Training not considered physical harassment, too bad

Spider Pig wrote:
> "Marcel" <marcel.DeleteThis@marcel.invalid> wrote in message
> news:acrg14t8cqgasg2pa5lhueqm3rtc3padfd@4ax.com...
>> Since I don't like pvp at all I choose to play on non-pvp servers.
>> However, lately I noticed more and more players like to ruin the
>> gameplay of others by tricking them into pvp and/or on purpose making
>> their quest fail.
>> Today I was trying to do the escort quest at Go'Shek farm in Arathi
>> Highlands but was forced to give up because of a tauren druid.
>> I was teamed up with a warrior I just met and each and every time when
>> we where halfway through the druid would pull the npc into loads of
>> orcs getting her and sometimes us killed.
>> I hoped he would give up after some time but after almost two hours
>> with him annoying us I gave up myself.
>>
>> I wanted to open a ticket since it's a non-pvp server after all but
>> too bad it says training is not considered harassment
>
> Ofc, the advantage on playing on a PVP server is that you can ask one of
> your high lvl buddies to come gank his annoying ass xD


You can do that anywhere
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On Apr 30, 12:11 pm, "Xymmie" <xym... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> killing her *repeatedly* to prevent your completing the quest is still not
> reasonable on a PvE realm, from what I've read on the Customer Service forum.


That's definitely griefing and I would report it.
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:55:37 +0200, "Spider Pig"
<ThisIsNot.RemoveThis@ARealMailAddress.com> wrote:

>"Marcel" <marcel.RemoveThis@marcel.invalid> wrote in message
>news:acrg14t8cqgasg2pa5lhueqm3rtc3padfd@4ax.com...
>> Since I don't like pvp at all I choose to play on non-pvp servers.
>> However, lately I noticed more and more players like to ruin the
>> gameplay of others by tricking them into pvp and/or on purpose making
>> their quest fail.
>> Today I was trying to do the escort quest at Go'Shek farm in Arathi
>> Highlands but was forced to give up because of a tauren druid.
>> I was teamed up with a warrior I just met and each and every time when
>> we where halfway through the druid would pull the npc into loads of
>> orcs getting her and sometimes us killed.
>> I hoped he would give up after some time but after almost two hours
>> with him annoying us I gave up myself.
>>
>> I wanted to open a ticket since it's a non-pvp server after all but
>> too bad it says training is not considered harassment
>
>Ofc, the advantage on playing on a PVP server is that you can ask one of
>your high lvl buddies to come gank his annoying ass xD
>
You can do that on a pve server as well since he gets pvp flagged
anyway while attacking the npc.
However, it doesn't solve the problem in the end.
Like I said, I play on a pve server since I don't like to pvp and imho
it sucks that :
- you can 'force' people to enable pvp on a pve server
- you can 'force' someone to quest somewhere else
- you can 'force' someone to go offline just to escape a bully
On a pvp server it's all part of the game but on a pve server it
shouldn't be allowed.

Update :
After writing the first posting I decided to go kill some witherbark
trolls instead hoping to get rid of him.
However, he choose to follow me and attacked everything I
targetted/attacked while jumping and running around me all the time.
Besides that he enabled pvp forcing me to be really carefull while
attacking to make sure I didn't get pvp flagged by accident.
In the end I decided to go offline for a while
 >> Stay informed about: Training not considered physical harassment, too bad 

"Marcel" <marcel RemoveThis @marcel.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:55:37 +0200, "Spider Pig"
> <ThisIsNot RemoveThis @ARealMailAddress.com> wrote:
>
>>"Marcel" <marcel RemoveThis @marcel.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:acrg14t8cqgasg2pa5lhueqm3rtc3padfd@4ax.com...
>>> Since I don't like pvp at all I choose to play on non-pvp servers.
>>> However, lately I noticed more and more players like to ruin the
>>> gameplay of others by tricking them into pvp and/or on purpose making
>>> their quest fail.
>>> Today I was trying to do the escort quest at Go'Shek farm in Arathi
>>> Highlands but was forced to give up because of a tauren druid.
>>> I was teamed up with a warrior I just met and each and every time when
>>> we where halfway through the druid would pull the npc into loads of
>>> orcs getting her and sometimes us killed.
>>> I hoped he would give up after some time but after almost two hours
>>> with him annoying us I gave up myself.
>>>
>>> I wanted to open a ticket since it's a non-pvp server after all but
>>> too bad it says training is not considered harassment
>>
>>Ofc, the advantage on playing on a PVP server is that you can ask one of
>>your high lvl buddies to come gank his annoying ass xD
>>
> You can do that on a pve server as well since he gets pvp flagged
> anyway while attacking the npc.
> However, it doesn't solve the problem in the end.
> Like I said, I play on a pve server since I don't like to pvp and imho
> it sucks that :
> - you can 'force' people to enable pvp on a pve server
> - you can 'force' someone to quest somewhere else
> - you can 'force' someone to go offline just to escape a bully
> On a pvp server it's all part of the game but on a pve server it
> shouldn't be allowed.
>
> Update :
> After writing the first posting I decided to go kill some witherbark
> trolls instead hoping to get rid of him.
> However, he choose to follow me and attacked everything I
> targetted/attacked while jumping and running around me all the time.
> Besides that he enabled pvp forcing me to be really carefull while
> attacking to make sure I didn't get pvp flagged by accident.
> In the end I decided to go offline for a while

You know, I really think that someone purposely and repeatedly interfering
with your ability to finish a quest on a PvE server is a form of reportable
harassment. I think you should open a ticket. It's worth a try. This
isn't "training".

Xymmie
 >> Stay informed about: Training not considered physical harassment, too bad 

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:25:18 -0500, "Xymmie" <xymmie.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Marcel" <marcel.DeleteThis@marcel.invalid> wrote in message
>news:pi3h141o5j5diiom9fhqmnh8ne755kp80q@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:55:37 +0200, "Spider Pig"
>> <ThisIsNot.DeleteThis@ARealMailAddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Marcel" <marcel.DeleteThis@marcel.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:acrg14t8cqgasg2pa5lhueqm3rtc3padfd@4ax.com...
>>>> Since I don't like pvp at all I choose to play on non-pvp servers.
>>>> However, lately I noticed more and more players like to ruin the
>>>> gameplay of others by tricking them into pvp and/or on purpose making
>>>> their quest fail.
>>>> Today I was trying to do the escort quest at Go'Shek farm in Arathi
>>>> Highlands but was forced to give up because of a tauren druid.
>>>> I was teamed up with a warrior I just met and each and every time when
>>>> we where halfway through the druid would pull the npc into loads of
>>>> orcs getting her and sometimes us killed.
>>>> I hoped he would give up after some time but after almost two hours
>>>> with him annoying us I gave up myself.
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to open a ticket since it's a non-pvp server after all but
>>>> too bad it says training is not considered harassment
>>>
>>>Ofc, the advantage on playing on a PVP server is that you can ask one of
>>>your high lvl buddies to come gank his annoying ass xD
>>>
>> You can do that on a pve server as well since he gets pvp flagged
>> anyway while attacking the npc.
>> However, it doesn't solve the problem in the end.
>> Like I said, I play on a pve server since I don't like to pvp and imho
>> it sucks that :
>> - you can 'force' people to enable pvp on a pve server
>> - you can 'force' someone to quest somewhere else
>> - you can 'force' someone to go offline just to escape a bully
>> On a pvp server it's all part of the game but on a pve server it
>> shouldn't be allowed.
>>
>> Update :
>> After writing the first posting I decided to go kill some witherbark
>> trolls instead hoping to get rid of him.
>> However, he choose to follow me and attacked everything I
>> targetted/attacked while jumping and running around me all the time.
>> Besides that he enabled pvp forcing me to be really carefull while
>> attacking to make sure I didn't get pvp flagged by accident.
>> In the end I decided to go offline for a while
>
>You know, I really think that someone purposely and repeatedly interfering
>with your ability to finish a quest on a PvE server is a form of reportable
>harassment. I think you should open a ticket. It's worth a try. This
>isn't "training".
>
Some months ago I was thinking the same until my wife got tricked into
being pvp flagged on her warrior.
While fighting multiple mobs a horde appeared behind her, turned on
pvp and before I could call out a warning she did a thunderclap.
I tried to help her but another horde appeared and we got corpse
camped for like half an hour.
I made a ticket and the reply was something like this : "we don't
interfere into player versus player issues. Next time please ask
guildmembers to come and help"

From the website http://www.wow-europe.com/en/policy/harassmentp1.html
Physical harassment. We have taken great strides to ensure all
physical harassment (i.e. stealing resource nodes, kill stealing,
training) is addressed or being addressed by the development team.
Forms of physical harassment in the game will not be addressed by the
GM staff, but instead with a development resolution, if warranted.
This however does not include abusing game mechanics/exploiting to
cause another player grief or distress.

Ingame
The following are NOT considered physical harassment
"Training" (leading enemies to another player to force combat)

However, from the same website mentioned earlier
Ongoing harassment. Harassment takes many forms, and is not
necessarily limited to the type of language used, but the intent.
Repeatedly targeting a specific player with harassment, either
physical or verbal, can lead to more severe action. The idea behind
this is to prevent any one player from consistently being made
uncomfortable in the lands of Azeroth.

And another thing which doesn't make it easier in this case, the npc
involved in this quest is pvp flagged.
But I'll give it a go and see what they have to say about it.
 >> Stay informed about: Training not considered physical harassment, too bad 

"Marcel" <marcel.TakeThisOut@marcel.invalid> wrote in message
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>>
> Some months ago I was thinking the same until my wife got tricked into
> being pvp flagged on her warrior.
> While fighting multiple mobs a horde appeared behind her, turned on
> pvp and before I could call out a warning she did a thunderclap.
> I tried to help her but another horde appeared and we got corpse
> camped for like half an hour.
> I made a ticket and the reply was something like this : "we don't
> interfere into player versus player issues. Next time please ask
> guildmembers to come and help"

I don't think being tricked into PvP is the same thing as killing and NPC to
prevent someone from completing a quest, though. I think the only "tricked
into PvP" gimmick that was reportable was the hunter snake trap exploit, as
the snakes could attack an unflagged player. There may be other examples,
but that's the one I've read about.


>
> From the website http://www.wow-europe.com/en/policy/harassmentp1.html
> Physical harassment. We have taken great strides to ensure all
> physical harassment (i.e. stealing resource nodes, kill stealing,
> training) is addressed or being addressed by the development team.
> Forms of physical harassment in the game will not be addressed by the
> GM staff, but instead with a development resolution, if warranted.
> This however does not include abusing game mechanics/exploiting to
> cause another player grief or distress.
>
> Ingame
> The following are NOT considered physical harassment
> "Training" (leading enemies to another player to force combat)
>
> However, from the same website mentioned earlier
> Ongoing harassment. Harassment takes many forms, and is not
> necessarily limited to the type of language used, but the intent.
> Repeatedly targeting a specific player with harassment, either
> physical or verbal, can lead to more severe action. The idea behind
> this is to prevent any one player from consistently being made
> uncomfortable in the lands of Azeroth.
>
> And another thing which doesn't make it easier in this case, the npc
> involved in this quest is pvp flagged.
> But I'll give it a go and see what they have to say about it.

I doubt that the NPC being PvP will have anything to do with whether or not
this is harassment, though. Killing her would flag a Horde character, but
killing her *repeatedly* to prevent your completing the quest is still not
reasonable on a PvE realm, from what I've read on the Customer Service
forum.

Xymmie
 >> Stay informed about: Training not considered physical harassment, too bad 

"Marcel" <marcel.RemoveThis@marcel.invalid> wrote in message
news:0v8h14toifvidme52d23vuh5optn9k4jp9@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:25:18 -0500, "Xymmie" <xymmie.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Marcel" <marcel.RemoveThis@marcel.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:pi3h141o5j5diiom9fhqmnh8ne755kp80q@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:55:37 +0200, "Spider Pig"
>>> <ThisIsNot.RemoveThis@ARealMailAddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Marcel" <marcel.RemoveThis@marcel.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>news:acrg14t8cqgasg2pa5lhueqm3rtc3padfd@4ax.com...
>>>>> Since I don't like pvp at all I choose to play on non-pvp servers.
>>>>> However, lately I noticed more and more players like to ruin the
>>>>> gameplay of others by tricking them into pvp and/or on purpose making
>>>>> their quest fail.
>>>>> Today I was trying to do the escort quest at Go'Shek farm in Arathi
>>>>> Highlands but was forced to give up because of a tauren druid.
>>>>> I was teamed up with a warrior I just met and each and every time when
>>>>> we where halfway through the druid would pull the npc into loads of
>>>>> orcs getting her and sometimes us killed.
>>>>> I hoped he would give up after some time but after almost two hours
>>>>> with him annoying us I gave up myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to open a ticket since it's a non-pvp server after all but
>>>>> too bad it says training is not considered harassment
>>>>
>>>>Ofc, the advantage on playing on a PVP server is that you can ask one of
>>>>your high lvl buddies to come gank his annoying ass xD
>>>>
>>> You can do that on a pve server as well since he gets pvp flagged
>>> anyway while attacking the npc.
>>> However, it doesn't solve the problem in the end.
>>> Like I said, I play on a pve server since I don't like to pvp and imho
>>> it sucks that :
>>> - you can 'force' people to enable pvp on a pve server
>>> - you can 'force' someone to quest somewhere else
>>> - you can 'force' someone to go offline just to escape a bully
>>> On a pvp server it's all part of the game but on a pve server it
>>> shouldn't be allowed.
>>>
>>> Update :
>>> After writing the first posting I decided to go kill some witherbark
>>> trolls instead hoping to get rid of him.
>>> However, he choose to follow me and attacked everything I
>>> targetted/attacked while jumping and running around me all the time.
>>> Besides that he enabled pvp forcing me to be really carefull while
>>> attacking to make sure I didn't get pvp flagged by accident.
>>> In the end I decided to go offline for a while
>>
>>You know, I really think that someone purposely and repeatedly interfering
>>with your ability to finish a quest on a PvE server is a form of
>>reportable
>>harassment. I think you should open a ticket. It's worth a try. This
>>isn't "training".
>>
> Some months ago I was thinking the same until my wife got tricked into
> being pvp flagged on her warrior.

I really dont understand why it auto flags you for pvp.
Surely if you want to pvp, then make it require you to explicitly type
'pvp'.
Otherwise if you target an orange player, it does no damage and you stay
unflagged.

Is there some problem with this, or is Blizzard just stupid (or third option
they like people getting tricked... it would surprise me)
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"Vladesch" <dont RemoveThis @spam.me> wrote in message
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> "Marcel" <marcel RemoveThis @marcel.invalid> wrote in message

>> Some months ago I was thinking the same until my wife got tricked into
>> being pvp flagged on her warrior.
>
> I really dont understand why it auto flags you for pvp.
> Surely if you want to pvp, then make it require you to explicitly type
> 'pvp'.
> Otherwise if you target an orange player, it does no damage and you stay
> unflagged.
>
> Is there some problem with this, or is Blizzard just stupid (or third
> option they like people getting tricked... it would surprise me)

I'm sure it's operating exactly as designed.

Xymmie
 >> Stay informed about: Training not considered physical harassment, too bad 

if you get PvP flagged easiest way to get rid of it is to wait.. after you have died walk back to your body but do not ress.. instead,wait for that 5min and the flag goes away ..then you can ress. atleast you wont get corpse camped.

5 min is perfect time to get a snack
 >> Stay informed about: Training not considered physical harassment, too bad 

On Thu, 1 May 2008 06:54:41 +0930, "Vladesch" <dont RemoveThis @spam.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>You know, I really think that someone purposely and repeatedly interfering
>>>with your ability to finish a quest on a PvE server is a form of
>>>reportable
>>>harassment. I think you should open a ticket. It's worth a try. This
>>>isn't "training".
>>>
>> Some months ago I was thinking the same until my wife got tricked into
>> being pvp flagged on her warrior.
>
>I really dont understand why it auto flags you for pvp.
>Surely if you want to pvp, then make it require you to explicitly type
>'pvp'.
>Otherwise if you target an orange player, it does no damage and you stay
>unflagged.
>
Like I said, the horde stood behind her and turned on pvp.
To get pvp flagged you need to turn it on by typing /pvp or by
attacking someone who's pvp flagged.
By doing a thunderclap she 'attacked' the horde character, got pvp
flagged and killed some seconds later.

>Is there some problem with this, or is Blizzard just stupid (or third option
>they like people getting tricked... it would surprise me)
>
It's probably working as intended but the problem is you need to be
realy carefull when a pvp flagged person comes close to you while your
attacking one or multiple mobs.
Every attack which has an area effect makes you pvp flagged whether
you like/want it or not.
 >> Stay informed about: Training not considered physical harassment, too bad 

In <rfmi14pvsr872o3nl95grs4bs3mh9ippuu.DeleteThis@4ax.com> Marcel <marcel.DeleteThis@marcel.invalid> writes:

> By doing a thunderclap she 'attacked' the horde character, got pvp
> flagged and killed some seconds later.

As far as I know, AOE attacks like Thunderclap won't flag you for pvp.

But the PVP-flagged enemy can stand on top of something that you want
to right-click, such as a mailbox or a monster corpse, and if you're
not careful you'll right-click on the enemy instead, flagging yourself
for PVP.

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 >> Stay informed about: Training not considered physical harassment, too bad 

On Thu, 01 May 2008 07:54:38 +0200, Marcel <marcel.RemoveThis@marcel.invalid>
wrote:

>On Thu, 1 May 2008 06:54:41 +0930, "Vladesch" <dont.RemoveThis@spam.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>You know, I really think that someone purposely and repeatedly interfering
>>>>with your ability to finish a quest on a PvE server is a form of
>>>>reportable
>>>>harassment. I think you should open a ticket. It's worth a try. This
>>>>isn't "training".
>>>>
>>> Some months ago I was thinking the same until my wife got tricked into
>>> being pvp flagged on her warrior.
>>
>>I really dont understand why it auto flags you for pvp.
>>Surely if you want to pvp, then make it require you to explicitly type
>>'pvp'.
>>Otherwise if you target an orange player, it does no damage and you stay
>>unflagged.
>>
>Like I said, the horde stood behind her and turned on pvp.
>To get pvp flagged you need to turn it on by typing /pvp or by
>attacking someone who's pvp flagged.
>By doing a thunderclap she 'attacked' the horde character, got pvp
>flagged and killed some seconds later.

I thought they'd changed it so AoE doesn't flag you?

Rgds, Frank
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On Thu, 1 May 2008 06:27:06 +0000 (UTC), John Gordon
<gordon DeleteThis @panix.com> wrote:

>In <rfmi14pvsr872o3nl95grs4bs3mh9ippuu DeleteThis @4ax.com> Marcel <marcel DeleteThis @marcel.invalid> writes:
>
>> By doing a thunderclap she 'attacked' the horde character, got pvp
>> flagged and killed some seconds later.
>
>As far as I know, AOE attacks like Thunderclap won't flag you for pvp.
>
I thought the same as well and can find information which confirms
this on several sites.
Still it actually did enable pvp, ,maybe thunderclap isn't seen as aoe
or something like that ?
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