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ira212

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Since: Feb 16, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:41 am
Post subject: Strike with Conviction + Flamethrower
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If Travis strikes with a Flamethrower using Strike with Conviction,
does it do 2 agg + 1 normal, or 3 agg?

I'm reasonably sure this has been answered somewhere already, but I
couldn't find it. I searched for:
"strike conviction agg author:LSJ"
"strike conviction aggravated author:LSJ"
"strike conviction modify author:LSJ"
"strike conviction damage author::LSJ"
"strike damage modify author:LSJ"

But I didn't find the answer. Though, I did read an enjoyable thread
from 2001 where James and LSJ went back and forth about 15 times on
the definition of a hand strike. Smile

I think the answer is 2 agg + 1 normal, because of parallel wording on
Dragon's Breath Rounds, and I know that DBR add aggravated damage
without respect to the original damage type.

Also, because I believe this question to already have been answered,
I'd love to know what I should have searched for.

Thanks,
Ira


Strike with Conviction [NoR:C]
Cardtype: Conviction
Burn to make a hand or weapon strike against a monster at +1 damage.
Burn to bleed at +1 bleed as a (D) action.

Dragon's Breath Rounds [Jyhad:U, VTES:U, CE:U/PTo, Third:U]
Cardtype: Combat
Ammo.
Only usable before resolution of a gun's strike. This gun inflicts +2
aggravated damage each strike for the remainder of this combat. Burn
the gun after strike resolution. No more than 1 ammo card can be used
on a gun each combat.

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v.ripoll

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:21 am
Post subject: Re: Strike with Conviction + Flamethrower [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 8 jan, 09:41, "ira...@gmail.com" <ira....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> If Travis strikes with a Flamethrower using Strike with Conviction,
> does it do 2 agg + 1 normal, or 3 agg?
>

If I refer to Stone's work "Art of combat" (a summary of the rules and
RTRs),
1) the "base" damage doesn't inherit from the additionnal damage.
Therefore, the 1 damage of the Saturday Night Special is not
aggravated, even if the 2 additionnal damage from the Dragon Breath
Rounds are aggravated.
2) the additionnal damage does inherit from the base damage.
Therefore, Travis strikes for 3 aggravated damage with a Flame Thrower
+ Strike with Conviction (2 aggravated base damage + 1 aggravated
additionnal damage).

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The Lasombra

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Strike with Conviction + Flamethrower [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 00:41:24 -0800 (PST), "ira212@gmail.com" wrote:

>If Travis strikes with a Flamethrower using Strike with Conviction,
>does it do 2 agg + 1 normal, or 3 agg?

Three agg.

Flamethrower + Target Vitals = 2/4 agg
Flamethrower + Target Vitals + Strike with Conviction = 3/5 agg


>I'm reasonably sure this has been answered somewhere already, but I
>couldn't find it. I searched for:
>"strike conviction agg author:LSJ"
>"strike conviction aggravated author:LSJ"
>"strike conviction modify author:LSJ"
>"strike conviction damage author::LSJ"
>"strike damage modify author:LSJ"

>But I didn't find the answer. Though, I did read an enjoyable thread
>from 2001 where James and LSJ went back and forth about 15 times on
>the definition of a hand strike. Smile

You needed to look for "additional damage".

>Also, because I believe this question to already have been answered,
>I'd love to know what I should have searched for.

Start here:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=rulings

Scroll down to Damage (Combat), and you will find:

Additional damage inherits all of the properties of the base damage
(So the +1 damage from lucky blow is aggravated for Basilia).

Dragon's Breath Rounds is not parallel at all.

See the same section:

The base damage does not inherit the properties of the additional
damage (So a Saturday Night Special with Dragon's Breath Rounds does 1
normal plus 2 aggravated damage).


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Strike with Conviction [NoR:C]
Cardtype: Conviction
Burn to make a hand or weapon strike against a monster at +1 damage.
Burn to bleed at +1 bleed as a (D) action.

Dragon's Breath Rounds [Jyhad:U, VTES:U, CE:U/PTo, Third:U]
Cardtype: Combat
Ammo.
Only usable before resolution of a gun's strike. This gun inflicts +2
aggravated damage each strike for the remainder of this combat. Burn
the gun after strike resolution. No more than 1 ammo card can be used
on a gun each combat.

Target Head [LotN:R]
Cardtype: Combat
Aim. Play when choosing a strike.
The strike does +2 damage. The opposing minion may discard a combat
card [COMBAT] to cancel this card. If any damage from this strike is
successfully inflicted on the opposing minion, he or she cannot use
any additional strikes or presses this round, and you may set the
range for the next round. A minion may play only one aim each strike.
Artist: Imaginary Friends Studios

Target Vitals [LotN:U]
Cardtype: Combat
Aim. Play when choosing a strike.
If any damage from this strike is successfully inflicted on the
opposing minion, he or she takes an additional 2 damage from this
strike, and he or she cannot press this round. The opposing minion may
discard two combat cards [COMBAT] to cancel this card. A minion may
play only one aim each strike.
Artist: Imaginary Friends Studios
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