Strategy NG dying as well

"Jan Hyde (VB MVP)" <StellaDrinker.RemoveThis@REMOVE.ME.uboot.com> wrote in message
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> "Olaf" <olaf.RemoveThis@satx.rr.com>'s wild thoughts were released on
> Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:40:35 -0600 bearing the following fruit:
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>>"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:072ebc14-ae5b-48f5-bfc8-63b6ac0439fa@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> Sports NG is dead, the Strategy NG is dying. (sigh)
>>
>>Well when this NG was created the 'strategic' in its title implied
>>turn-based. That genre is dying, the NG is just following suit.
>>
>
> I don't beleive turn-based will ever die. Sure less games
> are getting produced that are turn based these days but I
> wouldn't be suprised to see a revival.
>
> These are still plenty of us out here looking for good turn
> based games.

No it wont ever die but its definitely way past its glory years and its not
ever going to get back there.
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On Jan 14, 12:50 am, Miss Elaine Eos <M....DeleteThis@your-pants.PlayNaked.com>
wrote:
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>  Jonah Falcon <jonahny....DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> > I think people tend to prefer message boards to usenet boards now.
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Yay! ASCII pics!

Not trolling, just disappointed. I remember this NG way back in
1998-2001. Man, it rocked.
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On Jan 11, 10:40 pm, "Olaf" <o... RemoveThis @satx.rr.com> wrote:
> "Jonah Falcon" <jonahny... RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> news:072ebc14-ae5b-48f5-bfc8-63b6ac0439fa@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
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> > Sports NG is dead, the Strategy NG is dying. (sigh)
>
> Well when this NG was created the 'strategic' in its title implied
> turn-based.  That genre is dying, the NG is just following suit.

Civilization 4, Heroes of Might and Magic 5, Fantasy Wars, Dominions 3
and Galactic Civilizations 2 would beg to differ.
And that is leaving niche/indy efforts out of the equation.

I think that most of the discussions have moved to company (ie title
specific) boards or other gaming webforums.

OTOH the wargaming group (comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.war-historical) which
split off from csipgs is now doing better than its parent!

Regards,

-von Schmidt
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"Jonah Falcon" <jonahnynla.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote
>Yay! ASCII pics!

>Not trolling, just disappointed. I remember this NG way back in
>1998-2001. Man, it rocked.

Ha. You should have been around in '93-4 before csipg was split into all the
subgroups. *That* rocked.

CC
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Jonah Falcon <jonahnynla mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Jan 14, 12:50ÿam, Miss Elaine Eos wrote:
>> Jonah Falcon <jonahny... mindspring.com> wrote:
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>> > I think people tend to prefer message boards to usenet boards now.
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> Yay! ASCII pics!
>
> Not trolling, just disappointed.

Trolling, pouting, whatever.

> I remember this NG way back in 1998-2001. Man, it rocked.

You enjoyed accusations of being a spammer?













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> From: Jonah Falcon <jonahnynla mindspring.com>
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> Subject: Re: Strategy NG dying as well
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"von Schmidt" <von_schmidt.RemoveThis@mail.com> wrote in message
> Civilization 4, Heroes of Might and Magic 5, Fantasy Wars, Dominions 3
> and Galactic Civilizations 2 would beg to differ.
> And that is leaving niche/indy efforts out of the equation.

That is like 2 A-list titles a year, if that? You think that is thriving?

Turn-based is a dirty word in the PC games industry.
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:37:41 -0800 (PST), Jonah Falcon
<jonahnynla DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:

>Sports NG is dead, the Strategy NG is dying. (sigh)

PC gaming is what's dying. Consoles are where it's at now. I even
broke down and bought one myself.
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On Jan 17, 1:21 am, "Olaf" <o... DeleteThis @satx.rr.com> wrote:
> "von Schmidt" <von_schm... DeleteThis @mail.com> wrote in message
> > Civilization 4, Heroes of Might and Magic 5, Fantasy Wars, Dominions 3
> > and Galactic Civilizations 2 would beg to differ.
> > And that is leaving niche/indy efforts out of the equation.
>
> That is like 2 A-list titles a year, if that?  You think that is thriving?
>
> Turn-based is a dirty word in the PC games industry.

Two big budget (just from the top of my head, mind you) titles plus a
host of niche/indy (ie mid and low budget) games means TBS is hardly
dead and buried.
Just looking at the historical wargames gives me *at least* a dozen
titles over 2007.

The genre is not thriving in the way that it used to do in the late
90s and which FPS and RTS are doing now, but it is doing quite well in
a subdued (non triple A) way.

Regards,

-von Schmidt
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"Tim Hall" <whocares.DeleteThis@whoknows.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:37:41 -0800 (PST), Jonah Falcon
> <jonahnynla.DeleteThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Sports NG is dead, the Strategy NG is dying. (sigh)
>
> PC gaming is what's dying. Consoles are where it's at now. I even
> broke down and bought one myself.

Well stay out of this group then.
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:34:34 -0800, Tim Hall wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:37:41 -0800 (PST), Jonah Falcon
> <jonahnynla RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Sports NG is dead, the Strategy NG is dying. (sigh)
>
> PC gaming is what's dying. Consoles are where it's at now. I even
> broke down and bought one myself.

Bah. People have been saying that for years. It may be true that the
big honkin' budget titles are more and more moving to consoles (I'd
have to see some data before I believed it, though), but as the
budgets for A-list titles continue to grow (tens of millions of
dollars per title *before* advertising), smaller independent studios
will still be able to make games for PC. Remember: PC games don't
have to be approved by a console company before being published.

Despite the hype, no console looks better than a gaming PC made in the
same year, and they rapidly fall behind. At the very least, that
means that the best FPS games will always be on PC, and good strategy
games will never work on a gamepad. Not to mention how sucky gamepads
are for FPS games.

--
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
Promote someone else.
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"Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller" <thisisf DeleteThis @lse.co.ck> wrote:
> "Tim Hall" <whocares DeleteThis @whoknows.com> wrote in message
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:37:41 -0800 (PST), Jonah Falcon

>>>Sports NG is dead, the Strategy NG is dying. (sigh)
>>
>> PC gaming is what's dying. Consoles are where it's at now. I even
>> broke down and bought one myself.
>
> Well stay out of this group then.

He broke down again...
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In message
<28846d9d-fb85-472e-8f29-0901207d6901.DeleteThis@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, von
Schmidt <von_schmidt.DeleteThis@mail.com> writes
>On Jan 17, 1:21 am, "Olaf" <o....DeleteThis@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>> "von Schmidt" <von_schm....DeleteThis@mail.com> wrote in message
>> > Civilization 4, Heroes of Might and Magic 5, Fantasy Wars, Dominions 3
>> > and Galactic Civilizations 2 would beg to differ.
>> > And that is leaving niche/indy efforts out of the equation.
>>
>> That is like 2 A-list titles a year, if that?  You think that is thriving?
>>
>> Turn-based is a dirty word in the PC games industry.
>
>Two big budget (just from the top of my head, mind you) titles plus a
>host of niche/indy (ie mid and low budget) games means TBS is hardly
>dead and buried.
>Just looking at the historical wargames gives me *at least* a dozen
>titles over 2007.
>
>The genre is not thriving in the way that it used to do in the late
>90s and which FPS and RTS are doing now, but it is doing quite well in
>a subdued (non triple A) way.
>
>Regards,
>
>-von Schmidt
Civ 4 came out before Christmas 2005, didn't it?
--
John Secker
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"Tim Hall" <whocares DeleteThis @whoknows.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:37:41 -0800 (PST), Jonah Falcon
> <jonahnynla DeleteThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Sports NG is dead, the Strategy NG is dying. (sigh)
>
> PC gaming is what's dying. Consoles are where it's at now. I even
> broke down and bought one myself.

When you do not take into account MMOs (WoW), then yeah. Otherwise, no. PC
gaming is kicking ass.
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