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Mattinglyfan

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:30 am
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http://ps3.ign.com/articles/722/722923p1.html

Probably not what the fanboys were looking for. They bring up every point
that we discuss in these groups but they sure don't arrive at the same
conclusion.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:30 am
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Mattinglyfan wrote:
> http://ps3.ign.com/articles/722/722923p1.html
>
> Probably not what the fanboys were looking for. They bring up every point
> that we discuss in these groups but they sure don't arrive at the same
> conclusion.

I think Sony is putting all its eggs in one basket with the whole
Blu-Ray thing... I like what this guy said:

"Jeff Haynes: I think Chris has a point though: if Blu-Ray is really
going to take off, they better do it right. If Sony stays with their
plan of recycling the same stale movies (We don't give a damn about
Resident Evil Apocalypse, Hitch and A Knight's Tale, Sony!), the format
is as good as lost."

- Jordan

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:30 am
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Mattinglyfan wrote:
> http://ps3.ign.com/articles/722/722923p1.html
>
> Probably not what the fanboys were looking for. They bring up every point
> that we discuss in these groups but they sure don't arrive at the same
> conclusion.

I finished reading the article and I think they're really, seriously,
underestimating Nintendo. One guy was close in his conclusion giving
25% of the market to Nintendo and splitting the other 75% between Sony
and Microsoft, except that I think it's going to be Sony on the 25% end
and the real fight being between Microsoft and Nintendo.

- Jordan
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:37 am
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Jordan wrote:
>
> I think Sony is putting all its eggs in one basket with the whole
> Blu-Ray thing...

The PS3's main flaw is simply being ahead of its time. If a large
majority of buyers had an HDTV, and blu-ray was a mature format like
DVD, the $600 price would be justified.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:41 am
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Tom wrote:
> Jordan wrote:
> >
> > I think Sony is putting all its eggs in one basket with the whole
> > Blu-Ray thing...
>
> The PS3's main flaw is simply being ahead of its time. If a large
> majority of buyers had an HDTV, and blu-ray was a mature format like
> DVD, the $600 price would be justified.

Uh, no. If Blu-Ray was a mature format similar to DVD, then a $600
price tag would be too much. Do you know any DVD players that are $600
now?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:58 am
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"Robert P Holley" <holleyrp RemoveThis @delanet.com> wrote in message
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>
> Tom wrote:
>> Jordan wrote:
>> >
>> > I think Sony is putting all its eggs in one basket with the whole
>> > Blu-Ray thing...
>>
>> The PS3's main flaw is simply being ahead of its time. If a large
>> majority of buyers had an HDTV, and blu-ray was a mature format like
>> DVD, the $600 price would be justified.
>
> Uh, no. If Blu-Ray was a mature format similar to DVD, then a $600
> price tag would be too much. Do you know any DVD players that are $600
> now?
>
>
there are plenty of dvd players >$600. ever heard of Denon?

+ you don't get a game console, browser, or wireless network with it.

$600 is a bargain for all of that functionality IF Blu-Ray can start
delivering on its promise of HD looking movies. the current crop look no
better than standard dvds upscaled.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:34 pm
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"Robert P Holley" <holleyrp.RemoveThis@delanet.com> wrote in message
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> Tom wrote:
>> Jordan wrote:
>> >
>> > I think Sony is putting all its eggs in one basket with the whole
>> > Blu-Ray thing...
>>
>> The PS3's main flaw is simply being ahead of its time. If a large
>> majority of buyers had an HDTV, and blu-ray was a mature format like
>> DVD, the $600 price would be justified.
>
> Uh, no. If Blu-Ray was a mature format similar to DVD, then a $600
> price tag would be too much. Do you know any DVD players that are $600
> now?
>

LOL, you beat me to that one.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:35 pm
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"Jordan" <lundj DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Mattinglyfan wrote:
>> http://ps3.ign.com/articles/722/722923p1.html
>>
>> Probably not what the fanboys were looking for. They bring up every
>> point
>> that we discuss in these groups but they sure don't arrive at the same
>> conclusion.
>
> I finished reading the article and I think they're really, seriously,
> underestimating Nintendo. One guy was close in his conclusion giving
> 25% of the market to Nintendo and splitting the other 75% between Sony
> and Microsoft, except that I think it's going to be Sony on the 25% end
> and the real fight being between Microsoft and Nintendo.
>
> - Jordan
>

One guy has Sony and Nintendo battling it out for the top so they all have
different views.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:37 pm
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Robert P Holley wrote:

> Uh, no. If Blu-Ray was a mature format similar to DVD, then a $600
> price tag would be too much. Do you know any DVD players that are $600
> now?

No, I don't know any DVD players that are $600, they cost more like
$70. However, what that means is that @ $400, the 360 is really more
overpriced than the PS3. When you consider the fact that the cost of
blu-ray technology in the PS3 is estimated to cost Sony $350 per
console, then the PS3 is actually a bargain @ $600. However, my point
was, it's not really a bargain in the eyes of consumers because you are
still paying more, whether it be $50 or $200 more, for a technology
that hasn't proven itself yet.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:25 pm
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"Mattinglyfan" <nospam.DeleteThis@bigmommashouse.com> wrote in message
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> http://ps3.ign.com/articles/722/722923p1.html
>
> Probably not what the fanboys were looking for. They bring up every point
> that we discuss in these groups but they sure don't arrive at the same
> conclusion.
>

I feel the same way they do. I think in the end Sony will still pull it off.

Good read btw.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:55 pm
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"Mattinglyfan" <nospam.DeleteThis@bigmommashouse.com> wrote in message
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> http://ps3.ign.com/articles/722/722923p1.html
>
> Probably not what the fanboys were looking for. They bring up every point
> that we discuss in these groups but they sure don't arrive at the same
> conclusion.

The thing is, they kinda overlook that the 360 has largely flopped so far.
According to the NPD data, it's about on par with the Gamecube's launch,
doing much worse than the PS2 or original Xbox.

http://www.videogamecharts.com/page3.html

Sony might still be in trouble, but right now, they have to be pretty happy
that MS pretty much fumbled the 360 launch.

And I don't recall them saying much about the even worse performance in
Japan. Japan might not be as huge a market for sales as it was, but it's
still a huge market for developers.

Yeah, they seemed to have embraced the 360 more than the original Xbox, but
most of the big companies seem to prefer the PS3
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:16 am
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> I finished reading the article and I think they're really, seriously,
> underestimating Nintendo. One guy was close in his conclusion giving
> 25% of the market to Nintendo and splitting the other 75% between Sony
> and Microsoft, except that I think it's going to be Sony on the 25% end
> and the real fight being between Microsoft and Nintendo.

I just finished reading the article as well. Here's why I don't think
they're underestimating Nintendo at all, and why I still think there's a
large chance Nintendo will screw this up and end up third (again). Nintendo
as a company IMO still shows no signs they know this isn't 1990 still when
it comes to games. They don't have a non-kiddie action/shooter game that
will entice people like Halo or GTA (for the PS2), they've got a lot of kids
games and party games that come out of their first party development shop. A
system cannot compete for 2nd place on 50 different games where Mario makes
an appearance. I do think the Wii will have better third party support than
the GC ever did. However, that may not be as much of a bump as some think it
will be. According to all the screen shots I've seen, the Wii will be the
least graphically impressive of the three, and of course won't support HDTV.
If somebody sees, for example, MOH: Airborne on the PS3, 360 and Wii, the
fact that the graphics do not look nearly as impressive for the Wii as they
do for the 360 and PS3 isn't going to help Wii sales. The controller will
sell consoles initially, but if Nintendo keeps relying on games that are
more 1990 than 2006, the "cool" factor of the controller will wear off
quickly. Ultimately, as with all systems, it's about the games. I really
think Nintendo is underestimating how consumers will feel about a console
when they see it graphically doesn't have the presentation of a 360 or PS3.
IMO they're going to think the Wii is inferior regardless of the fact it
gives you a new way to control the game. When they see a game available on
multiple consoles, they'll generally go with the one that looks the best.

The ability to download old titles is the reason I will get a Wii
because it's not that expensive. However, I don't know how long even that
can keep people interested, particularly if some suddenly find that jones
they've had for Mario just doesn't live up to the real experience of playing
it again on a console. Just to give an example, I loved the TV show Alf back
in the day. When it came on TV again recently in re-runs I watched it for 2
episodes and thought, "Just what the hell did I like about this show?"
Tastes change as people age and sometimes we think the retro experience will
be better than it ends up being. Also, they're eventually going to run out
of titles to offer and there won't be anything "new" from the vault to offer
people so it'll come back to what games they've got to offer that are really
new. I'll get a Wii to play Mario and the rest (they better damn well offer
Duck Hunt, a light gun accessory..and include a new ability to shoot the
damn dog, lol) but without games that are in genre's I like (another load of
RPGs for the Wii isn't going to entice me) the Wii will end up sitting and
gathering dust while I play my 360. That is another area where I don't think
Nintendo gets it either and it holds them back. Except for Oblivion just how
many RPGs sell as well in the United States as action/shooter games?
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:24 pm
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True. Just think, if you do not have HDTV (which most ppl don't have)
and don't plan on buying one, then in essence you are paying $500 (or
$600) just for a game console, which is inconceivable.

Doug Jacobs wrote:
> I agree that the PS3 is a bit ahead of its time. Between the confusion
> about the new formats, the expensive components in the PS3 (Cell, Blu-Ray
> drive), and the relatively small percentage of consumers with a HDTV, if
> Sony could have waited even just one year, I think the PS3 would be much
> better off.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:41 pm
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TheGame wrote:
> True. Just think, if you do not have HDTV (which most ppl don't have)
> and don't plan on buying one, then in essence you are paying $500 (or
> $600) just for a game console, which is inconceivable.
>
It's a hard time to sell an expensive console designed for HDTV. We
are in a transition period of people buying new, expensive HDTV's.
Those that don't have an HDTV yet (estimated to be 75 percent) won't
want to spend $500+ on something they can't fully utilize, and those
households that do have HDTV probably just bought it within the last
year or two which means they may not have much disposible income left
to spend on an expensive console.
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"TheGame" <n0n0n0n0n0.RemoveThis@excite.com> wrote in message
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> True. Just think, if you do not have HDTV (which most ppl don't have)
> and don't plan on buying one, then in essence you are paying $500 (or
> $600) just for a game console, which is inconceivable.
>

The Neo Geo and friends called from the 80's and they are wondering how old
you are.

> Doug Jacobs wrote:
>> I agree that the PS3 is a bit ahead of its time. Between the confusion
>> about the new formats, the expensive components in the PS3 (Cell, Blu-Ray
>> drive), and the relatively small percentage of consumers with a HDTV, if
>> Sony could have waited even just one year, I think the PS3 would be much
>> better off.
>
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