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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:42 am
Post subject: Top posting to any news group
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It's been mentioned a few times but ignored or possibly not understood.
Please do not "top post". That is, when you reply to a message, you need
to add your thoughts or comments to the end, or the bottom of the
message.
This keeps the flow of the previous messages in the proper order. A new
comer to the thread will see all the messages as they were posted in
time, and the entire message will make the most sense that way.
If a posting gets too long you can delete what you think is verbose,
unnecessary, or simply old, by adding an indication that you edited
someone else's post something like this...
- - Snip - -
And make your comment below that.
In the case where many different points are made, you can put your
comments just after each comment made previously... Hum, yeah, that's
not very clear, but I'm getting tired. Someone help me out.
So:
Respond to personal email, top post.
Respond to a public news group, bottom post.
There is a difference. Thank you.
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Hypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist.
Darkfury, Gnome, Rogue, Miner/Jewel Crafter.
Py, Dwarf, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
Bigpotpie, Tauren, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
Bigpotpie, Tauren, Druid, Herbalist/Alchemist (Nathrezim realm).
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:42 am
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As someone who *usually* bottom posts (but am top posting here just
because): NO.
The author of any post is taking his or her time out to write it.
They are contributing to the discussion. They ought to have the right
to post in whatever manner best suits them. If it bothers you that
much, then don't read it, but I'll not live by a self-appointed post
format police's rules.
Mike
On Feb 28, 9:42 am, twk <t....DeleteThis@sleepless.knights.com> wrote:
> It's been mentioned a few times but ignored or possibly not understood.
>
> Please do not "top post". That is, when you reply to a message, you need
> to add your thoughts or comments to the end, or the bottom of the
> message.
>
> This keeps the flow of the previous messages in the proper order. A new
> comer to the thread will see all the messages as they were posted in
> time, and the entire message will make the most sense that way.
>
> If a posting gets too long you can delete what you think is verbose,
> unnecessary, or simply old, by adding an indication that you edited
> someone else's post something like this...
>
> - - Snip - -
>
> And make your comment below that.
>
> In the case where many different points are made, you can put your
> comments just after each comment made previously... Hum, yeah, that's
> not very clear, but I'm getting tired. Someone help me out.
>
> So:
>
> Respond to personal email, top post.
> Respond to a public news group, bottom post.
>
> There is a difference. Thank you. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:42 am
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On 28 Feb, 15:45, "mbga...@gmail.com" <mbga....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> As someone who *usually* bottom posts (but am top posting here just
> because): NO.
>
> The author of any post is taking his or her time out to write it.
> They are contributing to the discussion. They ought to have the right
> to post in whatever manner best suits them. If it bothers you that
> much, then don't read it, but I'll not live by a self-appointed post
> format police's rules.
>
> Mike
I don't understand why your response was so aggressive. It was a
polite request stating some good reasons why it is better to bottom
post than top post. It wasn't a statement of a set of rules with an
instruction to comply with them (or else).
steve.kaye >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:42 am
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On Feb 28, 10:56 am, "steve.kaye" <nos....TakeThisOut@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
> I don't understand why your response was so aggressive. It was a
> polite request stating some good reasons why it is better to bottom
> post than top post. It wasn't a statement of a set of rules with an
> instruction to comply with them (or else).
>
> steve.kaye
It was aggressive because the same reasons have been toted out before,
for years now (actually decades at this point). Not everyone agrees
with them. Not everyone is going to conform to someone else's view on
something so trivial.
Put it this way: if you'd been hearing over and over for 15 years how
you absolutely must buy American cars instead of imports, the next
person who mentions that little "rule of thumb" is going to get
pounced on. Give it up already.
Mike >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:42 am
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On Feb 28, 4:38 pm, ToolPackinMama <philnbl... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> twk wrote:
> > It's been mentioned a few times but ignored or possibly not understood.
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> > Please do not "top post". That is, when you reply to a message, you need
> > to add your thoughts or comments to the end, or the bottom of the
> > message.
>
> I agree with this message.
Bottom posts are easier to read, but then again this is not a
democracy or a dictatorship. We can each post anyway we see fit. If
someone has an issue with that, there are plenty of moderator forums
out there where rules are enforced. This is Usenet. There are no
rules.
But people should be polite at least  >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:42 am
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On Feb 28, 12:20 pm, Palindrome <damon-no....RemoveThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Mike, it is handy for the visually impaired, like a distant family
> member who has to use text to speech software. It is FAR easier for
> someone like him to follow a post if he gets a neatly snipped post
> laid out with the reply following the original post. Try to think of
> others less fortunate, please.
It still is going to boil down the personal preference. Sighted
people read top posted text first, and blind people would hear it
first. Indeed I'd argue that top posting is likely better for them,
because like most people, they likely have already gone through the
previous post that the reply was to, and so by having the response
first, they would hear that before hearing the original, and then have
the reader move to the next message. OR, if the screen reader is
going to automatically snip out quoted text, then it wouldn't matter
where in the message body it was.
Mike >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:46 am
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On Feb 28, 8:40 am, ToolPackinMama <philnbl....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> mbga....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 28, 10:56 am, "steve.kaye" <nos....RemoveThis@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
> >> I don't understand why your response was so aggressive. It was a
> >> polite request stating some good reasons why it is better to bottom
> >> post than top post. It wasn't a statement of a set of rules with an
> >> instruction to comply with them (or else).
>
> >> steve.kaye
>
>
> > It was aggressive because the same reasons have been toted out before,
> > for years now (actually decades at this point). Not everyone agrees
> > with them.
>
> Not everyone thinks and acts correctly.
I prefer to bottom post but there is a problem in one of my web email
readers where it is almost impossible to bottom post and make the
message legible as the browser seems unable to separate 'added text'
from the original text when bottom posting. You have to manually edit
(separators, '>' characters, etc) to make any sense of it at all, and
even then it can look confusing.
So I top post when respond using that email browser because it is
clearer that way.
Sure, change email browses, yada-yada-yada... but sometimes that ain't
so easy or convenient. >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:17 am
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On Feb 28, 1:03 pm, Palindrome <damon-no....RemoveThis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> So, there's a good reason to NOT top post - it makes visually impaired
> people's lives that bit easier, which is a nice thing, yes? Your
> reason just sounds like "I do it because I want to so get used to it
> and get lost" when it would take so little effort to bottom post. You
> don't post in all caps, which is a polite convention - is one more
> convention going to kill you or ruin your day?
No. If you'll notice, aside from my initial response which I did out
of spite, I bottom post already, because that is my preference. BUT,
I take up this point because I believe it to be within anyone's right
to post however they so choose.
As to your family member claiming it better, again, as I said,
personal preference. As a sighted person, you have expressed a
preference for bottom posting, and he shares that preference. I'd
have trouble believing though that no blind person out there would
prefer top posted formatted posts. In the end, power can and will
post however they prefer.
Mike >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:10 am
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Otay. 
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"twk" <twk.TakeThisOut@sleepless.knights.com> wrote in message
news:twk-B245A5.09425128022008@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu...
> It's been mentioned a few times but ignored or possibly not understood.
>
> Please do not "top post". That is, when you reply to a message, you need
> to add your thoughts or comments to the end, or the bottom of the
> message.
>
> This keeps the flow of the previous messages in the proper order. A new
> comer to the thread will see all the messages as they were posted in
> time, and the entire message will make the most sense that way.
>
> If a posting gets too long you can delete what you think is verbose,
> unnecessary, or simply old, by adding an indication that you edited
> someone else's post something like this...
>
> - - Snip - -
>
> And make your comment below that.
>
> In the case where many different points are made, you can put your
> comments just after each comment made previously... Hum, yeah, that's
> not very clear, but I'm getting tired. Someone help me out.
>
> So:
>
> Respond to personal email, top post.
> Respond to a public news group, bottom post.
>
> There is a difference. Thank you.
>
> --
> Hypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist.
> Darkfury, Gnome, Rogue, Miner/Jewel Crafter.
> Py, Dwarf, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
> Bigpotpie, Tauren, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
> Bigpotpie, Tauren, Druid, Herbalist/Alchemist (Nathrezim realm).
>
> Not the deadliest bunch on Cenarion Circle, but they do well. >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:11 am
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"SpaceGirl" <nothespacegirlspam RemoveThis @subhuman.net> wrote in message
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> On Feb 28, 4:38 pm, ToolPackinMama <philnbl... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>> twk wrote:
>> > It's been mentioned a few times but ignored or possibly not understood.
>>
>> > Please do not "top post". That is, when you reply to a message, you
>> > need
>> > to add your thoughts or comments to the end, or the bottom of the
>> > message.
>>
>> I agree with this message.
>
> Bottom posts are easier to read, but then again this is not a
> democracy or a dictatorship. We can each post anyway we see fit. If
> someone has an issue with that, there are plenty of moderator forums
> out there where rules are enforced. This is Usenet. There are no
> rules.
Well, but there are, though. Just because people aren't aware of them, or
choose to disregard them doesn't mean discussion group netiquette rules
aren't there.
Xymmie
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> But people should be polite at least >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:38 am
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twk wrote:
> It's been mentioned a few times but ignored or possibly not understood.
>
> Please do not "top post". That is, when you reply to a message, you need
> to add your thoughts or comments to the end, or the bottom of the
> message.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:40 am
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mbgaski.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 28, 10:56 am, "steve.kaye" <nos....DeleteThis@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
>> I don't understand why your response was so aggressive. It was a
>> polite request stating some good reasons why it is better to bottom
>> post than top post. It wasn't a statement of a set of rules with an
>> instruction to comply with them (or else).
>>
>> steve.kaye
>
> It was aggressive because the same reasons have been toted out before,
> for years now (actually decades at this point). Not everyone agrees
> with them.
Not everyone thinks and acts correctly. >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:52 pm
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twk <twk RemoveThis @sleepless.knights.com> wrote:
> --
> Hypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist.
> Darkfury, Gnome, Rogue, Miner/Jewel Crafter.
> Py, Dwarf, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
> Bigpotpie, Tauren, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
> Bigpotpie, Tauren, Druid, Herbalist/Alchemist (Nathrezim realm).
>
> Not the deadliest bunch on Cenarion Circle, but they do well.
A signature bigger than 4 lines. And you are commenting on others bad
posting practice.
Or you beleive those old rules from the early internet/usenet days can
adapt to the actual change that occured in the people usages since then.
(I don't really care. And I top-post when I don't trim the quoted text
to the essential.) >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:42 pm
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http://alpage.ath.cx/toppost/toppost.htm
"twk" <twk DeleteThis @sleepless.knights.com> wrote in message
news:twk-B245A5.09425128022008@johnf2.biosci.ohio-state.edu...
> It's been mentioned a few times but ignored or possibly not understood.
>
> Please do not "top post". That is, when you reply to a message, you need
> to add your thoughts or comments to the end, or the bottom of the
> message.
>
> This keeps the flow of the previous messages in the proper order. A new
> comer to the thread will see all the messages as they were posted in
> time, and the entire message will make the most sense that way.
>
> If a posting gets too long you can delete what you think is verbose,
> unnecessary, or simply old, by adding an indication that you edited
> someone else's post something like this...
>
> - - Snip - -
>
> And make your comment below that.
>
> In the case where many different points are made, you can put your
> comments just after each comment made previously... Hum, yeah, that's
> not very clear, but I'm getting tired. Someone help me out.
>
> So:
>
> Respond to personal email, top post.
> Respond to a public news group, bottom post.
>
> There is a difference. Thank you.
>
> --
> Hypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist.
> Darkfury, Gnome, Rogue, Miner/Jewel Crafter.
> Py, Dwarf, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
> Bigpotpie, Tauren, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
> Bigpotpie, Tauren, Druid, Herbalist/Alchemist (Nathrezim realm).
>
> Not the deadliest bunch on Cenarion Circle, but they do well. >> Stay informed about: Top posting to any news group |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:47 pm
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"Xymmie" <xymmie.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "SpaceGirl" <nothespacegirlspam.TakeThisOut@subhuman.net> wrote in message
> news:71cf1ac8-f743-4c33-8fbf-7ce453ff36cd@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 28, 4:38 pm, ToolPackinMama <philnbl....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> Bottom posts are easier to read, but then again this is not a
>> democracy or a dictatorship. We can each post anyway we see fit. If
>> someone has an issue with that, there are plenty of moderator forums
>> out there where rules are enforced. This is Usenet. There are no
>> rules.
>
> Well, but there are, though. Just because people aren't aware of them, or
> choose to disregard them doesn't mean discussion group netiquette rules >
> aren't there.
>
Netiquette 'rules' were simply codifications of standards in use by the
majority.
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