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ClearMuse

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 6:24 am
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Hi. I'm playing in my first game as the Borg (and I've only played
about 70 turns of VGAP at all). I'm trying to figure out if it's
worthwhile or even helpful to build a VERY early second starbase.

It's turn 1. Homeworlds started with $15,000 (pretty important);
30,000 clans.

One of my four starting planets (all within range of my homeworld) is
a Humanoid Participatory with 80,000 clans(so there's some money
there). The planet has decent but not top notch minerals, all
densities are at least 32%:

1100 N
500 T
2400 D
400 M

The planet will be assimilated on turn 7. I could definitely build a
starbase here if I pumped out an LDSF from my homeworld around turn
4-5, taking advantage of the Humanoids for the tech 10 hulls.

Is that even a good idea? The starbases would be right on top of each
other, less than 81LY. But I'd be able to produce probes, at least,
from both my homeworld and this new world from a very early stage. I
could even build a turn 1 LDSF, move it turn 2, construct the starbase
on turn 3, and be pumping out two probes a turn starting on turn 4.

But it seems likely I'd end up with mineral issues (possibly including
fuel issues) later trying to supply both starbases (probably each
would get to create 7-10 probes before I had to think about it real
hard, depending on whether or not I sidetrack for any other ships),
and I'd have to sink a lot of money into the new starbase for Engine
technology if nothing else. On the other hand, it's $4500 closer to
making Annihilations. (I'd be putting money into the homeworld base
just to get level 6 hulls for the LDSF, but that lets me make
Fireclouds someday also, so it doesn't seem like a bad thing.)

I am playing with complete strangers. I have no idea how to predict
what this might do with respect to diplomacy. Smile

Thoughts? I really don't know if it's mostly just awesome to get a
second starbase up that early, or totally ridiculous to build my
second starbase within 81LY of my first one, or if this could really
go either way and is at least an interesting gambit to try in my first
Borg game. Smile

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:03 am
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Also, does this work:

I HYP to a new planet. I drop down one clan, one supply. That same
turn I set my mission to Beam Up Neutronium, and HYP out to another
planet.

That all works, right? I don't need to stop at the planet for any
length of time, it's OK to just "pass through"?

Thanks to anyone, everyone!

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:56 pm
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Build it and the tax them like a Democrat!

Also, once the war starts, you may not be able to get any ships needing
repaired back to your HW, so a stop shop is useful anywhere, as are
hardended defence points
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 4:56 pm
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"Jack" <ClearMuse DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179424991.079558.181980@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Also, does this work:
>
> I HYP to a new planet. I drop down one clan, one supply. That same
> turn I set my mission to Beam Up Neutronium, and HYP out to another
> planet.
>
> That all works, right? I don't need to stop at the planet for any
> length of time, it's OK to just "pass through"?
>
> Thanks to anyone, everyone!

Yes, that works fine
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Ingo von Borstel

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:37 am
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Hi,

> worthwhile or even helpful to build a VERY early second starbase.

Even though it all depends upon the detailed circumstances (that is in
this context other planets), it is definitely worth more than one
thought. The big adavantage it will give you is that you can churn out
two ships instead of one very early on. Even if you don't yank up all
the other tech levels, it would allow you to build freighters, Merlins
and Neutronic refineries without boost in any tech - even though those
ships might not be able to fly on their own power. But given your Borg
economic advantage, you should be very quickly be able build also decent
engines there. They you have a freighter and probe factory. Build
freighters, if plenty of resources are available, build probes, if only
few. As you haven't build up tech on your HW, it is indeed worth
considering to build your Biocides (they are the best ships in the
universe - Annihilations are far worse) on this humanoid planet instead
of your HW.

Regards,
Ingo
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Ogie Ogilthorpe

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 9:32 am
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On May 17, 11:37 pm, Ingo von Borstel <newsgro....RemoveThis@planetmaker.de>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > worthwhile or even helpful to build a VERY early second starbase.
>

Really it depends on the race you're playing whether its worthwhile to
build a very early SB - say around Turn 5. The tradeoff is the
minerals you spend on that SB would get you 1 extra Hull Tech 10 ship
or perhaps several medium tech ships at your HW before shiplimit which
is a very big deal. So you have to look at what you'll gain vs the
loss of those ships. This close to your HW in almost all cases you'll
only be able to build extremely cheap low tech ships each turn to
avoid completely exhausting your resources before ship limit hits and
having to miss builds. The 2 races that I think its critical to
build that 2nd SB very early is the Borg ( HYP ships for
assimilation ) and Lizards ( Hissers ). Fascists aren't far behind as
they need as many cheap poppers as possible. The rest of the races
vary in how advantageous it is but the benefit-to-cost ratio isn't as
nearly big as with those 3 races IMO.


Doug
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:08 pm
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Thanks for the replies, everyone. It sounds like building the second
base as soon as possible is the right way to go, or at least not
outright terrible and good enough to try it!
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