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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:54 am
Post subject: TWD - Fee Stakes Pamplona 26-01-2008
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Report of the final in spanish can be found at
http://dnn.vtes.net/Foros/tabid/403/forumid/36/postid/44145/view/topic...fault.a
Player: Iñaki Jimenez
Name: Ventrue Antitribu Redux
Date: 26-01-2008
Number of Players: 14
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 21, Max: 30, Avg: 6,41)
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1 Charice Fontaigne for pot AUS DOM 6 Ventrue
Antitribu
1 Dylan (ADV) aus cel dai dom pro FOR6
Ventrue Antitribu
1 Marlene dem for tha AUS DOM6 Ventrue
Antitribu
2 Blackhorse Tanner AUS DOM FOR 7 Ventrue
Antitribu
1 Edward Neally aus pre DOM FOR 7 Ventrue
Antitribu
2 Owain Evans cel pre AUS DOM FOR8 Ventrue
Antitribu
1 Vanessa aus pre DOM FOR 6 Ventrue
Antitribu
1 Ingrid Russo for DOM 4 Ventrue
Antitribu
1 Le Dinh Tho aus dom NEC 5 Nagaraja
1 Joseph O`Grady aus cel DOM FOR 7 Ventrue
Antitribu
Library: (70 cards)
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Master (10 cards)
5 Blood Doll
1 Corporate Hunting Ground
1 Pentex Subversion
1 Framing an Ancient Grudge
2 Vessel
Action (17 cards)
9 Govern the Unaligned
5 Scouting Mission
3 Slaughtering the Herd
Action Modifier (14 cards)
6 Bonding
2 Conditioning
3 Daring the Dawn
2 Foreshadowing Destruction
1 Kiss of Ra, The
Reaction (24 cards)
7 Deflection
2 Enhanced Senses
3 Forced Awakening
2 My Enemy`s Enemy
2 Precognition
3 Telepathic Misdirection
5 Wake with Evening`s Freshness
Combat (5 cards)
3 Rolling with the Punches
2 Lessons in the Steel |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:32 am
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:06 pm
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This deck is really simple. It's the deck i use to teach new players
how to play. Take out the biggest vamp you get in uncontrolled no
matter what. It always has to be the biggest as he will take out the
rest of the crypt at a cheap pool price. Govern down, govern down,
scout down and let the rest of the table get low on pool. Deflect some
bleeds and when the prey is tapped out just bleed him out. It doesn't
seem to have enough punch but it kills when needed. Just try it
On Jan 31, 6:32 pm, Kushiel <invisibleking....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 11:54 am, RedVenom <redve....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Report of the final in spanish can be found athttp://dnn.vtes.net/Foros/tabid/403/forumid/36/postid/44145/view/topi...
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> Any chance we can get some comments about how the deck plays, or at
> least how the deck played in this tournament? I'm curious as to how
> this deck works.
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:33 am
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On Jan 31, 4:06 pm, RedVenom <redve....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> This deck is really simple. It's the deck i use to teach new players
> how to play. Take out the biggest vamp you get in uncontrolled no
> matter what. It always has to be the biggest as he will take out the
> rest of the crypt at a cheap pool price. Govern down, govern down,
> scout down and let the rest of the table get low on pool. Deflect some
> bleeds and when the prey is tapped out just bleed him out. It doesn't
> seem to have enough punch but it kills when needed. Just try it
Okay, thanks. In terms of trying it myself, I don't that would work in
my metagame, since "Govern down without stealth" is an action that
frequently gets blocked, and there's no real combat in here to
dissuade anyone from trying to block it. But I can see how that could
work if no one was blocking you - that was the piece of information I
was wondering about.
Thanks for the info, and congratulations on the tournament win! 
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:59 am
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The trick is to get the blockers look to other side thinking another
one is their real trouble. There was a lot of intercept in the
tournament but i only go blocked once while using govern down. If your
prey is the wall just get low on pool and let him think the governs
down are for transfering back
On 1 feb, 09:33, Kushiel <invisibleking....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 4:06 pm, RedVenom <redve....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > This deck is really simple. It's the deck i use to teach new players
> > how to play. Take out the biggest vamp you get in uncontrolled no
> > matter what. It always has to be the biggest as he will take out the
> > rest of the crypt at a cheap pool price. Govern down, govern down,
> > scout down and let the rest of the table get low on pool. Deflect some
> > bleeds and when the prey is tapped out just bleed him out. It doesn't
> > seem to have enough punch but it kills when needed. Just try it
>
> Okay, thanks. In terms of trying it myself, I don't that would work in
> my metagame, since "Govern down without stealth" is an action that
> frequently gets blocked, and there's no real combat in here to
> dissuade anyone from trying to block it. But I can see how that could
> work if no one was blocking you - that was the piece of information I
> was wondering about.
>
> Thanks for the info, and congratulations on the tournament win!
>
> John Eno >> Stay informed about: TWD - Fee Stakes Pamplona 26-01-2008 |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:40 am
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I like the basic elegance of this design, but it would die here in
Ithaca, where maniacs run around pulling off heads and separating
souls from bodies. I presume there was very little combat or mess-
with-vampires tech at the tournament? Or were you able to convince
them you were harmless? The strategy behind this deck is intriguing;
I would be interested in hearing about the final table.
My only question is, why no Seductions?
Cheers,
John
On Feb 1, 4:59 am, RedVenom <redve... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> The trick is to get the blockers look to other side thinking another
> one is their real trouble. There was a lot of intercept in the
> tournament but i only go blocked once while using govern down. If your
> prey is the wall just get low on pool and let him think the governs
> down are for transfering back
>
> On 1 feb, 09:33, Kushiel <invisibleking... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jan 31, 4:06 pm, RedVenom <redve... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > This deck is really simple. It's the deck i use to teach new players
> > > how to play. Take out the biggest vamp you get in uncontrolled no
> > > matter what. It always has to be the biggest as he will take out the
> > > rest of the crypt at a cheap pool price. Govern down, govern down,
> > > scout down and let the rest of the table get low on pool. Deflect some
> > > bleeds and when the prey is tapped out just bleed him out. It doesn't
> > > seem to have enough punch but it kills when needed. Just try it
>
> > Okay, thanks. In terms of trying it myself, I don't that would work in
> > my metagame, since "Govern down without stealth" is an action that
> > frequently gets blocked, and there's no real combat in here to
> > dissuade anyone from trying to block it. But I can see how that could
> > work if no one was blocking you - that was the piece of information I
> > was wondering about.
>
> > Thanks for the info, and congratulations on the tournament win!
>
> > John Eno >> Stay informed about: TWD - Fee Stakes Pamplona 26-01-2008 |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:00 pm
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On Feb 1, 4:59 am, RedVenom <redve... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> The trick is to get the blockers look to other side thinking another
> one is their real trouble. There was a lot of intercept in the
> tournament but i only go blocked once while using govern down.
If you're able to convince a blocky predator that he should allow you
to take a +1 stealth undirected action that gains you pool even though
you've got no combat to deter such a block, more power to you. My
table talk skills aren't nearly that well-developed.
> If your
> prey is the wall just get low on pool and let him think the governs
> down are for transfering back
Like I said, I'm envious that you can pull this kind of thing off...
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:37 pm
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On Feb 1, 5:00 pm, Kushiel <invisibleking... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 4:59 am, RedVenom <redve... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > The trick is to get the blockers look to other side thinking another
> > one is their real trouble. There was a lot of intercept in the
> > tournament but i only go blocked once while using govern down.
>
> If you're able to convince a blocky predator that he should allow you
> to take a +1 stealth undirected action that gains you pool even though
> you've got no combat to deter such a block, more power to you. My
> table talk skills aren't nearly that well-developed.
>
> > If your
> > prey is the wall just get low on pool and let him think the governs
> > down are for transfering back
>
> Like I said, I'm envious that you can pull this kind of thing off...
>
> John Eno
I agree. My wall-y prey rarely lets me do stuff like that more than
once, unless I have a super-aggressive predator, and if i do I am
bouncing bleeds to the wall!
I'm not sure how you convince other players that your Dominate deck is
just going to sit there and "innocently" bloat for most of the game.
Cheers,
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:18 am
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If your metagame is is full of headhunters you can take out bounce and
put more fortitude card in. I've run this deck with 11 fortitude
cards. Superior Mettle for POT metagame and Rolling for CEL. My wall
prey will nearly always let me govern cown to let me live if i don't
bleed him and take pool back to survive. It's all about your
conviction powers
In the final game my prey was another !Ventrue with a samller crypt,
then a Tremere toolbox with lots of bounce, then Malk Bleed Stealth,
then Setites Bloat and me.
I managed to give pool to my predator with Owain and Vessels long
enough to get a hand full of deflections. When he died i deflected to
my prey who deflected backwards, i deflected forwad twice more and
tapped him because of his inferior dom and bled him to dead. The
tremere was a lot harder to take down as he had like 5 minions and 18
pool. With his deflections and my +1 strength guys i managed to take
down 2 of the malks minions as he had to block me. Eventually the
tremere run forward leaving just Carna and Hannigan untaped. Hannigan
was taken by kiss of ra and i let Carna block one of my minions. Then
killed him. The malkavian was easy as i played pentex subversion on
his only ready minion and bleed him out.
On Feb 3, 2:37 am, demonturtle <crankytur....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 5:00 pm, Kushiel <invisibleking....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Feb 1, 4:59 am, RedVenom <redve....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > The trick is to get the blockers look to other side thinking another
> > > one is their real trouble. There was a lot of intercept in the
> > > tournament but i only go blocked once while using govern down.
>
> > If you're able to convince a blocky predator that he should allow you
> > to take a +1 stealth undirected action that gains you pool even though
> > you've got no combat to deter such a block, more power to you. My
> > table talk skills aren't nearly that well-developed.
>
> > > If your
> > > prey is the wall just get low on pool and let him think the governs
> > > down are for transfering back
>
> > Like I said, I'm envious that you can pull this kind of thing off...
>
> > John Eno
>
> I agree. My wall-y prey rarely lets me do stuff like that more than
> once, unless I have a super-aggressive predator, and if i do I am
> bouncing bleeds to the wall!
>
> I'm not sure how you convince other players that your Dominate deck is
> just going to sit there and "innocently" bloat for most of the game.
>
> Cheers,
>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:42 am
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:43 am
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On Feb 4, 4:42 am, coincoinmas....RemoveThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> Inaki is a great player anyway ^^
Just to make myself totally clear: My questions in this thread weren't
in any way meant to disparage the deck or the player who won with it.
I don't argue with results.
I do see a lot of tournament-winning decks get posted here which I
can't imagine winning any games, let alone tournaments. When I see
those, I like to ask about the details of that tournament and the
person playing the deck, to see if the holes in my knowledge can be
filled. No disrespect intended.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:47 pm
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The best way to know how a deck wins is to try it and this is a good
deck to do it as it is mostly made of common cards and the rares can
be replaced easily 
On Feb 5, 8:43 pm, Kushiel <invisibleking....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 4:42 am, coincoinmas....DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
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> > Inaki is a great player anyway ^^
>
> Just to make myself totally clear: My questions in this thread weren't
> in any way meant to disparage the deck or the player who won with it.
> I don't argue with results.
>
> I do see a lot of tournament-winning decks get posted here which I
> can't imagine winning any games, let alone tournaments. When I see
> those, I like to ask about the details of that tournament and the
> person playing the deck, to see if the holes in my knowledge can be
> filled. No disrespect intended.
>
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