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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:20 pm
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:45:14 -0800 (PST), "mbgaski@gmail.com"
<mbgaski RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>As someone who *usually* bottom posts (but am top posting here just
>because): NO.
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>The author of any post is taking his or her time out to write it.
>They are contributing to the discussion. They ought to have the right
>to post in whatever manner best suits them. If it bothers you that
>much, then don't read it, but I'll not live by a self-appointed post
>format police's rules.
>
>Mike
Mike, it is handy for the visually impaired, like a distant family
member who has to use text to speech software. It is FAR easier for
someone like him to follow a post if he gets a neatly snipped post
laid out with the reply following the original post. Try to think of
others less fortunate, please.
That, and people will just killfile you. Bottom posting can also be
thought of as a polite convention the majority of people stick to,
rather like not using all caps in a post.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:03 pm
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:28:30 -0800 (PST), "mbgaski@gmail.com"
<mbgaski DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> like most people, they likely have already gone through the
>previous post that the reply was to...
I hear that line *so* many times whenever the subject of top posting
crops up, and you are so wrong. You've never joined a post after it
has started? Your ISP never drops some posts (god, I know Tiscali
does, and they won't be alone)? You've never seen a reply from
someone else to a post by someone you've killfiled? I sure have. My
family member sure has, and thus I know that top posting really pisses
him off. He hates posts with mountains of quoted text, too, by the
way, but that's another story.
So, there's a good reason to NOT top post - it makes visually impaired
people's lives that bit easier, which is a nice thing, yes? Your
reason just sounds like "I do it because I want to so get used to it
and get lost" when it would take so little effort to bottom post. You
don't post in all caps, which is a polite convention - is one more
convention going to kill you or ruin your day?
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:05 pm
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:46:01 -0800 (PST), "djarvinen@gmail.com"
<djarvinen RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>I prefer to bottom post but there is a problem in one of my web email
>readers where it is almost impossible to bottom post and make the
>message legible as the browser seems unable to separate 'added text'
>from the original text when bottom posting. You have to manually edit
>(separators, '>' characters, etc) to make any sense of it at all, and
>even then it can look confusing.
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>So I top post when respond using that email browser because it is
>clearer that way.
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>Sure, change email browses, yada-yada-yada... but sometimes that ain't
>so easy or convenient.
You mean it requires a near-superhuman effort on your part to change
to something that actually works better?
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:05 pm
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"Palindrome" <damon-nomad.TakeThisOut@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kstds3trvk5le3iqf0radl0u1ts6men1tu@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:46:01 -0800 (PST), "djarvinen@gmail.com"
> <djarvinen.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I prefer to bottom post but there is a problem in one of my web email
>>readers where it is almost impossible to bottom post and make the
>>message legible as the browser seems unable to separate 'added text'
>>from the original text when bottom posting. You have to manually edit
>>(separators, '>' characters, etc) to make any sense of it at all, and
>>even then it can look confusing.
>>
>>So I top post when respond using that email browser because it is
>>clearer that way.
>>
>>Sure, change email browses, yada-yada-yada... but sometimes that ain't
>>so easy or convenient.
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> You mean it requires a near-superhuman effort on your part to change
> to something that actually works better?
>
>
"Better" is in the eye of the beholder.
Old folks (like me) tend to bottom post. But newer users tend to top-post.
Netiquette 'rules' are simply procedures that the majority used.
There is a new majority.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:49 pm
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"L" <lisaanne_quiltshatesspam RemoveThis @hotmail.com> writes:
>"Better" is in the eye of the beholder.
No it isn't.
>Old folks (like me) tend to bottom post. But newer users tend to top-post.
Quoting the entire thread and adding a few lines is as bad as top posting.
>Netiquette 'rules' are simply procedures that the majority used.
>There is a new majority.
Um, no there isn't. The conventions of this group have been established a
long time ago - we are pretty much all proper quoters here.
>http://alpage.ath.cx/toppost/toppost.htm
Screw em. *
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* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:49 pm
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Damn
"PV" <pv+usenet@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:13seb41uaijo0c@news.supernews.com...
> "L" <lisaanne_quiltshatesspam.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> writes:
>>"Better" is in the eye of the beholder.
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> No it isn't.
you
>
>>Old folks (like me) tend to bottom post. But newer users tend to top-post.
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> Quoting the entire thread and adding a few lines is as bad as top posting.
>
>>Netiquette 'rules' are simply procedures that the majority used.
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>>There is a new majority.
Still
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> Um, no there isn't. The conventions of this group have been established a
> long time ago - we are pretty much all proper quoters here.
>
Haven't
>>http://alpage.ath.cx/toppost/toppost.htm
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> Screw em. *
Got
> --
> * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
> like corkscrews.
That Valium yet...
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:49 pm
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In article <XBGxj.10880$kp6.4103@newsfe07.phx>,
"Gumby619" <Gumby619.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
> Damn
> "PV" <pv+usenet@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:13seb41uaijo0c@news.supernews.com...
> > "L" <lisaanne_quiltshatesspam.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> writes:
> >>"Better" is in the eye of the beholder.
> >
> > No it isn't.
>
> you
> >
> >>Old folks (like me) tend to bottom post. But newer users tend to top-post.
> >
> > Quoting the entire thread and adding a few lines is as bad as top posting.
> >
> >>Netiquette 'rules' are simply procedures that the majority used.
> >
> >>There is a new majority.
> Still
> >
> > Um, no there isn't. The conventions of this group have been established a
> > long time ago - we are pretty much all proper quoters here.
> >
> Haven't
> >>http://alpage.ath.cx/toppost/toppost.htm
> >
> > Screw em. *
>
> Got
> > --
> > * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
> > like corkscrews.
> That Valium yet...
>
>
> Gumby619
I really hit a nerve here. It seems ego is what matters most. Ease of
reading isn't the point, "my way or screw you" is. I'll do whatever i
want whenever I want. Polite is out. <sigh>
Oh well, it was just a suggestion to follow past established convention.
A single link to a single argument against overrides all.
Yes, most of us are bottom posters, the newer of us are sometimes top
posters.
Never mind.
--
Hypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist.
Darkfury, Gnome, Rogue, Miner/Jewel Crafter.
Py, Dwarf, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
Bigpotpie, Tauren, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
Bigpotpie, Tauren, Druid, Herbalist/Alchemist (Nathrezim realm).
Not the deadliest bunch on Cenarion Circle, but they do well. >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:49 pm
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"twk" <twk.DeleteThis@sleepless.knights.com> wrote in message
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> In article <XBGxj.10880$kp6.4103@newsfe07.phx>,
> "Gumby619" <Gumby619.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
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>> Damn
>> "PV" <pv+usenet@pobox.com> wrote in message
>> news:13seb41uaijo0c@news.supernews.com...
>> > "L" <lisaanne_quiltshatesspam.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> writes:
>> >>"Better" is in the eye of the beholder.
>> >
>> > No it isn't.
>>
>> you
>> >
>> >>Old folks (like me) tend to bottom post. But newer users tend to
>> >>top-post.
>> >
>> > Quoting the entire thread and adding a few lines is as bad as top
>> > posting.
>> >
>> >>Netiquette 'rules' are simply procedures that the majority used.
>> >
>> >>There is a new majority.
>> Still
>> >
>> > Um, no there isn't. The conventions of this group have been established
>> > a
>> > long time ago - we are pretty much all proper quoters here.
>> >
>> Haven't
>> >>http://alpage.ath.cx/toppost/toppost.htm
>> >
>> > Screw em. *
>>
>> Got
>> > --
>> > * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
>> > like corkscrews.
>> That Valium yet...
>>
>>
>> Gumby619
>
> I really hit a nerve here. It seems ego is what matters most. Ease of
> reading isn't the point, "my way or screw you" is. I'll do whatever i
> want whenever I want. Polite is out. <sigh>
>
> Oh well, it was just a suggestion to follow past established convention.
> A single link to a single argument against overrides all.
>
> Yes, most of us are bottom posters, the newer of us are sometimes top
> posters.
>
> Never mind.
>
> --
> Hypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist.
> Darkfury, Gnome, Rogue, Miner/Jewel Crafter.
> Py, Dwarf, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
> Bigpotpie, Tauren, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
> Bigpotpie, Tauren, Druid, Herbalist/Alchemist (Nathrezim realm).
>
> Not the deadliest bunch on Cenarion Circle, but they do well.
Established convention....To the Nazi's that was exterminating a whole race.
Established convention doesn't mean something is right or wrong. I usually
bottom post but occasionally I post in the middle to address certain points
and sometimes I top post because I'm lazy or tired and didn't think before I
hit send. People will do whatever they want on the internet and there are no
rules. Common sourtesy is an unknown to a lot of people who can post
whatever they want and have no repercussions other than to get on a killfile
list.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:49 pm
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:37:16 -0600, Gumby619 wrote
(in article <7rIxj.14815$kp6.9185@newsfe07.phx>):
> Established convention....To the Nazi's that was exterminating a whole race.
Sure, because if there's anything that's an exact analogy of bottom-posting,
it's definitely genocide.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:49 pm
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"Daniel Seriff" <m.RemoveThis@y.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:37:16 -0600, Gumby619 wrote
> (in article <7rIxj.14815$kp6.9185@newsfe07.phx>):
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>> Established convention....To the Nazi's that was exterminating a whole
>> race.
>
> Sure, because if there's anything that's an exact analogy of
> bottom-posting,
> it's definitely genocide.
>
> --
> Daniel Seriff
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> You have all been handling my ass-pennies!
>
Thats all you got out of that whole paragraph...must be one of the
persecuted
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:55 pm
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On 29 Feb, 07:18, ScratchMonkey
<ScratchMonkey.blackl... RemoveThis @sewingwitch.com> wrote:
> "Xymmie" <xym... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote innews:62o8afF23cji4U1@mid.individual.net:
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> > Well, but there are, though. Just because people aren't aware of
> > them, or choose to disregard them doesn't mean discussion group
> > netiquette rules aren't there.
>
> The ultimate law is that of the reader. Good newsreaders make it easy to
> filter out rude people and their ill-formatted posts.
I really wish that Google Groups would implement killfiles.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:45 am
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On Feb 29, 2:40 pm, b....RemoveThis@mindstorm-inc.com (Burt Johnson) wrote:
> Actually I disagree. I find it better to top post. I have already read
> the prior post, or can go back to it easily with one keystoke if I wish
> to.
Unless you're off somewhere and have to use Google Groups. Then you
have next to no context to what a top-poster is talking about until
you scroll down and read what they hopefully quoted.
Google groups used to default to a nice page with something like a
thread pane, but that's either gone or hidden in some arcane setting
somewhere now. : /
> I find it extremely annoying when people bottom post on long messages
> they are too lazy to snip. I scroll down past pages and pages of quoted
> stuff i already know about, and then see a one line "I agree" message.
>
> AAArrrggghhh!
Yeah, AOL'ing is AOL'ing. ; )
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:08 am
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"djarvinen@gmail.com" <djarvinen.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in news:df9d0098-becf-
4389-bc1a-11365f44be5d.DeleteThis@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> I prefer to bottom post but there is a problem in one of my web email
> readers where it is almost impossible to bottom post and make the
> message legible
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:12 am
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pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) wrote in
news:13seb41uaijo0c@news.supernews.com:
>>Old folks (like me) tend to bottom post. But newer users tend to
>>top-post.
>
> Quoting the entire thread and adding a few lines is as bad as top
> posting.
I hate bottom posters like that even more than top posters. Interleaved
posting with aggressive trimming is the kind of post I pay attention to. If
one chooses to post in one of the other formats, expect that post to be
ignored.
If one is asking a question and hopes for a reply, one should post in a
format that doesn't waste the time of the people with answers.
It's kind of like those people in Trade channel that are "looking for high
level enchanter". Good luck with that. The high level enchanters I know
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:14 am
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:11:42 -0600, Gumby619 wrote
(in article <9ALxj.23452$H05.13436@newsfe06.phx>):
> "Daniel Seriff" <m.TakeThisOut@y.com> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.C3ECD61B03039A5EF0182668@news-server.austin.rr.com...
>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:37:16 -0600, Gumby619 wrote
>> (in article <7rIxj.14815$kp6.9185@newsfe07.phx>):
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>>> Established convention....To the Nazi's that was exterminating a whole
>>> race.
>>
>> Sure, because if there's anything that's an exact analogy of
>> bottom-posting, it's definitely genocide.
>>
> Thats all you got out of that whole paragraph...must be one of the
> persecuted
I pretty much stop reading once someone makes a direct comparison between
something as trivial as bottom-posting and state-sanctioned murder of
millions of innocent civilians, so if you want people to pay attention to
you, try *not* leading off your comment with a Godwin violation.
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Daniel Seriff
I never worry that all hell will break loose. My concern is that only part of
hell will break loose and be much harder to detect.
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