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Erik Selde

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:59 pm
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Hi

Has anyone ever had a trip with real world pilots where you are allowed to
be in the cockpit the whole trip, also during take-off and landing

Could one ask an Airline company, if such a trip could be possible for a
true aircraft nerd Smile???

Thanks

Erik

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Canuck

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:59 pm
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I don't think that would be poss in the modern world with the threats to
security. There was a pilot recently - I think a BA one - who was suspended
and probably lost his job because he allowed a celebrity into the cockpit
contrary to company orders

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"Erik Selde" <erik.selde.DeleteThis@mail.dk> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> Has anyone ever had a trip with real world pilots where you are allowed to
> be in the cockpit the whole trip, also during take-off and landing
>
> Could one ask an Airline company, if such a trip could be possible for a
> true aircraft nerd Smile???
>
> Thanks
>
> Erik
>

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Andy Hawkins

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:59 pm
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Hi,

In article <47a798e5$0$2100$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk>,
Erik Selde<erik.selde RemoveThis @mail.dk> wrote:
> Could one ask an Airline company, if such a trip could be possible for a
> true aircraft nerd Smile???

In the post 9/11 world, sadly, I doubt it Sad

Andy
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Dallas

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:59 pm
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:59:53 +0100, Erik Selde wrote:

> Has anyone ever had a trip with real world pilots where you are allowed to
> be in the cockpit the whole trip, also during take-off and landing
>
> Could one ask an Airline company, if such a trip could be possible for a
> true aircraft nerd Smile???


Sure... just about a year ago in a 737.

You'd have to know a pilot who can (pending company policy) invite you
along on an empty ferry ride.


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MikeW

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:59 pm
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Erik Selde wrote:

> Has anyone ever had a trip with real world pilots where you are
> allowed to be in the cockpit the whole trip, also during take-off and
> landing

Yes. Twice.

I flew from Old Sarum (Quilly's local airfield) in Wiltshire UK, to
Detmold in Germany. Not only was I in the 'cockpit' but I flew in the
'right hand seat' all the way. OK, OK, it was only a Beaver, and quite
some years ago, but still a most enjoyable flight. Smile

Another enjoyable flight was courtesy of the Canadian Air Force. I was
privileged to fly in the jump seat of one of their C130's for the entire
trip, except for about 20 minutes, during which time I made my way into
the hold, to watch the loadmasters dropping large parachute loads off
the tail gate. The idea was to 'experiment' dropping personnel and cargo
at, or near the same time, from the same aircraft.
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Shrewsbury, UK.
Flying is hours of boredom, punctuated by moments of stark terror.
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Fred Ost

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:07 am
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In the eighties I was fortunate to be upgraded to first class on one of my
many bussiness trips to Canada. It was a 747 and half way across I was
invited to visit the flight deck. I was absolutely gobsmacked trying to take
in all the instruments and the lack of activity by both pilots, I remember
thinking who the hell is driving this thing.
Of course in those days I was not into flight simulation how I wish I could
do it again knowing what I know now I would get a lot more out of it.
Ah well I fear those days will never return, I feel us oldies have seen the
best times.
Cheers
Fred EGNX UK



"Erik Selde" <erik.selde.RemoveThis@mail.dk> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> Has anyone ever had a trip with real world pilots where you are allowed to
> be in the cockpit the whole trip, also during take-off and landing
>
> Could one ask an Airline company, if such a trip could be possible for a
> true aircraft nerd Smile???
>
> Thanks
>
> Erik
>
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p.b

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:29 am
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"Dallas" <Cybnorm DeleteThis @spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:59:53 +0100, Erik Selde wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever had a trip with real world pilots where you are allowed
>> to
>> be in the cockpit the whole trip, also during take-off and landing
>>
>> Could one ask an Airline company, if such a trip could be possible for a
>> true aircraft nerd Smile???
>
>
> Sure... just about a year ago in a 737.

hm, hm, a 737? what kind of bark is that?
better try this one.... http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2pVjoJycbO0

jealous reaction of a dutchman....
pieter Smile
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Mxsmanic

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:07 am
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Erik Selde writes:

> Has anyone ever had a trip with real world pilots where you are allowed to
> be in the cockpit the whole trip, also during take-off and landing

It's not allowed in the United States. Other countries that are less afraid
of their own shadows often still allow it at the captain's discretion.
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Canuck

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:07 am
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MX - If memory serves, you live in France, I don't believe you are in a
position therefore to make derogatory remarks about another nations self
defence issues unless rolling over counts as a plus point.

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"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Erik Selde writes:
>
>> Has anyone ever had a trip with real world pilots where you are allowed
>> to
>> be in the cockpit the whole trip, also during take-off and landing
>
> It's not allowed in the United States. Other countries that are less
> afraid
> of their own shadows often still allow it at the captain's discretion.
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Dallas

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:07 am
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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:07:21 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

> It's not allowed in the United States.

I'd be interested in seeing that statement backed up in print from an
official source.


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"Ibby

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:11 am
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> It's not allowed in the United States.  Other countries that are less afraid
> of their own shadows often still allow it at the captain's discretion.

I asked once on BMI Baby or Jet2 in UK after we had landed and sitting
at the apron and was still not allowed

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:39 am
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>
> hm, hm, a 737? what kind of bark is that?
> better try this one....http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2pVjoJycbO0

Dallas posted a picture in the past of it.

Ibby (Northern Ireland)
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Mxsmanic

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:35 am
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Canuck writes:

> MX - If memory serves, you live in France, I don't believe you are in a
> position therefore to make derogatory remarks about another nations self
> defence issues unless rolling over counts as a plus point.

I can make whatever remarks I want. Americans used to have courage, but
they've lost it. I'm sorry if the truth hurts.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:35 am
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Doesn't hurt me as I'm not American (hint username or is that too hard to
work out?) but you are in error. Try reading. End of story.

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"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Canuck writes:
>
>> MX - If memory serves, you live in France, I don't believe you are in a
>> position therefore to make derogatory remarks about another nations self
>> defence issues unless rolling over counts as a plus point.
>
> I can make whatever remarks I want. Americans used to have courage, but
> they've lost it. I'm sorry if the truth hurts.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:51 am
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Dallas writes:

> I'd be interested in seeing that statement backed up in print from an
> official source.

There's a long list of people who can be admitted, but ordinary individuals
are not among them. See below:

Federal Aviation Regulation

Part 121 OPERATING REQUIREMENTS: DOMESTIC, FLAG, AND SUPPLEMENTAL OPERATIONS
Subpart T--Flight Operations

Sec. 121.547

Admission to flight deck.

(a) No person may admit any person to the flight deck of an aircraft unless
the person being admitted is--

(1) A crewmember;
[(2) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator,
or an authorized representative of the National Transportation Safety Board,
who is performing official duties;]
(3) Any person who--
(i) Has permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management
official of the part 119 certificate holder, and the Administrator; and
(ii) Is an employee of--
(A) The United States, or
(B) A part 119 certificate holder and whose duties are such that
admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe
operation; or
(C) An aeronautical enterprise certificated by the Administrator
and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is
necessary or advantageous for safe operation.
(4) Any person who has the permission of the pilot in command, an
appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder and
the Administrator.

Paragraph (a)(2) of this section does not limit the emergency authority of the
pilot in command to exclude any person from the flightdeck in the interests of
safety.
Paragraph (a)(2) of this section does not limit the emergency authority of the
pilot in command to exclude any person from the flight deck in the interests
of safety.

(b) For the purposes of paragraph (a)(3) of this section, employees of the
United States who deal responsibly with matters relating to safety and
employees of the certificate holder whose efficiency would be increased by
familiarity with flight conditions, may be admitted by the certificate holder.
However, the certificate holder may not admit employees of traffic, sales, or
other departments that are not directly related to flight operations, unless
they are eligible under paragraph (a)(4) of this section.

(c) No person may admit any person to the flight deck unless there is a seat
available for his use in the passenger compartment, except--
[(1) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator,
or authorized representative of the Administrator or National Transportation
Safety Board who is checking or observing flight operations;]
(2) An air traffic controller who is authorized by the Administrator to
observe ATC procedures;
(3) A certificated airman employed by the certificate holder whose duties
require an airman certificate;
(4) A certificated airman employed by another part 119 certificate
holder whose duties with that part 119 certificate holder require an
airman certificate and who is authorized by the part 119 certificate holder
operating the aircraft to make specific trips over a route;
(5) An employee of the part 119 certificate holder operating the aircraft
whose duty is directly related to the conduct or planning of flight operations
or the in-flight monitoring of aircraft equipment or operating procedures,
if his presence on the flightdeck is necessary to perform his duties and
he has been authorized in writing by a responsible supervisor, listed in
the Operations Manual as having that authority; and
(6) A technical representative of the manufacturer of the aircraft or its
components whose duties are directly related to the in-flight monitoring
of aircraft equipment or operating procedures, if his presence on the
flightdeck is necessary to perform his duties and he has been authorized
in writing by the Administrator and by a responsible supervisor of the
operations department of the part 119 certificate holder, listed in the
Operations Manual as having that authority.
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