Stone of Earth Elementals

How786 wrote:
> The item for sale was one that summoned Earth Elementals to battle with you
> as allies. It's cost was 750.
> I think it said that you might have to use it a few times before it worked.
> It was not a digging tool. I will recheck the listing.

Oh, but it is a digging tool You see, this thingy creates an earth
elemental out of the rock -- thereby digging out one rock square
But, like Erik said, most likely it is not worth 750 gold coins.

> Thanks for the advice about the Mines and Lair. I believe I did most of
> the mines. I left them because I was running low on food and never
> seemed to find food there. :<
> I don't remember coming across the Lair. Hmmmmm...........
> Right now I'm low on food. I sure wish shops sold food or I had a 'create
> food' spell. It's annoying to have to worry about a starvation death.
> That would be most frustrating.

Hmm... It seems to me you are not butchering corpses ('D' command, you
must have sharp implement wielded [or at least in inventory if you're
using Darshan's patch and have set the right option]). After you've
butchered corpse, you can eat those chunks.. Beware, for some are
poisonous or worse (you need to learn which types do what). Those that
give you "Sick" are not that bad... typically you have to eat them
anyway to survice (such chunks have at least 2/3 chance to be clean,
depends on race, for many it's much better than 2/3).
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How786 wrote:
> > Hmm... It seems to me you are not butchering corpses ('D' command, you
> > must have sharp implement wielded [or at least in inventory if you're
> > using Darshan's patch and have set the right option]). After you've
> > butchered corpse, you can eat those chunks.. Beware, for some are
> > poisonous or worse (you need to learn which types do what). Those that
> > give you "Sick" are not that bad... typically you have to eat them
> > anyway to survice (such chunks have at least 2/3 chance to be clean,
> > depends on race, for many it's much better than 2/3).
>
> You are correct. I've not been butchering corpses. I was told that my god,
> Sif Muna, didn't
> need offerings like that...just lots of casting. I've already gotten one
> spell book as a reward from Sif.
> I'd not thought of eating corpses. Yuck!
> Any tips as to which work best as food vs. poisoning me?
> (I do have a cure poison spell, btw)

Well, the official way is to experiment and to learn If you are not
feeling up to that, you could read some spoilers. But usually it all
makes sense -- common animals are 100% safe to eat, typical humanoids
will be "tainted" (have chance for making you "Sick"), and certain
highly poisonous animals or otherwise will leave poisoned corpses, and
certain really nasty things (which you won't see for a while probably)
can leave corpses that will have even nastier effects.

If you have a source of poison resistance, then all poisoned corpses
will count as clean (no chance to get Sick and no poisoning).

Your spell will be good for curing yourself if you eat a poisoned
corpse. You don't get nutritional value from such corpses though --
unless you have poison resistance.
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"Erik Piper" <erik DeleteThis @sky.cz> wrote in message
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> How786 wrote:
>> I have a Deep Elf Wizard up to level 12. He is on level 14 or so of the
>> dungeon. There is a Rod of Destruction for sale in the Vault area.
>> It will take just about all of my cash to buy it.
>>
>> I'm new to the game and wondering if it is worth the 750 coins.
>
> 1. Bumming around in the Vault when you're level 12 is pointlessly
> risky; you have by this point already passed the entrances to the Mines
> and the Lair, which are less risky.
>
> 2. If you really meant "stone of earth elementals" in the title, the
> answer is no, because they're only really good as a slow but
> strategically sufficient means of digging, and learning Dig and getting
> it to a decent level is pretty easy for a magic-using Deep Elf. Unless
> you're using a lot of earth magic, in which case you'll also get tame
> earth elementals to hang out with you for a while... still not worth
> buying, though.
>
> 3. If you really meant "rod of destruction" in the body, the answer is
> "no, unless you're playing a version where you're shown the rod of
> destruction's subtype in advance, and its specialty is different from
> yours, in which case the answer is maybe."
>

OK...this was my bad Erik. I apologize. The lesson for me is not to post
late at night when I'm thoroughly engrossed in the game.
The item in question for sale was NOT a Rod of Destruction. I found a ROD.
My bad in the posting. Bleary eyes.
The item for sale was one that summoned Earth Elementals to battle with you
as allies. It's cost was 750.
I think it said that you might have to use it a few times before it worked.
It was not a digging tool. I will recheck the listing.

Thanks for the advice about the Mines and Lair. I believe I did most of
the mines. I left them because I was running low on food and never
seemed to find food there. :<
I don't remember coming across the Lair. Hmmmmm...........
Right now I'm low on food. I sure wish shops sold food or I had a 'create
food' spell. It's annoying to have to worry about a starvation death.
That would be most frustrating.

Thanks for your help Erik.
Howie
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> Hmm... It seems to me you are not butchering corpses ('D' command, you
> must have sharp implement wielded [or at least in inventory if you're
> using Darshan's patch and have set the right option]). After you've
> butchered corpse, you can eat those chunks.. Beware, for some are
> poisonous or worse (you need to learn which types do what). Those that
> give you "Sick" are not that bad... typically you have to eat them
> anyway to survice (such chunks have at least 2/3 chance to be clean,
> depends on race, for many it's much better than 2/3).
>

You are correct. I've not been butchering corpses. I was told that my god,
Sif Muna, didn't
need offerings like that...just lots of casting. I've already gotten one
spell book as a reward from Sif.
I'd not thought of eating corpses. Yuck!
Any tips as to which work best as food vs. poisoning me?
(I do have a cure poison spell, btw)
Thanks for your help
Howie
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, How786 wrote:

>
> "Erik Piper" <erik.TakeThisOut@sky.cz> wrote in message
> >
> > 2. If you really meant "stone of earth elementals" in the title, the
> > answer is no, because they're only really good as a slow but
> > strategically sufficient means of digging, and learning Dig and getting
> > it to a decent level is pretty easy for a magic-using Deep Elf. Unless
> > you're using a lot of earth magic, in which case you'll also get tame
> > earth elementals to hang out with you for a while... still not worth
> > buying, though.

> The item for sale was one that summoned Earth Elementals to battle with you
> as allies. It's cost was 750.
> I think it said that you might have to use it a few times before it worked.
> It was not a digging tool. I will recheck the listing.
>

Yes, that's a Stone of Earth Elementals. Technically, its purpose is to
summon earth elementals, like it says.
Practically, if your skill at Earth magic is low, it tends to just remove
adjacent rock, and not help much with the Elementals themselves. Hence,
it's more of a digging tool, in the hands of a non-Earth elementalist.
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>
> Yes, that's a Stone of Earth Elementals. Technically, its purpose is to
> summon earth elementals, like it says.
> Practically, if your skill at Earth magic is low, it tends to just remove
> adjacent rock, and not help much with the Elementals themselves. Hence,
> it's more of a digging tool, in the hands of a non-Earth elementalist.

Thanks for the clarification. What skill level is needed for it to work?
(Ah, SO much to learn in this game)
Howie
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How786 wrote:
> Solf wrote:

[wasn't eating corpses]

Not only should you be eating corpses, you should REALLY REALLY be
eating corpses. Err, in Crawl, not in real life. I mean, nothing except
select species, butchered and processed by a professional. Anyway...

Really, I'm surprised you've gotten so far without using any non-chunk
food. "Permanent" food (non-chunk food; chunks are non-permanent since
they rot away) should be your last resort, not the first thing you eat.

As for what's what, not much to add to Solf's statement except to be a
little less optimistic about the rarest two kinds of chunks.

Chunks from necrophages and any other small n's that may happen to
leave chunks (ghouls might) are top-to-bottom, round-and-round just
plain bad, unless you're a ghoul yourself. Don't touch 'em. They'll rot
your teeth.

These chunks don't satiate you.

Mutagenic chunks usually mutate you when eaten. If they're rotten, the
mutations simply will be bad (there might be a small chance of a good
one, a neutral one, or a removal, but I wouldn't bet my life on it). If
they're not rotten, it's a random mutation. Some people like that
despite the risk that "random" will mean "bad" this time. Most people,
I'd say, don't. (I'm in the former group. I'm also play a little too
riskily for my own good, perhaps.) Many people may switch to the other
group if circumstances speak in favor of it (e.g. if a a large reserve
of cure mutation is available, the hope of a good mutation is now worth
the risk of a bad mutation in the eyes of some players.)

The mutagenic chunks you'll encounter most, I think, are those from
several of the G's (just pretend it's all of them), very ugly things,
guardian nagas, and all shapeshifters.

These chunks don't satiate you either.

e.
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Erik Piper wrote:
> [...]
> The mutagenic chunks you'll encounter most, I think, are those from
> several of the G's (just pretend it's all of them), very ugly things,
> guardian nagas, and all shapeshifters.
>
> These chunks don't satiate you either.

Just for completeness sake: neither do poisonous chunks *if* you're not
poison resistant (or satiation is so small it's negligible). With
Res_poison these chunks will satiate you very well.

R.
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Thanks for these details Erik.
Really appreciated.
Howie

"Erik Piper" <erik RemoveThis @sky.cz> wrote in message
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> How786 wrote:
>> Solf wrote:
>
> [wasn't eating corpses]
>
> Not only should you be eating corpses, you should REALLY REALLY be
> eating corpses. Err, in Crawl, not in real life. I mean, nothing except
> select species, butchered and processed by a professional. Anyway...
>
> Really, I'm surprised you've gotten so far without using any non-chunk
> food. "Permanent" food (non-chunk food; chunks are non-permanent since
> they rot away) should be your last resort, not the first thing you eat.
>
> As for what's what, not much to add to Solf's statement except to be a
> little less optimistic about the rarest two kinds of chunks.
>
> Chunks from necrophages and any other small n's that may happen to
> leave chunks (ghouls might) are top-to-bottom, round-and-round just
> plain bad, unless you're a ghoul yourself. Don't touch 'em. They'll rot
> your teeth.
>
> These chunks don't satiate you.
>
> Mutagenic chunks usually mutate you when eaten. If they're rotten, the
> mutations simply will be bad (there might be a small chance of a good
> one, a neutral one, or a removal, but I wouldn't bet my life on it). If
> they're not rotten, it's a random mutation. Some people like that
> despite the risk that "random" will mean "bad" this time. Most people,
> I'd say, don't. (I'm in the former group. I'm also play a little too
> riskily for my own good, perhaps.) Many people may switch to the other
> group if circumstances speak in favor of it (e.g. if a a large reserve
> of cure mutation is available, the hope of a good mutation is now worth
> the risk of a bad mutation in the eyes of some players.)
>
> The mutagenic chunks you'll encounter most, I think, are those from
> several of the G's (just pretend it's all of them), very ugly things,
> guardian nagas, and all shapeshifters.
>
> These chunks don't satiate you either.
>
> e.
>
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