Top posting to any news group

On Feb 28, 8:44 pm, "L" <lisaanne_quiltshatess....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Old folks (like me) tend to bottom post. But newer users tend to top-post.

"Bottom posting" is a misnomer for the correct style of posting.

As for new users, naturally they are often ignorant of usenet
etiquette, but most are quick to learn and understand it.

> Netiquette 'rules' are simply procedures that the majority used.
>
> There is a new majority.

What percentage is this alleged majority?

Or is that just a half-witted assertion with no foundation on your
part?

- Gerry Quinn
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Gumby619 <Gumby619.DeleteThis@cox.net> declared in:
9ALxj.23452$H05.13436@newsfe06.phx :
> "Daniel Seriff" <m.DeleteThis@y.com> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.C3ECD61B03039A5EF0182668@news-server.austin.rr.com...
>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:37:16 -0600, Gumby619 wrote
>> (in article <7rIxj.14815$kp6.9185@newsfe07.phx>):
>>
>>> Established convention....To the Nazi's that was exterminating a
>>> whole race.
>>
>> Sure, because if there's anything that's an exact analogy of
>> bottom-posting,
>> it's definitely genocide.
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Seriff
>>
>> You have all been handling my ass-pennies!
>>
> Thats all you got out of that whole paragraph...must be one of the
> persecuted

There's another "old convention" on usenet that specifically refers
to nazi analogies...

And when you hit on such a heavy topic, anything else you may have
brought up in your post becomes irrelevant in comparison.
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"Thomas Hejl Pilgaard" <pilgaard.TakeThisOut@tele2adsl.dk.dk> wrote in message
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> Gumby619 <Gumby619.TakeThisOut@cox.net> declared in:
> 9ALxj.23452$H05.13436@newsfe06.phx :
>> "Daniel Seriff" <m.TakeThisOut@y.com> wrote in message
>> news:0001HW.C3ECD61B03039A5EF0182668@news-server.austin.rr.com...
>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:37:16 -0600, Gumby619 wrote
>>> (in article <7rIxj.14815$kp6.9185@newsfe07.phx>):
>>>
>>>> Established convention....To the Nazi's that was exterminating a
>>>> whole race.
>>>
>>> Sure, because if there's anything that's an exact analogy of
>>> bottom-posting,
>>> it's definitely genocide.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Seriff
>>>
>>> You have all been handling my ass-pennies!
>>>
>> Thats all you got out of that whole paragraph...must be one of the
>> persecuted
>
> There's another "old convention" on usenet that specifically refers
> to nazi analogies...
>
> And when you hit on such a heavy topic, anything else you may have
> brought up in your post becomes irrelevant in comparison.
>
hmmm, never heard that one, my apologies to anyone offended

Gumby619
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"Gumby619" <Gumby619.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote in news:lXMxj.14933$kp6.10285
@newsfe07.phx:

>> There's another "old convention" on usenet that specifically refers
>> to nazi analogies...
>>
>> And when you hit on such a heavy topic, anything else you may have
>> brought up in your post becomes irrelevant in comparison.
>>
> hmmm, never heard that one, my apologies to anyone offended

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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On 29 Feb, 08:45, Ashen Shugar <deathsab....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Feb 29, 2:40 pm, b....TakeThisOut@mindstorm-inc.com (Burt Johnson) wrote:
>
> > Actually I disagree.  I find it better to top post.  I have already read
> > the prior post, or can go back to it easily with one keystoke if I wish
> > to.
>
> Unless you're off somewhere and have to use Google Groups.  Then you
> have next to no context to what a top-poster is talking about until
> you scroll down and read what they hopefully quoted.
> Google groups used to default to a nice page with something like a
> thread pane, but that's either gone or hidden in some arcane setting
> somewhere now. : /

Click on the Options link in the subject bar at the top. You now have
the option to select "View as tree" or "Standard view" along with
"Proportional text" or "Fixed text".

Also, once you have set that, do not use the back button to go back to
the group as that will undo your changes.

steve.kaye
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"ScratchMonkey" <ScratchMonkey.blacklist.RemoveThis@sewingwitch.com> wrote in message
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>
> It's kind of like those people in Trade channel that are "looking for high
> level enchanter". Good luck with that. The high level enchanters I know
> won't respond unless you know what you actually want, in some detail.

Or in gen chat "need help with a quest".

Bah.

Xymmie
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On Feb 28, 10:05 am, Palindrome <damon-no....DeleteThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:46:01 -0800 (PST), "djarvi...@gmail.com"
>
> <djarvi....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I prefer to bottom post but there is a problem in one of my web email
> >readers where it is almost impossible to bottom post and make the
> >message legible as the browser seems unable to separate 'added text'
> >from the original text when bottom posting.  You have to manually edit
> >(separators, '>' characters, etc) to make any sense of it at all, and
> >even then it can look confusing.
>
> >So I top post when respond using that email browser because it is
> >clearer that way.
>
> >Sure, change email browses, yada-yada-yada... but sometimes that ain't
> >so easy or convenient.
>
> You mean it requires a near-superhuman effort on your part to change
> to something that actually works better?

No, it requires changing ISPs and I've still got one year left of my
current crummy contract.
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<mbgaski DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> As someone who *usually* bottom posts (but am top posting here just
> because): NO.
>
> The author of any post is taking his or her time out to write it.
> They are contributing to the discussion. They ought to have the right
> to post in whatever manner best suits them. If it bothers you that
> much, then don't read it, but I'll not live by a self-appointed post
> format police's rules.
>
> Mike


A: Top posting
Q: What's the most annoying thing in Usenet?

--
Doc
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Doc <the.doc.is.in.RemoveThis@REMOVETHISgmail.com> wrote:
>
> A: Top posting
> Q: What's the most annoying thing in Usenet?

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

--
Zil, Level 70 NE Priest, Aman Shan're, Stormrage Europe
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On Feb 28, 11:08 pm, ScratchMonkey
> Pray tell: What brain-dead software is this, so we can all avoid it?

ipowerweb

The client I use at home (Mozilla Thunderbird) is fine. It's the host
that is questionable.

At work, because of various spam filters and Outlook Express problems
with multiple accounts, I use their web based email system. I also
use IE7 at work.

I haven't messed with the settings with their browser or with IE7, I
just use the defaults.

Some of the stuff that happens with their web browser:

-can't display really complex characters like quotations (") and (')
accents... <_< You would get stuff like "RichardR74-s"

-images often jumpled with text: http://www.firish.com/snip1.jpg

-'default' is that cursor is at top of message when you 'reply'; note
that message sent does not use standard characters like '<' to
indicate sent message but a faint vertical bar: http://www.firish.com/snip2.jpg

- if you try to add message at end of text, you cannot separate it
from the body of the text that his delineated with the vertical bar;
it becomes part of the vertical message. If you want to 'bottom
post', you have to copy and paste portions of the message you want to
the top, add the '<' in front of the lines, and then add your reply
after that.

- tech support sequence:
1. Wait for chat person for 45 minutes
2. Take 10 minutes to validate your account. Again.
3. Try to explain problem but end up answering meaningless questions
instead.
4. Blame the browser: "I guess, you are experiencing the browser
issue." and "I would also suggest you to check the e-mail using the
different computer which you are not using."
5. Fill out Customer Dissatisfaction Report

- downtime: at least once every two weeks, my mail server cannot be
accessed

- more tech support: mail sent out never arrives at destination. No
bounce back, no error message. Nothing. Granted, this 'could' be some
other ISP swallowing it. So I asked them if they could trace a
message to the non-receiving addresses. They said they were able to
send and receive email. I ask 'Did you send it to the email address I
was having the problem with?" Ten (!) minutes later: "I'm sorry, in
order to assist you, I am going to have to ask a member of our team
who specializes in this issue to take care of this for you." And
guess what... when I got an email later from them, they said they were
able to send and receive email.

Of course, that is only my experience. Your Mileage May Vary.
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On Feb 29, 9:21 am, "Xymmie" <xym... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> <djarvi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bfd83b6e-bd82-4fc9-bf4a-6a0d7e09317d@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> --snip of posting frustrations--
>
> >Of course, that is only my experience.  Your Mileage May Vary.
>
> I use news.individual.net as my news server everywhere, including work, too,
> as I can set up my account on Outlook Newsreader even though the company
> uses Microsoft Outlook.  The server is about $10-12 per year, and is
> great -- works with lots of newsreaders.
>
> I recommend it highly.  One account no matter where you are -- if you can
> set up Thunderbird, OE, XNews, or other newsreader.

Yeh, that sounds good, thanks.

Unfortunately this thread had drifted off-topic a bit, and I really ws
referrering only to email messages (where top-posting/bottom-posting
is also an issue).

But your advice on the newsreader looks good, thanks again.
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Similarly annoying:

Noob: Where is the Temple of Awesomeness?
Me: 45,23
Noob: I don't have the coordinates thing. Can you show me?
Me: /ignore Noob

If you're going to ask for directions to a specific location in a
zone, at least have the coordinates mods :S.

Mike
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On Feb 29, 12:21 pm, "Xymmie" <xym....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> I use news.individual.net as my news server everywhere, including work, too,
> as I can set up my account on Outlook Newsreader even though the company
> uses Microsoft Outlook. The server is about $10-12 per year, and is
> great -- works with lots of newsreaders.
>
> I recommend it highly. One account no matter where you are -- if you can
> set up Thunderbird, OE, XNews, or other newsreader.
>
> Xymmie

I use Astraweb when at home, but I (and I'd assume many) can't use a
real newsreader here at work because all access is delegated through a
proxy server. Essentially, all we have is web connections to the
outside Internet.

Mike
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