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(Msg. 76) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:48 am
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On Mar 3, 9:42 am, gerryq <ger....DeleteThis@indigo.ie> wrote:
> Me: "Excuse me, I'm looking for the local pub. Someone said it was
> nearby."
>
> Mr. Helpful Not: "It's at TL582473"
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> Me: "I'm afraid I don't habitually carry an Ordnance Survey Map of
> everywhere I go. I find it interferes with my enjoyment of the
> scenery. Could you please give me directions in English instead?"
>
> Mr. Helpful Not: "Noob. Plonk."
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> Me: <to self> "No loss, I suppose."
The proliferation of GPS devices in this day and age suggests that
people do indeed find a numerical reference to locations quite handy.
It's a matter of your goal: do you want to enjoy scenery or do you
want to locate something? If you want to locate something then I'm
more than happy to give you a quick, easy to follow way to find it.
If you're "enjoying the scenery" then, sorry, not with my time. Find
another schmuck who has time to let you search your soul for the
deeper meaning of life while you find the local McDonalds.
As an aside, being a private pilot, even those pilots who love scenery
still talk in terms of coordinates and which sectional chart a
particular airport is located on. If I asked for the location of 50J
and someone told me to "it's off the Charleston coast by that big lake
- can't miss it" I'd back away very slowly.
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(Msg. 77) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:45 am
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:14:02 -0800 (PST), "mbgaski@gmail.com"
<mbgaski.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>Similarly annoying:
>
>Noob: Where is the Temple of Awesomeness?
>Me: 45,23
>Noob: I don't have the coordinates thing. Can you show me?
>Me: /ignore Noob
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>If you're going to ask for directions to a specific location in a
>zone, at least have the coordinates mods :S.
Oh that *so* annoys me..
Me: it's at x,y
n00b: I don't have coords
Me: <links to wowi, curse etc for cartographer, atlas etc>
n00b: I don't use addons
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(Msg. 78) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:50 am
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:54:30 -0800 (PST), "mbgaski@gmail.com"
<mbgaski RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>There's pretty much no way to "cheat" using LUA. Blizzard defines
>very strictly what can and can't be done (afterall they CREATED the
>WoW subset of the language specifically for user addons). Anything
>that can be done within a LUA script addon is not considered cheating,
>and if it is, Blizzard patches it out of existence.
Absolutely.
If addons were cheats, they wouldn't be allowed. They are, so ergo,
it's not cheating.
There are script calls you can put in a Macro for showing your
location. It's built into the game.. All the addons do is call the
game engine functions.
Addons are Blizzards way of surveying what people would like to see in
their UI. If an addon becomes almost a standard part of everyone's (or
a vast majority's) UI, then they add it to the game (like Scrolling
Combat Text, fast quest text, showing helm and cloak or not. None of
these were in the original game)
I've no objection at all if people don't want to run addons, but if
they ask for help I'll assume a basic facility. >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 79) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:40 pm
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Barry Freeman wrote:
> mbgaski DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
>> If you're going to ask for directions to a specific location in a
>> zone, at least have the coordinates mods :S.
>
> Oh that *so* annoys me..
> Me: it's at x,y
> n00b: I don't have coords
> Me: <links to wowi, curse etc for cartographer, atlas etc>
> n00b: I don't use addons
> Me: plonk
It is also semi-annoying when people constantly ask for timers for
the different objectives in Alterac Valley, resulting in a flood
of reports when 5+ people link them in /bg chat.
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Lilitu: lvl 35 Undead Rogue (7/0/19) @ Karazhan EU (PvP) >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 80) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:32 pm
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 06:42:36 -0800 (PST), gerryq <gerryq.RemoveThis@indigo.ie>
wrote:
>Me: "Excuse me, I'm looking for the local pub. Someone said it was
>nearby."
>
>Mr. Helpful Not: "It's at TL582473"
>
>Me: "I'm afraid I don't habitually carry an Ordnance Survey Map of
>everywhere I go. I find it interferes with my enjoyment of the
>scenery. Could you please give me directions in English instead?"
>
>Mr. Helpful Not: "Noob. Plonk."
Oh dear... ok, for the hard of thinking.
You: I'm looking for a pub.
Me: Sure, go down this road half a mile, turn left. it's on the
corner.
You don't need coordinares in real life for near things, because you
can see everything around you.
However, if you were to ask me me where is the best pub in Khazakstan,
I'd almost certainly NOT try to give you directions like I would to a
nearby pub. I'd probably give you the map coords. If you find it hard
to read a map, then i'd suggest you probably should stick to local
pubs. >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 81) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:16 pm
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what's top posting?
twk wrote:
> It's been mentioned a few times but ignored or possibly not understood.
>
> Please do not "top post". That is, when you reply to a message, you need
> to add your thoughts or comments to the end, or the bottom of the
> message.
>
> This keeps the flow of the previous messages in the proper order. A new
> comer to the thread will see all the messages as they were posted in
> time, and the entire message will make the most sense that way.
>
> If a posting gets too long you can delete what you think is verbose,
> unnecessary, or simply old, by adding an indication that you edited
> someone else's post something like this...
>
> - - Snip - -
>
> And make your comment below that.
>
> In the case where many different points are made, you can put your
> comments just after each comment made previously... Hum, yeah, that's
> not very clear, but I'm getting tired. Someone help me out.
>
> So:
>
> Respond to personal email, top post.
> Respond to a public news group, bottom post.
>
> There is a difference. Thank you.
>
> --
> Hypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist.
> Darkfury, Gnome, Rogue, Miner/Jewel Crafter.
> Py, Dwarf, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
> Bigpotpie, Tauren, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
> Bigpotpie, Tauren, Druid, Herbalist/Alchemist (Nathrezim realm).
>
> Not the deadliest bunch on Cenarion Circle, but they do well. >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 82) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:10 pm
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:37:16 -0800, Gumby619 wrote:
> Established convention....To the Nazi's that was exterminating a whole
> race. Established convention doesn't mean something is right or wrong. I
> usually bottom post but occasionally I post in the middle to address
> certain points and sometimes I top post because I'm lazy or tired and
> didn't think before I hit send. People will do whatever they want on the
> internet and there are no rules. Common sourtesy is an unknown to a lot
> of people who can post whatever they want and have no repercussions
> other than to get on a killfile list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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(Msg. 83) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:13 pm
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:10:56 -0700, David Casey wrote:
>> Established convention....To the Nazi's that was exterminating a whole
>> race. Established convention doesn't mean something is right or wrong.
>> I usually bottom post but occasionally I post in the middle to address
>> certain points and sometimes I top post because I'm lazy or tired and
>> didn't think before I hit send. People will do whatever they want on
>> the internet and there are no rules. Common sourtesy is an unknown to a
>> lot of people who can post whatever they want and have no repercussions
>> other than to get on a killfile list.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
/me makes note to read farther into the thread next time to avoid posting
something that others already did
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(Msg. 84) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:17 pm
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:15:55 -0600, Xymmie wrote:
> That's been the rude awakening for me at L70. I'm going to have to group
> for some of the quests that suggest a group. I can't wait it out for a
> couple more levels. I guess I'll be getting to know some of the players
> on my server a bit better.
I usually will give a quest a shot to see if I might be able to solo it.
If not I'll ask in /1 a few times to see if anyone else needs to do it. If
that fails then I'll usually just hold onto it until some guildies need it
or I finally get an answer in /1.
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(Msg. 85) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:41 pm
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I forgot now. I'm all confused.
In article
<9f9a1e48-35fc-4f20-a1ee-c230dd15a588.RemoveThis@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
the warlock society <shane.RemoveThis@tlfst.com> wrote:
> what's top posting?
>
> twk wrote:
> > It's been mentioned a few times but ignored or possibly not understood.
> >
> > Please do not "top post". That is, when you reply to a message, you need
> > to add your thoughts or comments to the end, or the bottom of the
> > message.
> >
> > This keeps the flow of the previous messages in the proper order. A new
> > comer to the thread will see all the messages as they were posted in
> > time, and the entire message will make the most sense that way.
> >
> > If a posting gets too long you can delete what you think is verbose,
> > unnecessary, or simply old, by adding an indication that you edited
> > someone else's post something like this...
> >
> > - - Snip - -
> >
> > And make your comment below that.
> >
> > In the case where many different points are made, you can put your
> > comments just after each comment made previously... Hum, yeah, that's
> > not very clear, but I'm getting tired. Someone help me out.
> >
> > So:
> >
> > Respond to personal email, top post.
> > Respond to a public news group, bottom post.
> >
> > There is a difference. Thank you.
> >
> > --
> > Hypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist.
> > Darkfury, Gnome, Rogue, Miner/Jewel Crafter.
> > Py, Dwarf, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
> > Bigpotpie, Tauren, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
> > Bigpotpie, Tauren, Druid, Herbalist/Alchemist (Nathrezim realm).
> >
> > Not the deadliest bunch on Cenarion Circle, but they do well.
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Hypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist.
Darkfury, Gnome, Rogue, Miner/Jewel Crafter.
Py, Dwarf, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
Bigpotpie, Tauren, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist. >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 86) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:02 pm
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In article <twk-B245A5.09425128022008 RemoveThis @johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu>,
twk RemoveThis @sleepless.knights.com says...
> It's been mentioned a few times but ignored or possibly not understood.
>
> Please do not "top post". That is, when you reply to a message, you need
> to add your thoughts or comments to the end, or the bottom of the
> message.
I don't think its not understanding, its not caring. In the olden days
it work, then the floodgates opened and the dross came pouring in.
Unless the change the laws so we can kill those kind of people i fear
its not going to change. >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 87) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:03 pm
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In article <5654b707-4b1d-4fe5-a65d-
62641fc435ee RemoveThis @u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, mbgaski RemoveThis @gmail.com says...
> As someone who *usually* bottom posts (but am top posting here just
> because): NO.
>
> The author of any post is taking his or her time out to write it.
> They are contributing to the discussion.
No. Not when they top post, then they are just noisemakers. >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 88) Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:06 am
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On Mar 3, 3:32 pm, Barry Freeman <b....TakeThisOut@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 06:42:36 -0800 (PST), gerryq <ger....TakeThisOut@indigo.ie>
> wrote:
>
> >Me: "Excuse me, I'm looking for the local pub. Someone said it was
> >nearby."
>
> >Mr. Helpful Not: "It's at TL582473"
>
> >Me: "I'm afraid I don't habitually carry an Ordnance Survey Map of
> >everywhere I go. I find it interferes with my enjoyment of the
> >scenery. Could you please give me directions in English instead?"
>
> >Mr. Helpful Not: "Noob. Plonk."
>
> Oh dear... ok, for the hard of thinking.
>
> You: I'm looking for a pub.
> Me: Sure, go down this road half a mile, turn left. it's on the
> corner.
>
> You don't need coordinares in real life for near things, because you
> can see everything around you.
And a typical zone in WoW is only a couple of miles wide at maximum.
Go down this road about half a mile - you'll see an ogre encampment,
and the cave is in the hills to the south of it.
> However, if you were to ask me me where is the best pub in Khazakstan,
> I'd almost certainly NOT try to give you directions like I would to a
> nearby pub. I'd probably give you the map coords. If you find it hard
> to read a map, then i'd suggest you probably should stick to local
> pubs.
If I were familiar with a particular town in Kazakstan (and if I were
asking in WoW for a location in it's zone, you might expect me to be)
you could give me directions in the normal way.
Very few people in WoW are asking directions to an arbitrary spot in
the middle of a continent they've never been to.
Indeed, they are mostly interested in "how do I get to X" rather than
"where is X".
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(Msg. 89) Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:36 am
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"gerryq" <gerryq DeleteThis @indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:e51e05d9-5a52-48e5-a33b-d98256151c2c@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Very few people in WoW are asking directions to an arbitrary spot in
the middle of a continent they've never been to.
Indeed, they are mostly interested in "how do I get to X" rather than
"where is X".
- - - - -
Not on my server. In Azeroth, where the quest directions will usually say
"go to X SE of Y", they still ask where stuff is, even if they're standing
right in the middle of Y.
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(Msg. 90) Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:35 pm
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:06:01 -0800 (PST), gerryq <gerryq DeleteThis @indigo.ie>
wrote:
>Indeed, they are mostly interested in "how do I get to X" rather than
>"where is X".
Actually, the queries I usually see go like this:
1..group request.
2..[some one] plz were is thunderblf >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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