























I found a skeleton key on an island west of Trinsic. It looks like a bigger
than normal gold colored key and just says 'key'.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:38 am
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In article <ct3hed$627$1$830fa7b3@news.demon.co.uk>, wanderer.DeleteThis@beeb.web says...

>"Moscow Dragon" <maxim__s.DeleteThis@mtu-net.ru> wrote in message
>news:ct3353$25b2$1@gavrilo.mtu.ru...
>> If the container (or door) requires its personal key - it cannot be
>> picked - "Strange that it does not work". It can probably be smashed by
>> the
>> weapons, but this is another song. The pirate's cove west of Serpent's
>> Hold
>> had a strange chest with no keys for it and not smashable. IIRC it was
>> empty
>> (determined by the cheat mode or by U7Wizard).
>>
>> If the container can be picked - then it also can be opened by a
>> Skeleton Key (find it). Skeleton Key means - no more need in lockpicks.
>> Picks are spendable and have a random chance of breaking, the Skeleton Key
>> is not.
><snip>

>Question--provide a spoiler space if need be, but where can this be found?

It is in a cave with a hidden entrance on the island north of Jehlem. The key
is in the desk. Lots of other goodies are in the desk and chest.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:44 am
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"The Stare" <wat1.DeleteThis@not.likely.frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> "The Triad" <wanderer.DeleteThis@beeb.web> wrote in message
> news:ct3hed$627$1$830fa7b3@news.demon.co.uk...
> > "Moscow Dragon" <maxim__s.DeleteThis@mtu-net.ru> wrote in message
> > news:ct3353$25b2$1@gavrilo.mtu.ru...
> >> If the container (or door) requires its personal key - it cannot be
> >> picked - "Strange that it does not work". It can probably be smashed by
> >> the
> >> weapons, but this is another song. The pirate's cove west of Serpent's
> >> Hold
> >> had a strange chest with no keys for it and not smashable. IIRC it was
> >> empty
> >> (determined by the cheat mode or by U7Wizard).
> >>
> >> If the container can be picked - then it also can be opened by a
> >> Skeleton Key (find it). Skeleton Key means - no more need in lockpicks.
> >> Picks are spendable and have a random chance of breaking, the Skeleton
> >> Key
> >> is not.
> > <snip>
> >
> > Question--provide a spoiler space if need be, but where can this be
found?
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> I found a skeleton key on an island west of Trinsic. It looks like a
bigger
> than normal gold colored key and just says 'key'.

Yes, in a semi-deteritoriated hat.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:41 am
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> It is in a cave with a hidden entrance on the island north of Jehlem. The
key
> is in the desk. Lots of other goodies are in the desk and chest.

No, this is another place, and Skeleton Key is not there.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:41 am
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In article <ct4813$2tnb$1@gavrilo.mtu.ru>, maxim__s.TakeThisOut@mtu-net.ru says...

>> It is in a cave with a hidden entrance on the island north of Jehlem. The
>> key is in the desk. Lots of other goodies are in the desk and chest.

>No, this is another place, and Skeleton Key is not there.

You are right. The hut with the key is NE of where I was.

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