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Steven Kucera

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Since: Aug 21, 2006
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:55 am
Post subject: Tricky rules question
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Hi,

I thought all the adjudication problems had convoys, but what about this
one:

Austria:

A Ser Hold.
A Alb Support Turkish A Gre-Ser.

Turkey:

A Gre-Ser.
A Bul S A Gre-Ser

Russia:

A Bud-Ser
A Rum S A Bud-Ser

Clearly Russia is blocked, but is the Austrian unit in Serbia dislodged?
It could be argued that since Turkey's attack outnumbers Russia's, it
succeeds in Serbia and since it is supported by one of its own units, it
doesn't need Austrian A Alb to dislodge A Ser and therefore dislodges
it. On the other hand it could be argued that Austria's support to
dislodge its own unit is invalid and Turkey wouldn't have won without
this support, therefore A Ser is not dislodged. The rulebook is not very
clear about this issue. I am slightly in favour of the second
interpretation but I wonder what the judge does.

- Steve

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millis

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:34 am
Post subject: Re: Tricky rules question [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Supporting an attack against yourself is valid for the purposes of
blocking another attack (so- called Beleagured Garrison) but those
supports are invalidated for the actual disloding process. Thus A Ser
is not dislodged in your example.

Millis


Steven Kucera wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I thought all the adjudication problems had convoys, but what about this
> one:
>
> Austria:
>
> A Ser Hold.
> A Alb Support Turkish A Gre-Ser.
>
> Turkey:
>
> A Gre-Ser.
> A Bul S A Gre-Ser
>
> Russia:
>
> A Bud-Ser
> A Rum S A Bud-Ser
>
> Clearly Russia is blocked, but is the Austrian unit in Serbia dislodged?
> It could be argued that since Turkey's attack outnumbers Russia's, it
> succeeds in Serbia and since it is supported by one of its own units, it
> doesn't need Austrian A Alb to dislodge A Ser and therefore dislodges
> it. On the other hand it could be argued that Austria's support to
> dislodge its own unit is invalid and Turkey wouldn't have won without
> this support, therefore A Ser is not dislodged. The rulebook is not very
> clear about this issue. I am slightly in favour of the second
> interpretation but I wonder what the judge does.
>
> - Steve

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Rod Spade

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Tricky rules question [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Even though the Russian move does not succeed, it is sufficient to
standoff the Turkish attack. When determining whether a Turkish attack
on Austria succeeds, you do not count any Austrian supports. However,
the Austrian support is counted when determining whether the Turkish
attack prevents someone else from moving into Ser.

Steven Kucera wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I thought all the adjudication problems had convoys, but what about this
> one:
>
> Austria:
>
> A Ser Hold.
> A Alb Support Turkish A Gre-Ser.
>
> Turkey:
>
> A Gre-Ser.
> A Bul S A Gre-Ser
>
> Russia:
>
> A Bud-Ser
> A Rum S A Bud-Ser
>
> Clearly Russia is blocked, but is the Austrian unit in Serbia dislodged?
> It could be argued that since Turkey's attack outnumbers Russia's, it
> succeeds in Serbia and since it is supported by one of its own units, it
> doesn't need Austrian A Alb to dislodge A Ser and therefore dislodges
> it. On the other hand it could be argued that Austria's support to
> dislodge its own unit is invalid and Turkey wouldn't have won without
> this support, therefore A Ser is not dislodged. The rulebook is not very
> clear about this issue. I am slightly in favour of the second
> interpretation but I wonder what the judge does.
>
> - Steve
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